There are two types of people when they see a new champion picked

Laughing Fish·Oct 5, 2016·17 votes·1,743 views

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21 Comments

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20163 votes

Have you played a game with the new champ yet?

Laughing FishOct 5, 20164 votes

Nah, I have been at work. I plan to get him when I get home, and at least try to play him. It is a pain to pick a new champ though, they are always either banned or picked first lol. How about you?

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HexaDecimelOct 5, 20163 votes

Two hours until I am done work, then I will head home and get him. Might try him in bot match as a support. I am really interested to see how he works as a support. I am thinking of a tankier Bard build.

DrCyanideOct 5, 20161 votes

I feel like you'd have to be careful taking him as a support so that you don't overextend your ADC as they dash towards the person you hit further back.

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20161 votes

The dash is only to the max auto attack range of whatever champion. So it wouldn't be like sending the adc right in the middle of the fight. At least that is my understanding of it.

I feel like it would work great for a ganking jungler.

DrCyanideOct 5, 20161 votes

It could still move them right up next to the enemy support if they're not careful.

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20161 votes

Lol, yes, it could do alot of things, thats kinda the idea behind testing it.

Laughing FishOct 5, 20162 votes

Yeah, he could be a good support. He wouldn't need smite to steal enemy buffs. You and your ADC could roam up, steal the enemy blue/red buff, and walk back to lane like bosses. I am thinking he could work well with a melee carry such as Yasuo, or a heavier ADC like Graves.

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20162 votes

I feel like it would be hard to steal early camps without smite, as it would take 40 seconds to build a grove. The scuttle crab however would be much more do-able.

Laughing FishOct 5, 20162 votes

Hmm, I didn't realize it was 40 seconds. Still, if you know the buff is up, and you see the enemy Jungler either die or gank top, you might still be able to get it . Either way though, he will make melee jungle ganks brutal with his dash. Volibear with a dash sounds especially brutal.

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20162 votes

It starts at 40 seconds an decreases by 2 seconds per level. so by lvl 18 it is only 4 seconds. If you have smite you can take the camp before the grove is complete.

His ult should work similar to tibbers but with less burst and more knock up. And his shield fits quite nicely with the whole support theme.

The bushes would be more circumstantial but could be used to cause confusion or to deny vision from a champion that is trying to get in one more auto attack.

Laughing FishOct 5, 20162 votes

Hmm, what about him and Cait with a Volibear jungle? His bushes would let Cait get more headshots, and since she wouldn't really need his dash he could let Voli take it for badass ganks

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20161 votes

Ya, Ivern would probably do well with Cait and Rengar. And really any juggernaut would benefit from having an ivern.

Laughing FishOct 5, 20162 votes

I thought about Rengar, but I just can't support that. Rengar + Bushes in the center of a lane = cancer.

HexaDecimelOct 5, 20162 votes

I admit, as much as I hate certain champions, I will gladly accept a skilled player using them on my team......I guess I am kinda a scumbag that way.

Laughing FishOct 5, 20162 votes

Meh, fair enough. I too will abuse OP or shameless champs if it means I get a win out of it.

HexaDecimelOct 6, 20162 votes

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Meh, fair enough. I too will abuse OP or shameless champs if it means I get a win out of it.

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Laughing FishOct 6, 20161 votes

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But seriously, it was no problem. You have been a good friend :)

HexaDecimelOct 6, 20162 votes

There is road work outside my house and it doesn't seem to be jiving with the internet connection :((((

DrakylonOct 5, 20161 votes

To be brutally honest, Ivern is outclassed in every role. His early jungle is way too slow compared to the current power picks, and his ganks are rather questionable as he only has one root and little damage to work with. Not to mention he is very vulnerable to counterjungling, especially at level 1. As a support, Nami and Karma are easily able to get your divers in their backline without having to hit a line skillshot through beefy tanks, and they protect your ADC much better. If peel is desired, most other supports have CC on-demand rather than having to wait for Daisy to smack someone three times.

His only real niche is being able to make bushes for some champion interactions, and the ability to share buffs. Giving your top lane/ADC a red buff might be useful, but I don't think it's enough to warrant picking him over someone with better early pressure.

BârdOct 6, 20161 votes

Slow clear? The guy can hit level 3 in 56 seconds.

He doesn't just have his root. It's pretty good itself; 1.2-2 seconds with a dash for all your friends. You also have your E; a 70% slow for 3 seconds, and Daisy, who knocks people up if she can tap them 3 times.

His damage is fine; not exceptional, but it's not supposed to be. He has 4 damaging spells, each of which with decent base damages and pretty damn good ratios.

As for supporting, I don't know of any other support who can deny vision of their carry. Brush aside, he also has a sizable shield (which also slows and nukes people trying to dive), Daisy to peel, and his Q. The Q can be used either on a encroaching hostile to peel, or you can use it as a stepping stone, both offensively and defensively. Either throw it on a monster/creep in your escape path to open a gap, or throw it on a vulnerable enemy with your buddies nearby and watch them die.