Just so you guys know what to expect when you get to high elo....

Sharpe·Dec 30, 2015·1 votes·808 views

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Pretty self explanatory. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

24 Comments

SpecterVonBarenDec 30, 20152 votes

I don't get it.

IonianDec 30, 20151 votes

Diamond 1 and Ahri players still build item 3285 ?

LOLOL all hope is lost

Void NargacugaDec 30, 20151 votes

Is it not such a good item on her or something (or sarcasm)? Somewhat serious question since I have Ahri and would like to get better at her. Thought it would be a good idea to ask a player with Ahri in their summoner name. XD

IonianDec 30, 20152 votes

Short answer: terrible item.

Long answer: dcap gives more waveclear and burst; lich bane gives more sustained damage, burst and still some roam potential; rylais gives 100x more utility. Buy ludens and you will be a glass cannon that falls off hard. Buy rylais and you still have assassin-tier damage while also applying more cc than nautilus.

disregardableDec 30, 20151 votes

Then why is it core in plat+ ahris' builds?

IonianDec 30, 20152 votes

Because they're plats, lmao

edit for a more serious answer: everyone who has like 5 ahri games is like "muh epik assassin play$ i must carry 1v9 every game and delete adc!!" and thus ahri has an average 53% winrate (which is extremely good, but mostly due to her being easy and safe). meanwhile in comparison, the rylais build i usually do got me 63% winrate out of 150 games (lost many with ludens on this account when i was a complete noob) and 70% out of 100 on my plat 3 smurf. people seem to forget it's a team game and they just go full damage and proceed to feed. the average ahri kda is also like 2.8 (?), if you go zhonyas+rylais instead of wasting 3k gold you have around the same damage but also so much cc to peel for your adc and you're so HARD to kill. it's honestly so hard to kill an ahri with this build that i'm complete trash and my average kda is still 6.

Void NargacugaDec 30, 20151 votes

The "More CC than Nautilus" part made me laugh. XD Thanks for the info!

macromiteDec 30, 20151 votes

you dont get deathcap, you get ludens.

IonianDec 30, 20151 votes

And that's why you're bronze.

macromiteDec 30, 20151 votes

do you even know why you don't get deathcap?

IonianDec 30, 20151 votes

I do know why you do get deathcap, and I have already explained the multitude of reasons why. Do you even know the basics about this game, lmao.

macromiteDec 30, 20151 votes

you don't build deathcap because it only gives you damage. you should already have enough damage to kill a squish without it, and champions that build it are going for squishy targets. you get luden's because it gives movespeed and ability power, the echo passive is really just a bonus. yeah deathcap gives more burst, but it doesn't give any utility at all, and if you already have he ability to kill a squish easy, more burst isn't helpful.

IonianDec 30, 20152 votes

But you don't unless fed. And if fed, why not go for dcap to snowball even harder? You're overrating the movespeed so much like it's an incredible must-have stat on Ahri. I get literally 0 movespeed outside of tier 2 boots yet I perform extremely well almost every game I play. And I'll quote myself here:

everyone who has like 5 ahri games is like "muh epik assassin play$ i must carry 1v9 every game and delete adc!!" and thus ahri has an average 53% winrate (which is extremely good, but mostly due to her being easy and safe). meanwhile in comparison, the rylais build i usually do got me 63% winrate out of 150 games (lost many with ludens on this account when i was a complete noob) and 70% out of 100 on my plat 3 smurf. people seem to forget it's a team game and they just go full damage and proceed to feed. the average ahri kda is also like 2.8 (?), if you go zhonyas+rylais instead of wasting 3k gold you have around the same damage but also so much cc to peel for your adc and you're so HARD to kill. it's honestly so hard to kill an ahri with this build that i'm complete trash and my average kda is still 6.

macromiteDec 30, 20151 votes

You named the reason why dcap is a bad item. its a win harder item. those items are ok, but they are nearly useless when losing.

When comparing the two, the first thing to note is that ludens is generally an early get, and deathcap is usually a late get, this means that ludens gives you most of its mileage alone, whereas deathcap pretty much requires that you get other items just for it to work properly.

From what I gather most people that actually understand ahri go for luden's early for the same reason that you go for rylais early, except luden's gives slightly more damage. it increase your chase and escape potential by movespeed or slowing, increases your roaming potential by movespeed or slowing, and increases your survivability in lane from dodging skillshots with the extra movespeed or the extra health respectively. honestly I find that either makes a fine choice, its a preference choice early, and they pretty much do the same things late.

So back to my argument against dcap. why would you want a deathcap to do something you can already do. If your fed you can clearly already kill the enemy easily, so the extra damage is really not so helpful. If your behind the extra ap really won't help stop them from killing you again and again. however ludens is fairly good in both cases, if your ahead, the extra burst is kinda pointless, but the ability to chase more easily as well as being harder to pick both make for very helpful abilities, and when your behind, ludens will make it so that you might be able to escape encroaching death, it also gives you the ability to get back in possibly, depending on when you get it, because of roaming and farming an off lane are both good ways to get back into a game, and the movespeed will help you get around.

you know what, instead of this argument continuing, I have an idea. for the next couple of games you go ahri, instead of fitting in a deathcap, you fit in a ludens. see where it gets you, and understand ahead of time that you will be doing less damage. think of it like getting a second rylais.

also, movespeed is probably the most valuable stat in the game, as it is the only stat that is both defense and offense for every champion.

IonianDec 31, 20151 votes

There is even less of a reason to get ludens if behind. Yeah I'm 0/4 let's spend 3k gold on an item that is mostly damage huehuehuehue. Dcap is not a lategame item, yeah it scales obviously but due to Ahri's kit if you don't get it as a 2nd item your damage falls off so hard. So what's the build path if ahead? Morello > dcap. Because that's what allows you to 100-0 people. You don't have enough damage for that with ludens. And when you start getting really fed, enemies will try super hard to shut you down. That's why you get zhonyas or rylais 3rd item, to not throw away your lead. With morello+dcap+ludens you're just a glass cannon, 1 mistake and goodbye. And if behind? Abyssal/treads/zhonyas/rylais are all an option. Not ludens lol. But do you honestly think I've never tried buying ludens? I've done the morello>ludens build over 100 times even after the nerfs because it intrigued me that the higher elo players kept using it. And guess what, they were mostly failing miserably with it. Yeah movespeed is a fine stat, now do you prefer speeding yourself up or permaslowing the whole enemy team? I think the choice is obvious. I'm like one of the lowest elo players in Ahri toplist, yet I still earned a spot there, I think that shows my build is effective. Also, Faker does the same build path as me.

macromiteDec 31, 20151 votes

I don't understand why you need to lie, and claim things you can not prove. sir, you are a fool. your skills with ahri may be good enough, but you're build is terrible and greedy. I am trying to help you, but you aren't letting me. I'm done trying to help you, you keep doing what you think is best. just know that you are wrong.

IonianDec 31, 20151 votes

What the hell, how am I lying?

TNHA BaritoneDec 30, 20152 votes

Just because they dont build exactly like you doesnt mean they are bad or that their builds are bad. You aren't the Ahri God. The Number 1 Ahri player in the world according to Lolskill builds Ludens.

Just because you have a champ's name in yours doesnt mean you know everything.

IonianDec 30, 20152 votes

It doesn't mean they're bad. Ludens is alright if your team has plenty of cc and you're snowballing, and mechanics/game knowledge matter a lot more than "100% correct" builds. But most of the time, it's suboptimal. In that specific scenario, there was no point in getting ludens. He was not in a poke comp, nor did his team have excessive amounts of utility. He needed damage, and dcap would have been a 100x better buy. I know I'm not the Ahri god. But I have a decent knowledge of the champ. Did you know the #1 Ahri in lolskill was a scripter, and that's why he's #1? Did you also know he got banned a long time ago for doing it, and he only played back when ludens was a must-rush super op item?

I don't see why you reply when you know absolutely nothing about what's being discussed here.

TNHA BaritoneDec 30, 20152 votes

I thought Luden's Echo was "terrible item" ? How could it be "alright" ?
Rabadon's Deathcap costs 600 gold more than Ludens and Ludens gives a good amount of movement speed
Ok? You still aren't anywhere near the top 10, and guess what? They ALL build Ludens.

I don't see why you reply when you know absolutely nothing about what's being discussed here. (So true, because I obviously cannot read. /S)

IonianDec 30, 20151 votes

Long answer: dcap gives more waveclear and burst; lich bane gives more sustained damage, burst and still some roam potential; rylais gives 100x more utility. Buy ludens and you will be a glass cannon that falls off hard. Buy rylais and you still have assassin-tier damage while also applying more cc than nautilus.

If I could have 7 items I would buy it. Worth getting if there is nobody to kite. In that situation it's "alright". Dcap costs more but scales instead of falling off and offers a ton more damage in any trade with >1 spell. Movespeed is lel at best, but lich bane has it too, and with better stats. Yes, they get ludens. I explained why. Different games, different builds. I know you always do your cookie cutter mobafire build but the top 10 best players don't. When you're one of the best players you snowball often and thus you can go full damage. But when you're trash like me and most of the community you sometimes go even with champs that outscale you, or you have a kiteable enemy that is extremely fed. See how much ludens helps you there.

EmbertineDec 30, 20151 votes

Seems about as ordinary as a bronze game to me. except. . . . you know. . . .minus that one guy who wasn't paying attention and picked a top laner when he was last pick and the only thing open was adc. . . .

But other than that seems about the same as what I see in bronze. Completely different level of skills, but picks and builds are about the same.