Rank shaming btw

MyRabbitLydia·Apr 21, 2019·11 votes·2,954 views

I like that bs a lot . A guy asking what is wrong with his playstyle and he cannot escape high gold , only to get responses from bronzes to silvers analysts . Yeah dudes , they are totally experts and have great game knowledge . They should totally comment their on point analysis . Whoever says they should not because they are not good enouph , therefore they cannot possibly help but confuse the guy asking , should get the comment removed for rank shaming . Long live the delusional . Next time maybe faker should make a thread discussing the future meta asking masters - to challengers and i , the high plat - low dia scrub will interfere because i totally know the game at their level and can help . That is the exact analogy of what is wrong with the boards . The issue tho is that i know my limits and will stay away from such a thread , but those people will totally start even arguing with supremely higher elo opinions , like they can possibly be correct . That's all , i'm done with the boards and their " democratic views on everyone having a worthy opinion to share " . Sorry , knowledge is by default elitist . I will ask a doctor to tell me what to do to get better not some random wannabe . The wannabees' opinions can only harm me not aid me .

23 Comments

ModThe DjinnApr 21, 20199 votes

Ability to execute mechanics in-game is not necessarily equal to the ability to understand the mechanics you should be executing. There's a correlation in many cases, but not a sufficiently consistent one for it to be accurate to say "higher rank == higher game knowledge."

The long and short of it is that we're not discriminating on who is allowed to post based on their rank, and if that causes you to be done with the boards then that is a choice you are empowered to make.

MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20191 votes

How many silvers have better game knowledge not than dia + but just golds . 20% ? Than plats ? 5% maybe ? Higher i think less than 1% , change my mind

MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20191 votes

Just the collective loss of time reading nonsense and test it via trial and error is spamming without costing harm . Now when it causes harm due to wrong perception ? Ye , that's all .

ModThe DjinnApr 21, 20197 votes

{quoted}change my mind

No. It's not my job to change your viewpoint, which you are entitled to. It is my job to tell you that this is not a subject we will be adjusting the rules on.

Salvor HardınApr 23, 20191 votes

Hi Djinn! I'd like to ask you a question about the rules of the forum.

What is the reason why one cannot speak of political religion, gender etcetera?

I agree with that, but in my forum (LAS) it is allowed, and I wanted to know why not in this one.

Answer when you can without haste. :)

ModThe DjinnApr 23, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qTE6i67n,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-23T12:26:27.996+0000)I agree with that, but in my forum (LAS) it is allowed, and I wanted to know why not in this one.

It is our experience that these threads almost inevitably require extensive moderation effort and end up with a high level of rule-breaking content. As such, it's better for the moderation workload and for the community to ask players to seek out other places to have these conversations.

Salvor HardınApr 23, 20191 votes

I agree, in Argentina there are going to be elections, and the post about candidates are coming up, I will see if I can make LAS implement this rule. Thank you for your time Djinn!

rujitraApr 21, 20193 votes

Why don’t you provide your proof for these numbers you present and change everyone else’s mind?

Light BurnerApr 22, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qTE6i67n,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-21T16:04:34.459+0000)

Ability to execute mechanics in-game is not necessarily equal to the ability to understand the mechanics you should be executing. There's a correlation in many cases, but not a sufficiently consistent one for it to be accurate to say "higher rank == higher game knowledge."

The long and short of it is that we're not discriminating on who is allowed to post based on their rank, and if that causes you to be done with the boards then that is a choice you are empowered to make.

-There's a correlation in many cases, but not a sufficiently consistent one for it to be accurate to say "higher rank == higher game knowledge." This statement is false on its own. I agree its not 100% of the time higher rank == higher game knowledge but majority of the time this is true especially in the history of league before the role selection process where people weren't so invested into 1 role.

-The long and short of it is that we're not discriminating on who is allowed to post based on their rank I agree with this but there has to be a line drawn for this, ill give 2 examples. If a bronze player says "You should try building zed AP hes op when built AP" and someone responds you obviously have no clue what you're saying thats probably why you're in bronze. They get their comment removed for rank shaming. When building zed AP is clearly a terrible idea. Did the person need to say thats why you're in bronze no, but then we come to the 2nd example. Before zoey's nerfs people complained about her in the higher elos for the longest time, one person goes ahead to state that zoey is completely balanced and they could 1v1 zoey and have done it before multiple times easily in ranked as nami. All you need to do is buy a visage first item and you auto win. Now you can get into the stats, build paths, item efficiency for a player and write an entire page of info to prove their point wrong and they drop another response of "I did it with nami you're just bad and coming here to complain git gud" So then you go ahead and tell them im plat you're bronze and you're telling me to git gud? and next thing you know your post is removed for rank shaming. Because points on the board lose validity due to how many sheer number of people that are complaining just to complain instead of actually using arguments, logic, and stats. This causes issues for Riot if they want to use the boards as a source of feedback as well as tilts other players who know most of the things said on here are just straight false. Does it have to do with rank all the time no, but this again ties back to if you cant moderate all the comments between the trolls and the dumb ones why moderate the ones calling them out on it? Its the same issue league faces in game, the trolls continue to troll and you either suck it up and report or say something and get punished.

Risk of FateApr 21, 20196 votes

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MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20191 votes

When someone shares 100 things , out of which 1 is worthy and 99 are not , it causes harm due to loss of time in reading , testing . It should be presumed as spam at best , or malicious trolling . A doctor will give me 99 correct opinions that will save me from suffering months or years in collective time . A master - chall player will give me advice that will save me months or years of trial and error process . The wannabe will either not ease my suffering or harm me . The bronze - silver will either lose my time or harm me . What part of the analogy is incorrect ?

Risk of FateApr 21, 20193 votes

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MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20191 votes

High ego " high plat - low dia scrub " as said above btw . There are people way better than me and i respect them . I will not try contradicting their points unless im certain i am right . I have self knowledge . Narcissists tho will interfere when their chances are below 0 because they are blinded by ignorance or mostly ego

Risk of FateApr 21, 20192 votes

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MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20191 votes

That is the thing . They would not , because they test it themselves way before they actually take it to live games . Do you know how many hours they spend in practice or smurfs before they invent new meta ?

Serika ZeroApr 21, 20193 votes

I had seen doctors prescribe overdose medicine to patients and patients getting sick because of it. as well as patients getting cured because they listened to someone else calling out the overdose.

bottom line, we are humans, we make mistakes, and sometimes there's something we can't see. But others might see it. In the doctor example above, a pharmacist told me: I've never seen a receipt like this and sold so much for a shot. Who will do injections? Me: me. Oh, so you got training. Me: no. Oh, ok, then.... be careful.

Me: telling mom about it. Mom: hmm, she might be right Me: researching online. Me: oh, that's double the maximum dose prescribed for this case and for patients of this age. Asking friend that finished med university: hey, how about this? Friend: Idk, the doctor made the decision after seeing the patient, i won't go over her decision. Me: ok, fuck it, I'm doing half the shots.

Patient after a week: cured.

Just because someone is "higher rank", or has a higher social status doesn't mean they are immune to mistakes or wrong decision making. This includes: rich people, celebrities, doctors, lawyers, and everything others admire.

MyRabbitLydiaApr 21, 20192 votes

The probability strongly suggests that the individual of higher ranking or proper , exclusive training will be correct in the vast majority of time . The loss of time needed to test that extremely low chance of the opposite occuring + the harm you may get for trying it is not worth it statistically . That's why there are so many different professions . A teacher will 99% know more than an ordinary human in his subjects . A doctor too . A cook too . A builder too . We have exclusive duties for exclusively trained individuals . That is society . If everyone wants to do everything , only chaos occurs . Socrates i think , my own thinking led me to that before i read him .

Serika ZeroApr 22, 20191 votes

I understand that view, that statistically, it would be better to trust those people. But those lets say 1-2% times they miss do happen. And lets say there's 1.000.000 doctors. And only 1% of them only once call bad diagnostics which cause patients to suffer. That's 1000 people that suffered because they trusted, instead of thinking for themselves.

I see most people in "position of authority" as guidance. But not someone that sets rules in stone which i have to ALWAYS follow. I'll listen, take their recommendation, consider it, and then decide by myself what I will do. While statistically, this would be a mistake, I trust myself more than i trust statistics or people in positions of power :)

Sir SaltarinApr 21, 20192 votes

I mean, if you dont want low elo advices dont ask on the Boards, simple as that

Metal JannaApr 21, 20192 votes

Yeah you don't know, when reading someone's comment and looking up their rank, you don't know whether you outrank them based on your superior micro, macro, champion knowledge, reflexes and connection speed... All you know is that you outrank them.

You can't know that you know more about the specific subject being discussed than they do. This isn't anything like asking for medical advice from a medical doctor. This is asking medical advice from a large community of medical students, some of whom are studying the field you need knowledge from and some of whom are not. Are the ones nearing graduation more likely to know what you need to know? Of course. But none of them have perfect knowledge even in the field they study. Depending on the question you are asking, a less experienced colleague may have a more accurate answer.

Inkling CommandoApr 22, 20192 votes

ranks are just as bad as KDA. if you are 5/0 people will worship you like god. if you are 0/5 they won't even take the time to spit on you. ranks are the same way. gold player. middle of the road, ok? gold players look up to and worship diamond and plat but will look down on and disregard silver and bronze.

Pandemic PunchApr 23, 20191 votes

Some of the best coaches in sports would be the equivalent to a Silver or Bronze player when they play the game themselves. Understanding the game and having the mechanics to perform the optimal actions are two different things.

Imagine there being people who, can't play without locked screen, aim is so bad that they miss Janna shields or Soraka heals, imagine people who never learned to type properly, imagine people who can't use the F keys, or imagine people who can't use more than 1 active item because they don't know where their hand is on the keyboard.