My Grade 12 art banner project on stereotypes

Lil Meme·Oct 21, 2014·28 votes·4,721 views

http://imgur.com/0zG9gHx The idea of this project is to provoke a reaction from the viewers, so comment away. My name might be a little hypocritical to the content, but hey, it's an awesome name.

77 Comments

Lumus AvatarOct 21, 201424 votes

The others are right. Morgana is a mage and, like classic mages, does not wear armor. Classic fantasy mages did not wear armor because it imposed penalties (difficulty) on casting spells. She is just the hyper-sexualized embodiment of that long-held tradition in fantasy settings. As such, mages were the least protected and easiest to kill. This balanced out the fact that they had access to devastating magic spells and could wipe the floor with most armored opponents, assuming they got to cast before getting stabbed.

You should choose an actual fighter for this statement: Shyvana, Irelia. Fiora's fighting style relies on fluid movements which armor would restrict. But you could look at Leona. She appears well armored, but she really isn't. She is well-covered, but it's mostly by a skin-tight outfit that the armor pieces are set about.

DeathByWaffleOct 21, 20146 votes

The others are right. Morgana is a mage and, like classic mages, does not wear armor. Classic fantasy mages did not wear armor because it imposed penalties (difficulty) on casting spells. She is just the hyer-sexualized embodiment of that long-held tradition in fantasy settings. As such, mages were the least protected and easiest to kill. This balanced out the fact that they had access to devastating magic spells and could wipe the floor with most armored opponents, assuming they got to cast before getting stabbed.

You should choose an actual fighter for this statement: Shyvana, Irelia. Fiora's fighting style relies on fluid movements which armor would restrict. But you could look at Leona. She appears well armored, but she really isn't. She is well-covered, but it's mostly by a skin-tight outfit that the armor pieces are set about.

Actually, Fiora's "armor" is in entirely in line with her fencing theme. It's very much akin to that of the outfits worn by real life fencers (minus the mask).

Irelia is a bit iffy. On one hand, the armor does cover the vast majority of her body in a fairly decent matter. On the other hand, there's no reason to bare so much of her collarbone area and chest.

Lumus AvatarOct 21, 20141 votes

Yes, I said that Fiora's outfit makes sense.

DeathByWaffleOct 22, 20141 votes

Yes, I said that Fiora's outfit makes sense.

I misread your post. MB

Lumus AvatarOct 22, 20141 votes

s'alright. :)

Klatn YeloxJan 8, 20152 votes

Best thread ever. The lack of flaming and douchiness in the light of a misunderstanding is refreshing. Way to go.

Lumus AvatarJan 8, 20151 votes

Well this notification came as kind of a shock - I never expect activity on such old posts. They tend to fade into obscurity as time goes on.

The internet would be a nicer place if people could have more civil discussions, point out fallacies without insulting another's intelligence, or accept that most comments are opinion and are therefore neither right nor wrong.

I do my best to maintain a civil tone and I am very pleased when others can do the same.

This turns out to be quite the ironic notification because the one just above this in my list is a troll trying to start a fight with every other person on the thread. Luckily, most in that thread have proven they are above his regrettable behavior.

Trading AcesOct 21, 20146 votes

Shyvana is naturally armored. Scales and magic, man. (kinda hope it's not scales) Irelia's not even wearing armor. Maybe the shoulder pads, but the rest - if you look at the model - is cloth.

If we look at male characters, there are plenty that wear fairly impractical/ornate "armors".

Nasus - about the same about of armor Shyvana has Aatrox - pretty much naked. Trydamere - wut no body armor? Yasuo - you can try and say "but he's a samurai", but samurai wore proper armor as well Jax - As far as armor goes, all I see is a face mask Yi - Shoulder guards and helmet - that's it Olaf - Only a Helmet

UnslaadfelOct 21, 20144 votes

Shyvana is naturally armored. Scales and magic, man. (kinda hope it's not scales) Irelia's not even wearing armor. Maybe the shoulder pads, but the rest - if you look at the model - is cloth.

If we look at male characters, there are plenty that wear fairly impractical/ornate "armors".

Nasus - about the same about of armor Shyvana has Aatrox - pretty much naked. Trydamere - wut no body armor? Yasuo - you can try and say "but he's a samurai", but samurai wore proper armor as well Jax - As far as armor goes, all I see is a face mask Yi - Shoulder guards and helmet - that's it Olaf - Only a Helmet

Yasuo has nice nips.At least Morgana has them covered. But damn those nips are hot.

BetaDude40Oct 22, 20143 votes

You forgot the swordboots. Those are critical to any Master Yi.

SmeichOct 22, 20142 votes

Irelia is also from Ionia, where engaging in combat is not a very sought after thing. Having cloth armor, or mostly cloth armor, reflects this rather buddhist life style they lead. How many monks, fighting or not, wear legitimate armor.

Nasus is basically a God. Aatrox runs off of blood, which he gets from his enemies. Having armor for him would do little. Tryndamere is Tryndamere. Jax is supposed to be an expert in the arts of fighting. Which is why he deflects basic attacks. No armor needed. Yi I cant really say anything about. Olaf is essentially a viking, and they never really wore heavy amounts of armor.

Just pointing out some things that could be reasoning behind some of those examples~

DeathByWaffleOct 21, 20149 votes

Only problem is that Morgana doesn't use armor. She uses a bra and like the bottom half of a dress. Honestly, Shyvana would be a much better pick to use for that subject.

Lil MemeOct 21, 20142 votes

Yeah that's a great idea. I just chose Morgana because she's my favourite champ. Shyvana probably would have been a better idea

Lt CuddlesOct 21, 20141 votes

Or Lux or Kayle , but at the very least they wear some battle attire...

JakethenightOct 21, 20145 votes

I think Lux's armor is fine for the fact that she is basically a Demacian spy/mage in the lore; traveling light and sneaking around requires light armor. Kayle's was pretty good before they added boob plates in the new splash.

Lt CuddlesOct 22, 20144 votes

Looking at Championship Shyvana , I have to say that riot is finally moving away from the silly "boob armor" and it makes me happy, and even with Lux boob armor isn't needed if her lore depicts her proper, as guile/nuking the enemy first with lasers is all she'll be doing, and she has a shield, so armor isn't the first thing she needs, now if she can get Garen to stop blowing her cover with all that yelling, then maybe missions will go smoother~

Remlap1223Oct 22, 20141 votes

But... Kayle

Lt CuddlesOct 22, 20141 votes

That, and if they take care of Kayle, but I don't everyone at Rito is on the same page...and if that's case: inconsistencies everywhere!

Trading AcesOct 22, 20141 votes

I like boob armor. There's no reason to ever be offended by it.

You can, however, take full offense to cleavage armor.

Rock RockburghOct 22, 20144 votes

I'm going to assume that when they say "boob armor" they're referring to the tendency of artists to "cup" the breasts. In reality, this would be counterproductive, since a strike near the middle of the chest would be deflected inwards, instead of outwards. That's the biggest complaint, in my mind.

Lt CuddlesOct 22, 20144 votes

No one is offended, we just see how tactically unsafe boob armor is for the wearer, there are things like attacks bouncing up to her face if it does hold, and the armor turning into a sort of "stabbing cone": if the armor is hit with hard enough blow, or if she happens to have a sharp fall on her chest, then it would lead to injury, or if someone hammers her chest with a blunt object, would cause the "boob cup" armor to press in form the hit, thus stabbing her with her own armor.

2nd FiddleOct 21, 20142 votes

Shyvana is still a bit iffy because she's scaly and presumably has tougher skin. Katarina on the other hand...

junglerboy16Oct 22, 20142 votes

...Is an assassin and historic assassins would never wear armor. Granted, they wouldn't fight in open battles either, but considering she is an assassin outside of fighting in the league (which technically doesn't even exist anymore, R.I.P. IoW) it is appropriate enough not to wear any armor (over-sexualization aside).

AntiSkillshotOct 21, 20142 votes

Only problem is that Morgana doesn't use armor. She uses a bra and like the bottom half of a dress. Honestly, Shyvana would be a much better pick to use for that subject.

Considering that Shyvana is half dragon. Even if she was completely naked, she'd still have armor in the term of scales. I'd say Akali fits more in what the OP is talking about. Seriously, she's only wearing bracers, shoulder pieces, and shin guards for armor.

Also, am I the only one that's wonder who's in her splash art? It's not Ezreal, and it's not a helmetbro. Almost makes me think of a more modern version of Rob Blackblade, a canceled champion...

dj2themaxOct 22, 20142 votes

but akali is a Ninja having clunky armor wasn't a thing for ninjas they mostly wore cloth and mainly ambushed their target so there was no need for armor

Clad in PlaidOct 22, 20148 votes

If I were in your position I would've drawn Ashe and wrote "Would this keep anyone warm?" right next to it. To each his own, I guess.

Or maybe draw Riven and ask "Could these arms support a human-sized sword?"

Lil MemeOct 22, 20142 votes

If I were in your position I would've drawn Ashe and wrote "Would this keep anyone warm?" right next to it. To each his own, I guess.

Or maybe draw Riven and ask "Could these arms support a human-sized sword?"

I like your ideas, good feedback :)

Shiki RyougiOct 21, 20145 votes

Your reasoning is flawed. Udyr doesn't wear anything remotely resembling armor yet he has higher MR AND Armor than Morg. Lee Sin wears less than Morgana and is within a single point of armor, and once again MR. You're ignoring facts to push an agenda and grab eyes. Stop that. That's terribly intellectually dishonest.

CynicattOct 22, 20145 votes

Probably a better example would have been someone like Evelynn, who goes into melee range wearing her stripper outfit. Either way though, there are other games out there where the actual female knights are wearing basically plate bikinis, because less coverage=better armor. Those games probably would have been better examples. I can't think of the names of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure a quick google search would find them.

tau43Oct 21, 20144 votes

She's not the type to even have armor though. Riven or Sivir would have probably been better.

Athenes LuluOct 22, 20144 votes

Nice pic, take a free upvote.

Critique time! First of all, Morgy isn't really a good example, as she's supposed to wear revealing attire to contrast Kayle, who's covered up from head to toe. Morgy is also some sort of (squishy) mage, so it's ok to not wear armor.

Should've grabbed a better example from http://repair-her-armor.tumblr.com/ , but not a at all bad pic either.

Rustling BushOct 21, 20143 votes

since when does morgana wear armor? when does it even say that should uses armor? i don't get, i'm confused

Lil MemeOct 21, 20143 votes

Great feedback, thank you. (Her base armor stat is 19, so she's gotta have armor somewhere) :)

JamnonOct 21, 20143 votes

Notice the arguements used against the OP rely on:

Morgana has never worn armor. (despite her not existing)
Mages don't wear armor (despite mages being entirely fictional).
But ma game mechanics. (it's just a game, not real).

What all this ignores is the OP's point which is the use of armor. What sort of armor did medieval women wear? Here is why "boob armor" would actually kill you.

Lil MemeOct 21, 20142 votes

Notice the arguements used against the OP rely on:

Morgana has never worn armor. (despite her not existing)

Mages don't wear armor (despite mages being entirely fictional).

But ma game mechanics. (it's just a game, not real).

What all this ignores is the OP's point which is the use of armor. What sort of armor did medieval women wear? Here is why "boob armor" would actually kill you.

I'm glad someone noticed it :)

ShosukoOct 22, 20141 votes

A poorly marketed illustration doesn't fault the viewer, but the creator.

Take all of this "missed interpretation" as a critique stating that you did not get your message across.

Such as - there is no visible armor, so are you stating that NO armor doesn't protect? Because I don't see armor. If this is a reference to her high base armor starting, then I'd have to say it's a poorly chosen illustration since most ppl wouldn't know this, even league players wouldn't know this.

Most of the critiques aren't relying on 1, 2, or 3. They are based on the premise that your image and your caption do not create any clear idea of what message you are attempting to convey.

Lil MemeOct 22, 20143 votes

A poorly marketed illustration doesn't fault the viewer, but the creator.

Take all of this "missed interpretation" as a critique stating that you did not get your message across.

Such as - there is no visible armor, so are you stating that NO armor doesn't protect? Because I don't see armor. If this is a reference to her high base armor starting, then I'd have to say it's a poorly chosen illustration since most ppl wouldn't know this, even league players wouldn't know this.

Most of the critiques aren't relying on 1, 2, or 3. They are based on the premise that your image and your caption do not create any clear idea of what message you are attempting to convey.

Firstly, I thought that I conveyed my message appropriately, and that's proven through the mostly positive feedback on my multiple threads. Secondly, she has an armored bra, shoulder guards, wrist guards, and headpiece. Thank you for your feedback.

T1gerBl00d27Oct 22, 20142 votes

Notice the arguements used against the OP rely on:

Morgana has never worn armor. (despite her not existing)

Mages don't wear armor (despite mages being entirely fictional).

But ma game mechanics. (it's just a game, not real).

What all this ignores is the OP's point which is the use of armor. What sort of armor did medieval women wear? Here is why "boob armor" would actually kill you.

Why use something that uses "fictional laws" and represents "fictional imagery" be considered as a form of respectable criticism then?

JamnonOct 22, 20142 votes

Because the OP's position used practical laws and actual scientific (not fictional) facts about armor.

Ironclad DragonOct 22, 20142 votes

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130211211011/leagueoflegends/images/thumb/9/91/Jayce_DebonairSkin.jpg/613x460x2-Jayce_DebonairSkin.png Does everyone look this suave?

VbunnieOct 22, 20142 votes

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110411223438/leagueoflegends/images/f/f1/Gragas_Gragas,Esq.Skin.jpg

Morgana SenpaiOct 22, 20142 votes

Senpai Noticed you.

Draco AleksanderOct 22, 20142 votes

I have to wonder if it's actually on purpose. Since Kayle, her sister, is armored top to bottom with absolutely no skin showing, maybe it's also part of Morgana's rebellion against the Sun tribe? Pantheon and Leona are also pretty armored (though Leona's is mostly skintight leather as someone else mentioned), so there's probably a theming thing going on.