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BeatzBoyFTW27 votes

"retarded"

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ModThe Djinn8 votes

{quoted}"retarded"

Boards Mods: TRIGGERED

I get that this is a popular thing to assume, but honestly most of the mod team doesn't give a fuck about what people say. It's sort of a prerequisite for a role where you get a lot of flak from people who don't agree with the rules, some of whom express that in...creative ways.

What we do care about is enforcing the rules, and ensuring that, where possible, the on-board and in-game rules align with regards to what language is or isn't okay. :)

ModThe Djinn19 votes

From the Universal Rules:

There are cases where the term "hate speech" may not be fully appropriate, but the language is still discriminatory and offensive when used negatively in regards to an individual or concept. This includes, but is not limited to, examples such as those provided below:

  • "gay"
  • "retard" or "retarded"
  • "jew"
  • "autistic"

You can call the scaling of that character a number of terms, but not one used to mock a subset of individuals. The only acceptable use of the word "retarded" on the boards is in it's non-offensive context of "to slow or delay," such as ""his progress was retarded by his limp."

Even then, I would suggest a different word choice.

XxDRAGONsAK47xX9 votes

Its funny how that word used to be the norm but now its "offensive"

People need to stop being so damn sensitive.

ModThe Djinn15 votes

{quoted}Its funny how that word used to be the norm but now its "offensive"

Language evolves. 100 years ago it wasn't really frowned upon to use a lot of things we now call hate speech.

People need to stop being so damn sensitive.

Sure, but I'd also argue people need to stop insulting each other or using disparaging terms to make fun of others.

AggressiveWolf2 votes

Why is 'Jew' censored? So the sentence, 'hes a jew' is hate speech?

Wouldn't it make sense to make 'Muslim' and 'Christian' also hate speech?

Is it because Jewish people are a relative minority compared to the other two?

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}

Why is 'Jew' censored? So the sentence, 'hes a jew' is hate speech?

Wouldn't it make sense to make 'Muslim' and 'Christian' also hate speech?

Is it because Jewish people are a relative minority compared to the other two?

That one is a bit more of an exception. You can say someone is Jewish, by all means, provided you are not doing so to imply a negative meaning. It gets used as an insult much more often than "Muslim" or "Christian" do, and that's why we have it on the list as an example.

floo5 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-11T20:22:37.278+0000)

It gets used as an insult much more often than "Muslim"

Well, be glad you don't play on EUW and encounter some tilted germans...

XxDRAGONsAK47xX3 votes

I know language evolves, but how does a word previously meaning nothing become offensive?? It's stupid. People are stupid.

Look, I'm just saying that there was a time where no one complained about any of this. Now its all I hear about.

EvilDustMan4 votes

{quoted}

I know language evolves, but how does a word previously meaning nothing become offensive?? It's stupid. People are stupid.

Look, I'm just saying that there was a time where no one complained about any of this. Now its all I hear about.

C*** used to be a medical term. Zounds used to be a very heavy word. Language just evolves.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}I know language evolves, but how does a word previously meaning nothing become offensive??

When it's repeatedly used as an insult to the point where it's primary meaning becomes associated with that insult.

xxxDogmanxxx2 votes

I know language evolves, but how does a word previously meaning nothing become offensive?? It's stupid. People are stupid.

Dude, just yesterday my 83 year old grandfather literally handed me an axe and asked me to cut up the "f*ggot" behind his house so that we could burn them in a fire. "F*ggot" as in a bundle of sticks.

Words gain meaning through usage. The widespread use of a word as a derogatory term will of course impart a derogatory connotation on that word. It's not a case of people being overly sensitive at all.

EvilDustMan2 votes

{quoted}

Dude, just yesterday my 83 year old grandfather literally handed me an axe and asked me to cut up the "f*ggot" behind his house so that we could burn them in a fire. "F*ggot" as in a bundle of sticks.

Words gain meaning through usage. The widespread use of a word as a derogatory term will of course impart a derogatory connotation on that word. It's not a case of people being overly sensitive at all.

https://youtu.be/Vi8zeaxtB-w

ModUlanopo5 votes

{quoted}

Its funny how that word used to be the norm but now its "offensive"

Lots of words were (and are) offensive to many, just not the people who "matter".

Nik Nikerson3 votes

Ever read a Mark Twain book?

Lot's of shit used to be the norm.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-11T14:30:30.734+0000)

From the Universal Rules:

You can call the scaling of that character a number of terms, but not one used to mock a subset of individuals. The only acceptable use of the word "retarded" on the boards is in it's non-offensive context of "to slow or delay," such as ""his progress was retarded by his limp."

Even then, I would suggest a different word choice.

What the hell are you talking about? This guy didn't call a disabled person "retarded", he used the figurative meaning of the word to say that a game mechanic was nonsensical. Context, people, context. Use common sense.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}What the hell are you talking about? This guy didn't call a disabled person "retarded", he used the figurative meaning of the word to say that a game mechanic was nonsensical. Context, people, context. Use common sense.

When you use "retarded" to say "nonsensical" or "stupid," the meaning comes from the implication that said disabled person IS nonsensical or stupid. Similar to how calling something "gay" to mean "stupid" derives it's power as an insult from the implication that gay people are stupid.

The context of whether he's talking about a person or a game mechanic determines whether it's an insult to the target of the statement, but it does not lessen the insult to the group inherent in the use of the word.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=000300030000,timestamp=2018-10-12T00:16:33.201+0000)

When you use "retarded" to say "nonsensical" or "stupid," the meaning comes from the implication that said disabled person IS nonsensical or stupid.

Somebody infering something that was not implied is no reason to censor a word. Also, there is no "said disabled person", that's the point.

Similar to how calling something "gay" to mean "stupid" derives it's power as an insult from the implication that gay people are stupid.

First of all, I never heard "gay" being said to mean stupid. Fruity or lame, maybe, but that's way beside the point. The point is if there is no intent to insult gay people when the word is used in that manner then there is no insult.

The context of whether he's talking about a person or a game mechanic determines whether it's an insult to the target of the statement, but it does not lessen the insult to the group inherent in the use of the word.

There is no "inherent" insult, that's the basic point I'm trying to get across here. If a disabled person was to read what this guy wrote they would understand the context too and see that there was no offense given. If they got offended at the mere use of the word, then they have a problem with oversensitivity and understanding context and that's 100% on them. As in, that's an issue they have, not an "inherent" issue with the word.

As it is used today, "retarded" has 3 common uses:

  • Saying something is nonsensical. There is no implied hurtful meaning to mentally disabled people.
  • As a response to somebody's ideas calling the ideas or the person stupid. It's rude, but it is still not saying anything about the mentally disabled.
  • To refer to somebody's mental illness in a disrespectful, dismissive and derisive manner. This is the problematic, hateful use of the word.

One use of the word doesn't taint the others. Censoring the word itself because it might piss off oversensitive people who are just looking to get offended at anything and everything they can stretch to label as offensive is limiting the ability of normal folks to express themselves, to protect unstable people from imagined offenses.

I get that censoring a word as opposed to actual hateful intent is easier, but if we're being honest, reading the word in context and moderating taking the nuances of said context into account is not that much harder.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

The point is if there is no intent to insult gay people when the word is used in that manner then there is no insult.

There is definitely an insult -- you're equating being gay with those negative traits, whether that is your intent or not. That is why the word, historically, has been used as an insult.

Quite simply, that rule is not changing.

I get that censoring a word as opposed to actual hateful intent is easier, but if we're being honest, reading the word in context and moderating taking the nuances of said context into account is not that much harder.

As above, you may disagree, but the decision of the moderation team and our Riot contacts is that this ruling is in keeping with both the in-game policy and appropriate for the boards.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00030003000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T01:02:31.265+0000)

There is definitely an insult -- you're equating being gay with those negative traits, whether that is your intent or not. That is why the word, historically, has been used as an insult.

No. The point of restricting certain language is to keep the discussion healthy by excising hate speech. And that's an endevour I fully support. But what makes hate speech problematic is the malice, the prejudice and the discrimination. The intent. If your only indicator as to that intent is the specific vocabulary somebody uses, you will find a ton of false positives like with this guy, and false negatives too. Imagine some neo-nazi scumfuck writing a paragraph on how superior he is because of his race in a polite tone with proper punctuation (I know those people aren't usually capable of this, but let's assume for the sake of the example). But since he didn't say bad words, his comment can stay.

Words don't inherently carry any meaning. If they are written down, they are just a series of symbols, if they are spoken they are just soundwaves. Their meaning comes from two places: the intent of the one who uses them and the interpretation of the one receiving them. The sender has no control over the latter, and it is unfair to judge their words based on the worst possible interpretation that could be assigned to them.

In this specific case the op was saying that it was stupidly overpowered for whichever champion he was talking about to be strong in both of whatever those stages are in the opinion of whoever he was talking about (probably Riot). This is the extent of meaning he wished to convey with his words. If somebody chooses to interpret this as him belittling the mentaly ill, they are flat out wrong. And punishing the person who had no ill will for his readers potentially assigning ill will to his words is also wrong, escpecially since he wasn't even ambiguous or unclear about what he meant.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}And punishing the person who had no ill will for his readers potentially assigning ill will to his words is also wrong, escpecially since he wasn't even ambiguous or unclear about what he meant.

I understand that you may disagree, but our rule on pejorative language is one that I do not see us changing any time soon.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=0003000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T01:48:27.775+0000)

I understand that you may disagree, but our rule on pejorative language is one that I do not see us changing any time soon.

Quote me saying that you will be changing the rules please. I don't remember it, but that's what you seem to be responding to. I'm making an argument against a nonsensical positon. If you believe me to be wrong then respond to what I'm saying.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}If you believe me to be wrong then respond to what I'm saying.

I'm not sure there's much to say at this point, frankly, because there are some points we simply disagree on, and that's fine.

But what makes hate speech problematic is the malice, the prejudice and the discrimination.

I would argue that using words that have been given that malice, prejudice, and discrimination by using them as insults AS insults means that your language inherits that malice, prejudice, and discrimination that turned those words into insults in the first place.

But since he didn't say bad words, his comment can stay.

We don't only moderate on specific words. That theoretical post would absolutely be removed.

Words don't inherently carry any meaning.

Inherently, no. I believe a word can accrue meanings through historical usage. You may disagree. C'est la vie.

This is the extent of meaning he wished to convey with his words.

Then, in my opinion, he should use those words, rather than using words that are associated with discriminatory and insulting language.


You may disagree with those statements above, and that's fine. I'm not really interested in arguing the point, because it seems like we're simply coming from different perspectives here, and sometimes there is simply a fundamental disagreement in how people view a situation.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=000300030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T01:59:13.228+0000)

I'm not sure there's much to say at this point, frankly, because there are some points we simply disagree on, and that's fine.

I suppose. Thanks for actually responding below anyway.

I would argue that using words that have been given that malice, prejudice, and discrimination by using them as insults AS insults means that your language inherits that malice, prejudice, and discrimination that turned those words into insults in the first place.

For this to make sense to me I need to know how this inheriting works. If you take a sender, message, receiver model of the communication, where do you put in this inherting mechanic that would taint the message with hate if the sender doesn't add it? Because to me the only sensible way to introduce this inheriting is at the receiver's end, and its result is a miscommunication where the meaning the message was supposed to carry is corrupted on the receiving end. And from this perspective the problem is not the message, but that the receiver assigned this inhereted meaning to it.

We don't only moderate on specific words. That theoretical post would absolutely be removed.

So you do care about people's intent, just not when it's harmless? I mean I'm glad the system isn't as dumb as I described (frankly, I would have been surprised if it was), but it doesn't seem super consistent.

Inherently, no. I believe a word can accrue meanings through historical usage. You may disagree. C'est la vie.

I mean I can understand that in some circumstances the etimology of a word would matter, but why should it be taken into account every time, why should only specific histories be taken into account rather than all of it and how fair do you think that your belief that this can happen results in distorting the meaning of people's words for no good reason? How did you aquire this belief and what's the reason you hold it as true? Because to me it looks like this:

Person 1 says something to person 2 and means A. Person 2 interprets this as A. This is what I would call successful communication. Then you come along and say, no, actually what he had to mean was B, because he used a specific word or phrase. This is what I would call fixing what ain't broken.

Then, in my opinion, he should use those words, rather than using words that are associated with discriminatory and insulting language.

But that association happens on the reader side, and that's the extent of it, association. This is where higher mental functions like reason, memory and language processing step in and identify that association to be a mistake. Let's say I had the power to turn rain off willingly. I associate rain with gloom, the sensation of cold water droplets bombarding my skin and sadness, those are the places my subconscious immediately takes my mind when seeing rain or hearing about it. But I realize that it is an essential part of nature, required for crops to grow and rivers to flow not to mention that there are plenty of people who like it and would not turn it off just because I have a gut dislike of it.

You may disagree with those statements above, and that's fine. I'm not really interested in arguing the point, because it seems like we're simply coming from different perspectives here, and sometimes there is simply a fundamental disagreement in how people view a situation.

This is a situation where agreeing to disagree makes no sense in my opinion. As a moderator this question is integral to how you do your role and if I were you I would take any legitimate criticism seriously and try to get the correctness of my strongly held beliefs across to the other party if for no other reason than to see that those beliefs can indeed stand up to the challenge of the criticism and thereby reaffirm them.

I'm in this willing to change my mind if you show to me that I'm wrong, but so far I've gotten "the history of the word should take precedence over the meaning unambigously attributed to it by the speaker" and "the words can make people associate to their actually offensive meanings". I'm sure that an intelligent person such as yourself wouldn't base their beliefs that are relevant to a supervising role they do in life on sentiments of this quality, there must be a strong argument on your side that I would like to hear.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}So you do care about people's intent...

Absolutely.

I'm in this willing to change my mind if you show to me that I'm wrong, but so far I've gotten "the history of the word should take precedence over the meaning unambigously attributed to it by the speaker" and "the words can make people associate to their actually offensive meanings."

This is what words DO. The whole reason language works is a shared understand of a word, and those words that come from a discriminatory basis therefore cause associations with that discrimination. Without that shared context, words are just sound. "Tree" only means "tree" because we use it to mean "tree."

When you use an offensive word as a negative qualifier, the shared meaning is "this word is used to create bad associations with the thing it insults, and that is the only reason why this MEANS something negative.

If you don't mean the negative association, use a different word that doesn't have it.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00030003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T02:57:21.273+0000)

Absolutely.

That quote was longer than that. Let's not start responding to out of context sentence fragments we can find in the other's messages. I'm sure we could both find juicy bits, but let's not be childish.

This is what words DO. The whole reason language works is a shared understand of a word, and those words that come from a discriminatory basis therefore cause associations with that discrimination. Without that shared context, words are just sound. "Tree" only means "tree" because we use it to mean "tree."

The ultimate goal of communication is to get a meaning across. The shared understanding you talk about is essential for words to have any utility in that process, but what's relevant here is that many words have multiple meanings and it depends on the context what these mean. Let's run with your "tree" example. If I say "That tree has pretty leaves.", you know I'm talking about a plant. If I say, "That tree is 7 levels deep.", you know I'm talking about the representation of a file system. When somebody talks about the tree with the pretty leaves, he is not making any inferences to file systems. When somebody talks about the 7 levels deep tree, even though that tree ended up being called a tree because of how it's branching structure reminded somebody of a tree plant, they are in no way referencing the plant. Their words carry no plant connotations. It is the same way with the different meanings of the word "retarded".

When you use an offensive word as a negative qualifier, the shared meaning is "this word is used to create bad associations with the thing it insults, and that is the only reason why this MEANS something negative.

The reason you take it as something negative is because you are conflating different meanings even though based on the actual text it should be clear which meaning the op had in mind. Going back to the tree example, if there was a rule against talking about plants and somebody talked about a tree representation of a file system, you wouldn't ban them for plant talk, since the word "tree" was historically used for plants and is commonly associated with a type of plant.

If you don't mean the negative association, use a different word that doesn't have it.

The association happens in the receiver, not the sender. He can't mean or not mean it. What you mean to say here is that he should anticipate the association in his readers and choose his words based on that, which is a ridiculous standard, which can best distilled to the following rule: "Whenever you say something, imagine the worst way it can be interpreted whether that interpretation is accurate or not. If this interpretation carries negative connotations, then phrase your meaning differently." I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in honest communication.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}snip

I'm afraid at this point I believe it is down to a fundamental disagreement, and I am not inclined to discuss the point further, as I do not believe I have anything to add other than that I do not personally agree with your perspective here.

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=0003000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T03:31:31.988+0000)

I'm afraid at this point I believe it is down to a fundamental disagreement, and I am not inclined to discuss the point further, as I do not believe I have anything to add other than that I do not personally agree with your perspective here.

Why? I made the reasons I disagree with you clear in the form of arguments. I didn't say that any of my beliefs in the matter are emotion based, I didn't root my arguments in any fundamental world view based sentiments. You made arguments, I countered them, you countered those and so it went back and forth on an honest intellectual level. What at this point do you think keeps us from keeping this debate up in the same civil, logical way?

zoliking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00030003000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-12T04:01:40.550+0000)

I don't think that we couldn't keep debating it, or that it was not a well-structured debate -- I think merely that my desire to debate it further is simply not there. We could definitely keep going, but at this point I do not personally find it productive, so I am opting to bow out of the discussion. That's all. My time is, ultimately, not unlimited, and I have other things to do this evening.

Hmm... for some reason this didn't show up in my updates, sorry for the late reply. Of course I understand if you don't have the time or energy to go on right now, I know you do this moderation as a hobby in your free time and can't commit time to it you could spend in a more valuable manner. But I don't want to just leave things as they are, this discussion is very interesting to me and we seem far from being able to even find any common ground. So please just come back to it when you have the time and energy and we'll pick it up from here.

TheSymbolÔfPeace1 votes

Tbh, he should have a name change as well...

Nik Nikerson2 votes

I never heard "gay" being said to mean stupid.

Obviously you didn't grow up in the 90's.

3TWarrior1 votes

i've heard it used as an insult, but never as a replacement for stupid when stupid itself served that purpose. Mainly, people used it to insult someone by saying that they are so out of place that that term must be the one to fit

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Eh... It really came down to how a person translated it. Queue Call of Duty Multiplayer for reference.

"Noobtubes are gay." Obviously it is an inanimate object and cannot actually be gay. So as a result some people just associated it as calling noobtubes stupid.

Like how I say/shout "Conflabbit!" when I hurt myself in public somehow. People may auto translate it to "Fuck!"

So, not everyone may translate gay as stupid depending on how it was used.

Alzon15 votes

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

EvilDustMan9 votes

There is an attempt to push down the use of the word retarded, it is offensive to mental disabled people.

Warlord Rhinark9 votes

{quoted}

There is an attempt to push down the use of the word retarded, it is offensive to mental disabled people.

Mental retardation is a scientific term.

What, science is offensive now?

Next, "mentally disabled" is going to be offensive to mentally disabled people.

theChibiTina11 votes

I believe the problem is that the word "retard" is used to mean stupid when the word actually means slow. People with mental retardation are not stupid. Some of the smartest people are also autistic. So using the word "retard" to mean stupid can actually be perceived as highly offensive.

EvilDustMan6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-11T13:46:37.217+0000)

Mental retardation is a scientific term.

What, science is offensive now?

Next, "mentally disabled" is going to be offensive to mentally disabled people.

You are right. Retardation is a medical term. But people also use it as a harsh insult. Retarded = bad. So you are by association making anyone with mental retardation bad. And as someone who had a mentally disabled brother, yea, the word retarded is too harsh, they don't use it for classification now BECAUSE of people using it as an insult.

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

{quoted}

You are right. Retardation is a medical term. But people also use it as a harsh insult. Retarded = bad. So you are by association making anyone with mental retardation bad. And as someone who had a mentally disabled brother, yea, the word retarded is too harsh, they don't use it for classification now BECAUSE of people using it as an insult.

As if "mentally disabled" isn't also used as an insult.

At some point, we won't even have words we can say anymore because everything will have been used as an insult at some point.

ModThe Djinn7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-11T16:09:07.730+0000)As if "mentally disabled" isn't also used as an insult.

And if you use that to insult someone/something, it'll be removed as well. There's no reason you should insulting call anything mentally disabled on the boards.

At some point, we won't even have words we can say anymore because everything will have been used as an insult at some point.

It's not like we're removing everything that can be used as an insult -- some are only hit when they are actually used as insults. We're cracking down on those, however, that derive their insulting properties from mocking or negative associations with characteristics of groups of individuals, and are pretty much exclusively used in that context.

Like, the OP could very clearly have said "I think it's stupid / silly / ridiculous / unacceptable" and basically gotten the entire point across without pejorative language.

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

Whilst yes, he could've used a different word to describe the same thing, I'm pretty sure OP's intention was never to offend anyone.

Like you said yourself:

"It's not like we're removing everything that can be used as an insult -- some are only hit when they are actually used as insults."

I don't believe "retarded" was quote "actually" used as an insult in this case.

But, it is not up to me to decide the rules.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-11T17:29:56.362+0000)I don't believe "retarded" was quote "actually" used as an insult in this case.

My point was that "retarded", unlike "stupid" or "dumb", is removed in ALL cases, while the others are removed only when used to insult. "Retarded," like other pejoratives, is only an insult due to the connection it makes to an specific quality or condition that an individual has no control over and, as such, is not okay on the boards. Another example would be the difference between calling someone "cheap" or calling them "a jew" to imply cheap. It's inherently offensive to an entire group of people, whether it's intended to insult or not.

Popstar Soraka2 votes

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ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Popstar Soraka,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T11:34:35.229+0000)

"Stupid," like other pejoratives, is only an insult due to the connection it makes to an specific quality or condition that an individual has no control over and, as such, is not okay on the boards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

And this is precisely where we as a moderation team need to make judgement calls, and where the evolution of language plays a role. :)

Popstar Soraka2 votes

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ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Popstar Soraka,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T13:21:39.044+0000)You think retarded means anything else than a strongly worded stupid/dumb/low iq or what?

I think it has current discriminatory weight that the words "stupid" and "dumb" no longer do. You may disagree, and that's really it -- neither you nor I sets the board rules by ourselves.

Popstar Soraka2 votes

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ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Popstar Soraka,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=000200000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T13:44:08.301+0000)

What is that even supposed to mean?

That in our current society those words convey a greater offense than other words that mean similar things, and that that offense is currently tied to the use of those words as insults against a certain population.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Popstar Soraka,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=V8Ar1ctc,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T14:23:56.947+0000)I forgot to ask whether you can use those words when no person with those properties can hear them?

I'm not here to tell what you can or can't do anywhere but the boards, so that's up to your own discretion.

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