Want to Know WHY You Think League is Dead?

CRAB FLEXER·Dec 24, 2018·48 votes·15,615 views

It's because you spend time on these boards. People actively witch hunt riot for literally every single decision they make, and there's only room for people that dislike the decisions Riot makes.

I personally LOVE the game. I love its current state aside from the top lane meta, and I love playing the game for multiple hours every day. I know alot of people that loves the game as it is now. But we don't use boards. This site is literally only used for whining and complaining at this point. People log on to rant and not to have an actual discussion. Let me list a few of the problems that makes me leave instantly every time I visit the boards:

Ignoring Factual & Statistical arguments - The boards are way too biased. Anybody that spends enough time here knows what I mean.
"I'm new to the game and _____" No you're not, you're a random smurf account. There is no way a level 15 player would make a post about Camille doing too much damage - They wouldn't even know what too much damage was yet, and they wouldn't be able to identify smurfs either. These people are scammers that tries to "prove" that the new players in league aren't enjoying the game. While the truth is they're not on boards and they're DEFINITELY not knowledgeable about balance nor do they pretend to be.
Ranting - Legit what is wrong with some of you people? Tower plating is GREAT and it slows down the pace of the game while rewarding you for slowly taking down a turret. This is what you asked for for years. Slower games with more impactful decision making. With more meaningful laning phases. Then when riot gives you that, you suddenly change your mind and say you don't want impactful laning phases.

We're people that loves this game and love playing it as well. We just don't come here to rant about how much we like the game, because that's a waste of time anyway because people on here just wants to watch the world burn. Check any top post on boards. Find ANY sort of positivity in a comment and it'll be downvoted. And you wonder why Rioters doesn't spend their time responding to gameplay "discussions" on here. It's honestly depressing.

70 Comments

SulghunterDec 24, 201825 votes

Why do you like the current state of affairs? I am trying to understand the mindset of someone who likes the massive damage and rapid matches.

I started playing this game nearly 4 years ago, when 45 minute matches were a regular occurrence. I enjoyed spending days playing LoL, fighting the long matches, it actually felt like a battle, instead of some random and senseless bar fight.

I just don't understand the appeal of matches where a single ability is capable of tearing off a third of ones health bar, or where matches are decided in the first ten minutes.

disregardableDec 24, 201810 votes

I miss a lot of things from season 5, but the 45-55 minutes games are NOT one of them. And this is coming from a Jinx main.

Matches were still decided early in the game, it was just the winning team stalling and grinding out a bigger and bigger advantage.

DisembarkDec 25, 20181 votes

Yeah people super exaggerate how rewarding late games felt. They really didn’t... often times in late game metas you just dicked around and the game was decided by 1 late game team fight or someone getting caught randomly. “Good job CSing well and getting kills - doesn’t matter cause everyone’s at 6 items anyways”.

Seriously. When Dunkey made his video of why he quit League he specifically mentions that GAMES ARE TOO LONG.

Like cmon.

dome025Dec 24, 20182 votes

I just don't understand the appeal of matches where a single ability is capable of tearing off a third of ones health bar, or where matches are decided in the first ten minutes.

Well oneshots already existed in pre-/season 4 (started with lol in preseason 4). I remember how pre rework crit GP just used one Q to kill me. And I´m sure there were also other candidates who just could straight oneshot people. But somehow it feels like it just got worse over the years and more accessible to a wide range of champions. Yet there are still situations where tanks seem to be invulnerable.

It´s probably a mix of problems which got worse over time. Snowball, damage increment, defensive item nerfs, accessible damage.

Edit: I miss those long games from season 4 (Laning phase was about 20 minutes back then if I remember correctly. Now laning phase is just a joke compared to those 20 minutes.)

DisembarkDec 25, 20181 votes

Dunkey in his quitting video talks about how games are too long and why it sucks.

ModiDec 26, 20182 votes

Suffice it to say, Dunkey did not, nor does he now, speak for the majority.

DisembarkDec 26, 20181 votes

He spoke for way more people than ever have visited the boards in its entire lifetime... so I’d trust that over the boards.

ModiDec 26, 20181 votes

He may have had more followers/viewers*, but that does not make him the spokesperson for the community. Hell, that doesn't even grant him the right to be the voice of his followers. All that that means is he was popular, nothing more.

*I have no ideas how many people he had watching him. I began playing at the end of S2 or S3, but first heard of dunkey when he made his rant video.

sutora3Dec 24, 201811 votes

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MoonscourgeDec 24, 20188 votes

Makes no fucking sense since there is nothing that needs to be defended. Stop shitposting

MoonscourgeDec 24, 20189 votes

I 100% agree. The boards or forums in general are just a cesspool of negativity and hate. Negative opinions resonate so much more, because everybody goes through them and negative experiences have so much more impact on us as humans.

Also it's the same deal every single preseason: People exaggerate, people get really REALLY angry about how the games go, ignoring that every preseason features these types of volatile games because of the changes introduced with it.

UrPalAlDec 24, 20186 votes

This is honestly why I moved to Reddit. So much more reasonable and positive. I used to prefer the boards but it's hard to ignore the fact that people seem to just join this massive circle jerk rather than having their own opinions. Reddit is still a circle jerk, as all forums are, but not nearly to the same extent.

Hot Belly DancerDec 24, 20188 votes

You haven't played in season 2-4 then lol

saltranDec 24, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hot Belly Dancer,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-24T19:39:46.107+0000)

You haven't played in season 2-4 then lol

I did, and I play Lol more right now.

Sewer SideDec 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hot Belly Dancer,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-24T19:39:46.107+0000)

You haven't played in season 2-4 then lol

I have.

As somebody who fanboyed Season 2 when S3-4 came out, it wasn’t really a bastion of balance. We were just fucking awful. Fratmogs top lane, Mobility Boots and 13 green wards supports (who late game build was either Shurelyas after Philo Stone paid itself off after 30 mins, or a dozen of pick wards to counter vision), and FoN Rammus that gained more HP than I dealt as Ahri (I still remember this moment because the flame I got from my team for first timing Ahri and letting Rammus live on 100HP was unreal). Permabanned Malphite, Amumu, Morgana.

Season 3 week of Cleavers and then Warmogs had the community in rage and threads being posted like Riot jumped the shark with those preseason changes. Also, Kassadin.

Season 4 was unremarkable and probably the least offensive, barring Elder Lizard spam from Junglers, until it was turned into an Ezreal abuse case #7. Actually, if I recall though, a lot of early game junglers were complained about here too, mainly Vi, J4, Lee Sin, and Elise being the only good/stale picks.

The game had severe issues back in the heyday, but the community was more lenient because as you can see by the community, that is generally when most people started playing League.

IfnethDec 24, 20184 votes

Yep. The moderators are talking about removing this sort of discussion. It’s not good for anyone, the ones posting it included.

ModUlanopoDec 24, 201811 votes

Why would we remove it? It's on the right board and doesn't break any of the guidelines. I may not agree with all of it, but it doesn't seem actionable.

IfnethDec 24, 20188 votes

Because threads about a ‘dead game’ are never made with any genuine desire for discussion. Each thread like that is made by someone who is toxic, became tilted by some frustration, and spiraled into salty rage because they cannot admit to themselves that they were just unlucky, or even that they’re tilted. Instead, they project their thoughts onto the game and its playerbase, declaring that’s it’s ‘dead’ because it’s ‘bad’ or ‘riot sucks’.

Then they come onto the board and seek validation of that opinion. Coincidentally, surprisingly many posters no longer even play but stay around posting such threads and comments. While players like these are inherent to any sports community, there’s no reason to let them make the Boards unpleasant for the rest of us.

MarshbouyDec 25, 20182 votes

Because my cat can write a post that has more substance than "give champions health like wards: champions die to quickly" or "balance team sucks: game has gone downhill" or "riot balance team is slacking: this game is just a clusterfuck of stat checking" or "ADC one shot me in <1 second: balance is garbage"

You'll remove my posts for being low quality shitposts but you won't remove others when they

make completely unsubstantiated claims
witch hunt rioters
contain almost pure negativity and/or constant swearing
provide 0 thoughtful discussion about the state of the game

ModUlanopoDec 25, 20182 votes

You'll remove my posts for being low quality shitposts

Maybe you need to go back and look at your removal messages because all I'm seeing is vulgar and insulting content.

Regardless, I think you're getting off track. The OP is saying the boards aren't a great place to get a sense for how League is going. That's not actionable and there's some quality discussion to be had.

MarshbouyDec 25, 20181 votes

Literally got a post removed a few days ago because Jikker didn't think it was funny, but ok, sure. I also appreciate you singling me out for toxicity but not any of the other people consistently rank shaming me on +60% of the gameplay posts I make, but that's neither here nor there.

Again, the boards.na.leagueoflegends.com mod team proving it can't read for shit.

The poster of this thread is saying that the boards are an echo chamber of toxicity and hatred that causes people to focus on all of the worst things about the game. No positivity is allowed, everything is negative.
the commenter on the post is talking about removing the kinds of shitty, worthless content that I previously mentioned because it is damaging to the site. Apparently you can't see this though, as it's never removed.

No one is saying "the boards are useless" they're saying "the boards are only used for toxicity, it's no wonder riot never responds to anyone."

the persecution complex is real.

ModUlanopoDec 25, 20181 votes

You're always welcome to bring this to the Discord. In the meantime, I'm going to stop distracting from the thread.

NyarlathοtepDec 24, 20184 votes

I personally LOVE the game. I love its current state aside from the top lane meta, and I love playing the game for multiple hours every day

And thats why we cant have nice things.

DeracadaVenomDec 25, 20184 votes

I AGREE SO MUCH. YOU ARE MY HERO.

Beacon AcademyDec 25, 20184 votes

Its hard to believe new people love this game tbh

Its more like they play the game because they have friends who have played for a long time playing league.

I've yet to see someone starting league, become serious at becoming good at it, since 2015-2016

And I'm talking about people starting it from people I know IRL from work or friends of friends.

These same people never touch the boards either.

Out of the dozens, only one plays ranked competitively. And even then he only goes hard once in awhile because he'll climb to plat II or plat I, get frustrated over the course of it and take long breaks until the next time he climbs up to plats I or II. This has been happening since season 6 for him. (Although he has been playing since beta)

Everyone else say they "want to get good," but when it comes time to dedicate, they view grey screens, get discouraged, and give up until their next "I wanna get better" moment.

That or they give up and surrender themselves to the ARAM gods.

ModiDec 25, 20182 votes

Why does a person have to play ranked to enjoy the game? There are some (myself included), who want nothing to do with ranked, exactly due to the reason you started: the time commitment. That is the primary barrier keeping many of us from playing ranked, and it is by design.

You can be perfectly satisfied playing a game, even one with a professional side, for fun. Don't believe me? Just look at all the people who play beer league hockey.

Beacon AcademyDec 26, 20181 votes

Do you think when people like a game, they don't want to get better at it...?

ModiDec 26, 20181 votes

Real questions in reply:

Does playing for fun imply that you have no desire to improve?
Is playing ranked the only way to improve?

My guess is that your answer is "no" to both. I also reiterate my original question: Why does a person have to play ranked to enjoy the game? (Hint: they don't).

Beacon AcademyDec 26, 20181 votes

Well... Here is the question I wanted to avoid for your sake then:

"Where did I ever mention that if you play league, you have to rank?"

I simply said one guy (The beta player) plays ranked and the rest have either quit or just play ARAM.

As for the first question you had... Bud...

Its one thing for people to naturally improve over time for a hobby that they find fun.

However.

League is completely different from "other hobbies or activities" in that before you get good, you are looking at the grey screen for a substantial amount of time because the knowledge and experience gap is huge... Hence why new players get discouraged.

In other words: League is a game where you have to actually dedicate some time to actually learn how to die less so that you can actually play... Otherwise you're literally playing this game to die.

You cannot expect anyone to believe that there is a whole lot of room to actually learn when you can get blown up in a matter of second(s).

ModiDec 26, 20181 votes

How is it that different? You don't instantly become good at woodworking. You aren't magically good at cribbage. It's not easy to become a sketcher of any degree of quality.

All thing in life take practice. The new player experience may have rough edges (in my opinion, largely in part because of smurfing), but that does not make it an impossible task. It is no more daunting than any other worthwhile skill to master.

You are right, that league is not go fish, or any other simple game that are meant to challenge only young children. It is a complex game, that takes time to become competent, let alone an expert. But equating anything about the "new player experience" with anything related to ranked (even normals) is a huge miss on the options available to new players. There are a whole host of opportunities to improve, especially with the different levels of bot games that you can play.

If someone wants to improve beyond bots, the will have to "take the training wheels off" and join a PVP queue, but there are multiple queues to play. If someone is that bad at playing, they will (roughly) be placed with players at or around their ability level. This is true for SR/TT normals AND SR/TT ranked.

I challenge you to name a hobby that doesn't take some sort of dedication to master.

In regards to your question:

Where did I ever mention that if you play league, you have to rank?

Here's where I took that

[{quoted}](name=Beacon Academy,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-12-25T01:17:31.302+0000) Its hard to believe new people love this game tbh

You state that you don't believe new players like the game.

[...] I've yet to see someone starting league, become serious at becoming good at it, since 2015-2016

You state that people aren't taking league seriously, to become good, implying that the intent to improve is required to enjoy the game

[...] Out of the dozens, only one plays ranked competitively. And even then he only goes hard once in awhile because he'll climb to plat II or plat I, get frustrated over the course of it and take long breaks until the next time he climbs up to plats I or II. This has been happening since season 6 for him. (Although he has been playing since beta)

Here you imply that playing ranked is (roughly) equivalent to becoming a good player.

Everyone else say they "want to get good," but when it comes time to dedicate, they view grey screens, get discouraged, and give up until their next "I wanna get better" moment.

Then you go on to say that people who want to improve, but don't decide to commit, means that they would not get better.

That or they give up and surrender themselves to the ARAM gods.

Finally, you make the mention that they give up on one queue of league, not that they give up on LoL entirely. Through this, the implication is that if you play ARAM, you are not enjoying anything in the game.

Putting it all together

New players don't like the game
because they don't take it seriously and commit, tying into that new players who don't take it seriously won't enjoy the game
because playing ranked is the only way to improve in the game
but since they don't commit (play ranked) they won'r get better
thus they will not have fun because they are just playing ARAM.

The mere fact that you still have friends playing any LoL is evidence towards its staying power. Ranked (or even normals) is not fun for everyone, just like bots, ARAM, NB, and RGMs are not fun for everyone. Riot has made a game with a wide appeal for a diverse population. Just because some of your friends tried league, and didn't like the original game types only says that it was not their preference. It says nothing about the game itself.

Beacon AcademyDec 26, 20181 votes

You're reaching so hard, it hurts to watch.

You're ignoring the "grey screen" comments so hard as well.

Woodworking and sketching are more relatable to "PvE" in terms of improving

And as far as I know, you don't get timed out for a certain about of rounds in a card game simply for making a mistake or losing a round.

Yes. All things in life does take practice. But guess what? When you tell a new person "Hey go play bots or use the practice tool and learn how to do the basics," how long do they actually dedicate to doing that before they go yolo into pvp, where they ultimately end up dying a whole bunch of times, get discouraged, and quit?

Waitaminute:

"I challenge you to name a hobby that doesn't take some sort of dedication to master."

Thats supposed to be my fucking line.

As for the part about trying to prove that I'm saying ranked is "required"

That is where you are just reaching far too hard.

I literally listed:

One guy plays ranked occasionally.

The rest quit or play ARAM

And even then its only one or two out of dozens [only one queue of league huh?] that go the ARAM path and EVEN THEN they only play once every two to two and a half weeks [Only because me and the other guy who plays ranked plays with them... Otherwise there is no one else they can play with because they all quit. in other words, if they didn't know the two of us, they would have already quit completely].

Much staying power right?

DracocrashDec 25, 20184 votes

On release tower plating was pathetic, it made turrets fall like paper post 14 and increased gold early game champs received by nuts. You have to be blind not to see this, even riot admitted it.

Riot buffed post plating resistances and plan to nerf plating gold. Maybe then plating will be fine, but on release, it DEFINITELY was not fine, and people were right to complain about it.

And here you are sitting on your high horse claiming they are wrong without providing an actual argument, do you not see the irony?

BretonnianDec 25, 20184 votes

Youre having fun because you are smurfing... lmao and playing yasuo and riven. I too have fun when i abuse new players with op champs. Level 19 lol

Leaf on BushDec 25, 20181 votes

Starting on a new acount isn't fun at all, these games are so boring and pointless that you almost want to stop playing again. it's like a 1 week tutorial in an environment that teaches you nothing.

WildG12Dec 24, 20183 votes

When I was new last year I didn't even know LoL Boards did exist, and it's taken me about 8 months or now to get a handle on what should be normal damage. [zombie-nunu-bummed] All I know is why my 2860 RP Infinity Gauntlet Ezreal now that League is working with Marvel.

McsquzzyDec 24, 20183 votes

smurfing is a huge problem in my opinion, it can hurt or scare away new players since lets face it, 1-30 bronze to plat/diamond kind of things were very popular for a long time. Well how would you go about doing this? Normally by smurfing or trolling games to get to bronze and then climbing. Either case is a problem, but Riot is unlikely to do something to prevent smurfing since they will count as another player whom may bring money to their pockets.

I know they can't instantly determine smurfs from new players before they play but if their was an option to identify as a smurf and people would actually be honest about it. They could separate them from new players, hell most smurfs prob won't be able to tell the difference since they are probably playing another smurf anyways. While new players would be playing with other new players for the first 5-10 levels or so.

Midg3tDec 25, 20182 votes

Good thing you explained why you like this game...oh wait.

And just to add something to this part

Check any top post on boards. Find ANY sort of positivity in a comment and it'll be downvoted. And you wonder why Rioters doesn't spend their time responding to gameplay "discussions" on here. It's honestly depressing.

I'm sorry, I didn't know the company was ran by a bunch of kids who need to be cuddled and showered by a bunch of sweet words when you want to communicate with them.

They are running a fucking business. They are giving their customers a product. If customers aren't satisfied by that product, they have every right to complain, no matter how positive or negative the comment is. If Riot won't listen, their customers will become upset, and will be very hostile towards them, for a good reason. And if they won't listen, and won't fix their product because BOHOOO THEY ARE MEAN TO US WAHHHHHH, then guess what happens?

COMPANY. FAILS.

tl;dr If they don't want to go broke, they need to listen to every comment, even the most hurtful ones.

EDIT: It's also funny how you say this

"I'm new to the game and _" No you're not, you're a random smurf account. There is no way a level 15 player would make a post about Camille doing too much damage - They wouldn't even know what too much damage was yet, and they wouldn't be able to identify smurfs either. These people are scammers that tries to "prove" that the new players in league aren't enjoying the game. While the truth is they're not on boards and they're DEFINITELY not knowledgeable about balance nor do they pretend to be.

While you're posting this from smurf http://prntscr.com/lz70hm

Leaf on BushDec 25, 20181 votes

Didn't you realize how the balance team constantly has to shit on their own decision because Riot is trying to please everyone and constantly telling players that they are capable of doing everything? Then they do a little design tweak, some kind of powershift with items or abilities, but once everything got balance again, we are back to complaining and some players get annoyed by the pointless changes and the chronic complainers will complain again too, because they don't even realize that Riot is catering to them. xD

Midg3tDec 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Leaf on Bush,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2018-12-25T12:00:17.873+0000)

Didn't you realize how the balance team constantly has to shit on their own decision because Riot is trying to please everyone and constantly telling players that they are capable of doing everything? Then they do a little design tweak, some kind of powershift with items or abilities, but once everything got balance again, we are back to complaining and some players get annoyed by the pointless changes and the chronic complainers will complain again too, because they don't even realize that Riot is catering to them. xD

Please every1? srsly? What major changes were done to please us? Were RR something we, as a community wanted? Were champs like Akali or Zoe something we wanted? Scuttle change? Shutdown gold? Fucking around with ADC items? Platings? Gutting tanks and enchanters?

Leaf on BushDec 25, 20181 votes

When was the last time you seriously tried to follow patch notes? Zoe? They shifted power on her spells within not even 1 year after her release, wtf. She had like 48% winrate and everyone was still on the hype hate train. So ridiculous, so pathetic. People complain before changes are even live on the PBE. But for what? No matter what Riot changes or pretends to change to please you, it'll not make the game better and you will always get to the same point.

Midg3tDec 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Leaf on Bush,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-25T12:43:05.056+0000)

When was the last time you seriously tried to follow patch notes?

If you could explain a lil bit more that would be gucci my dude. And i read every patch note.

Midg3tDec 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Leaf on Bush,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-25T12:43:05.056+0000)

Zoe? They shifted power on her spells within not even 1 year after her release, wtf. She had like 48% winrate and everyone was still on the hype hate train. So ridiculous, so pathetic.

Not so long after Zoe's relase players saw how broken she is and that she had to be nerfed. if Riot actually reacted to the community outcry, we wouldn't need to see LCS clips of Zoe 100-0 some1 from FoW with 1 spell

People complain before changes are even live on the PBE.

Because it's obvious that the change isn't healthy/good for the game. See Akali, from the reveal of her spells it was clear as a day that her W is broken mechanic, and yet just recently they nerfed it, which is something that could be done a patch after her relase...shit, even on her relase.

But for what? No matter what Riot changes or pretends to change to please you, it'll not make the game better and you will always get to the same point.

Thats true, not every1 will be pleased with changes. But if you see that fuck ton of players, their mothers and their crippled hamsters are complaining about the same issue, then fix that issue.

Leaf on BushDec 25, 20181 votes

Thats true, not every1 will be pleased with changes. But if you see that fuck ton of players, their mothers and their crippled hamsters are complaining about the same issue, then fix that issue.

And because that works out so well we went from people complaining about old flat armor pen that had been fine for years to lethality items and reworking lethality items at least once per year. LUL Time to wake up.

Midg3tDec 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Leaf on Bush,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=pLYvsqWO,comment-id=001200000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-25T13:10:02.084+0000)

And because that works out so well we went from people complaining about old flat armor pen that had been fine for years to lethality items and reworking lethality items at least once per year. LUL Time to wake up.

I don't remember bout flat armor but i do know about lethality complaints. Now I can't rly remember how OG lethality worked, but yea I think it was nutty as shit. Nowadays players don't complain bout lethality, but more about duskblade.

Leaf on BushDec 25, 20181 votes

Old flat armor pen was pretty much the same, just stronger early game. There also was a meta where building flat armor pen on ADC's like MF or Draven to stomp early was popular. After endless QQ, Lethality was a nerf to flat armor pen in that regard. Did it change anything? No not really. MF is still hated for the exact same reasons. it was just a pointless powershift. We might as well still have the good old brutalizer just with changed price tag.

Vlada CutDec 25, 20182 votes

Lol no

Nea104Dec 25, 20181 votes

Nice try. I hardly believe you still enjoy this game.

Anyway, just have a look at your friendlist.

StephenizgodDec 26, 20181 votes

While I agree the boards is just a "fuck rito" circle-jerk toxic pit when it comes to balance, its not entirely wrong. The thing is those recycled rants and complaints all originated with a legitimate issue with the game that is only getting worse with each patch. The boards just reposts them over and over again endlessly.

Is the game in a good spot? No, this is the least fun League has ever been. Damage is way too high, turret plating was garbage upon release and is still bad (although they are aware of it and are actually trying to fix it), champion pool consists of the same 20 champions just being recycled into the top 10 over and over again with each new patch while 90%+ of the roster is near useless.

Game matches has returned to 40+ minutes regularly, but the games are still decided by 10 minutes, so its honestly worse now. At least before the game was over by 25 minutes, now the losing team has to sit through 30-35 minutes of constantly being behind and losing.

Why do I think the game is dead (or dying) because I quit playing it. I was someone who thought I would play it no matter what just because I liked the characters and the idea behind it. It gave me something to do and all my friends were playing it so we could always make it fun regardless of how bad the game was. That has changed, none of us play it anymore and it hasn't been fun for a long time. I am not saying I am so important that me quitting the game is going to have an impact, i am just one person. But I am positive I am not the only one who thought like that but ended up quitting.