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Champion Update…Update

RiotRiotSeb··69 votes·107,483 views

Hey guys,

RiotSeb here for the Champion Update team to give you a bit of insight into some of the projects our team is working on at the moment.

Karthus

In case you missed it, the Karthus Visual Update is headed to PBE! Read more here.

Twitch / Skarner

Our team’s mandate doesn’t end when updates hit Live – we aim to keep fine-tuning them until their foundational elements are sound. For example, we’re still working on a couple of Twitch’s oddities such as his ultimate rendering him unable to attack structures.

Skarner is a major ongoing focus at the moment, as his initial Gameplay Update had some issues that we’re still committed to solving. Skarner’s adjusted kit didn’t fully live of up to the fantasy players had come to expect when playing him, so we’ve been looking at ways to get back a bit of that magic while preserving his healthier new gameplay. As we mentioned in this thread, we’re currently experimenting with some passive / Q functionality tweaks aimed at increasing his stickiness, and we’re excited to see all you scorpion lovers try the changes out once we’ve nailed them down. We know this has been a major pain point for you Skarner players out there, and we’re hoping to get this next iteration on PBE within the next patch or two.

Nidalee

The huntress is a pretty polarizing figure, and we’ve slated her for an upcoming Gameplay Update focused on evening out her most abrasive elements while opening up a fresh gameplay pattern centered on a new ‘Hunt’ mechanic.

Nidalee’s current ability to project the bulk of her damage (and potentially massive damage at that) from extreme range with hardly any threat of retaliation is something we want to significantly tone down. Doing so will allow us to add some more interesting power in the form of ‘Hunt,’ a mechanic that creates interesting decision points by increasing Nidalee's overall strength against Hunted targets, especially in Cougar form. Updates to some of Cougar form’s abilities that contextualize their effects based on target and facing will further help Cougar form mature into a more interesting and co-equal component of Nidalee’s engagements.

Head over to this thread if you’d like to chat with Riot Repertoir and learn more about the upcoming Nidalee GU.

Yeah yeah Seb, but what’s next?

In the past we’ve haven’t usually talked much about our pipeline, mostly because the team was still spinning up and we didn’t want to create false expectations about how quickly updates would come out. When you’ve found out about things we’re working on it’s mostly been through early designer discussions and hints, or when we officially announced updates. And while we definitely like surprising you (and hopefully will continue to do so evil grin), we’d also like to start giving you some idea of what’s coming down the line.

Keep in mind the following does not represent a comprehensive list of what’s on our radar or even being worked on. Champion Updates are a major part of League of Legends’ ongoing evolution, and we’re committed to the long-term maintenance of the entire League roster.

A note on our upcoming aims – with Heimerdinger, Twitch, and Karthus we’re closing out a stretch of art-focused updates and moving into a period where we’re shifting the emphasis to gameplay. This does not mean we’re abandoning art; Gameplay Updates will still be supported with visual retouches where necessary, and for our more comprehensive projects we’re looking at champions with outdated / irrelevant gameplay in addition to lagging visuals (i.e. a certain undead behemoth).

Everything mentioned below is tentative, not tied to dates, subject to change, delay, cancellation, etc. When updating everyone’s beloved champions, our overriding goal is to do the job right; speed comes a distant second. Seriously, Soon™, if you try to hold me to what’s said below I’m taking a poro hostage.

Sona

Sona’s planned Gameplay Update is currently a bit more surgical than most – she’s got several existing strengths and high points that players love. Specifically, we’re currently exploring ways to make the choices attached to Sona’s basic abilities more exciting and looking at more satisfying uses of the power currently held by her auras. Ultimately, we want to condense Sona’s power into actions that create skill expression for Sona players, greater clarity of interaction for allies, and have possible counterplay for opponents. Doing so will allow us to create more meaningful moments for players with a champion that is still Sona, but with bigger pay-offs and a lot more to care about from moment to moment.

Fiora

Fiora occupies a cool gameplay space, one we’d like to further by making her feel more like a fencer/duelist both mechanically (how her abilities function) and thematically (how her abilities look, sound, and relate to her identity). Currently, Fiora is mostly an Assassin, using all her abilities to jump on a squishy target and quickly deal tons of damage in the hope of killing it dead. While we'd like to elements of that play style, we also want to nudge her towards being more of a Light Fighter, dealing good long-term DPS, staying in or near the fight at almost all times, and satisfied to switch between targets as fights change/move. This means making her more mobile and elusive in fights, with bigger periodic damage spikes rather than one large burst at the start of a fight. We also want to make her more mechanically intense (using her abilities more frequently, with a better reward for using them properly).

Sion

Inorite? Everyone’s favorite undead juggernaut is firmly in our sights and has grown into one of our biggest projects. There are a lot of challenges here - to be frank, Sion is OLD, pretty much across the board. At the same time, he occupies an awesome and iconic thematic space, so from gameplay to art to creative background we’re taking a ground-up approach to re-tooling Sion into the best possible expression of his role as Noxus’ undying champion. He’s definitely a ways out (as I said, we aim to get it right!), but we can’t wait for him to reemerge and strike terror into mere mortals everywhere.

As I mentioned, we’d like to continue periodically doing updates of this sort when we send projects to PBE or Live. We’ll also be back with more specific discussions as the above projects (or others!) get closer to completion. Until then, happy rifting!

787 Comments

CaptainWednesday505 votes
dons90212 votes

Liek dis if u cri erytiem

htyhthgtrfgsfdgg42 votes

I think thats what riot wants: A champion that is the shitiest ugliest champion in the game.

Hokaru58 votes

But we already have Poppy.

MrWub97 votes

TBH urgot is the hottest champion in the game so you keep your mouth quiet. I mean like who could resist those undead nipples.

Urgot2BKiddinMe5 votes

Honestly I love Urgot and I can still do decent. (Mid is where I feel he does best) His late game is one of the worst, however he has great early game. The way I feel like they could possibly even him out is nerfing his base damage on his Q but making it able to critical strike. This would take away that early game dominance but let him scale a lot better into mid/late game. Just my opinion, but what do you other Urgot lovers think?

CaptainWednesday21 votes

If Q applied on-hit effects (e.i. Life Steal and Crits), I think he would become broken. I think they need to shift the focus away from him being a Marksman and more of a Ranged Tank.

PinkMystry429 votes

guess someone just FUrgot

Serviper11 votes

I wonder what reason urgot was made.

FalconPaaaawnch36 votes

Riot HQ late at night. Employee holding empty beer bottle: We'll have a champion who who has like a body like 'smashes beer bottle against wall' in pieces and... and the Noxians rebuild him and he's gonna have bane's mask and crab legs and a stitched together body. 'grabs glass shards and throws them in a piles and cuts his fingers'. Everyone else in the development team: Genius! 'drunkenly applaudes' Drunk employee 2: dont forget the undead nipples. 'more applause'. Thus Urgot was made.

Grodbert36 votes

"We can rebuild him. We have the techmaturgy" RIOT Games 20XX

RiotRiot Scruffy27 votes

Just because Urgot isn't currently in progress doesn't mean we've forgotten about him. It's really the hardest thing having so many champs that need love, but we would rather do them one at a time and focus on quality rather than rush them all out too fast.

We will definitely get to him in time, keep reminding us.

ICanChoUTheWorld89 votes

Is Cho'Gath coming anytime soon? I want my favorite void behemoth to look every bit the part, and not like a wonky cockroach-dinosaur. Hopefully something like this.

Maclife15 votes

How about like the female MUTO from the new Godzilla movie, when I first saw it, I was like "Damn, so Riot's making movies now?"

JackieChanTulpa17 votes

Khazix I am Muto. give me nuclear waste to make babis

atomick6 votes

You realize that's Baron and not Cho'Gath, right?

yugireo62 votes

I'm still here waiting for the Baron Nashor from he "Twist of Fate" video...

Jamener45 votes

I think you f-Urgot something.

Ref1ex38 votes

Galio needs some love

ManifestBrestiny28 votes

poppy next, please?Poppy look how disappointed she is

Brendaddy28 votes

she's not disappointed, she's pissed she hasn't gotten a rework... look at that face

Dr Blair10 votes

It's ok just give her a lollipop and she will be less pissed and more nightmare fuel.

Hellioning28 votes

I'm really reading everything under the 'Sona' header as 'We're removing her auras.' And I don't like that. Because I like her auras. I think they're cool and a niche that I think no one else currently holds.

You really have an inconsistent track record with 'making the champion feel demonstrably like themselves' when it comes to remakes. I hope you've learned your lessons from the Karma and Skarner remakes, because I don't want Sona to become something completely different.

DuFuqIsAname3 votes

Ummm... where did you get that first quote? No where in the whole section does it say that they are removing the auras. Sigh.... Please read the whole passage before making silly remarks.

C0RNFLAKES41 votes

Ummm... That's not what he said. Sigh.... Please read the whole passage before making silly remarks.

RiotRiotSeb37 votes

I agree with you about our inconsistent record of maintaining a champion's identity through some of the updates in the past. One of the goals of adjusting our team's scope was to make sure that we have art and gameplay working together to make sure our updates are cohesive and true to the champion in every way. Before, when we had more piecemeal updates from various different teams, it was more difficult to coordinate and communicate about this.

Sona is a project we're taking very seriously because she's well liked by players and picked quite often (in general play, not necessarily in LCS). There are major elements of Sona that players really like, so we're making sure to take that into account-- that's integral to our strategy when revisiting old champions.

LemonInYourEyes21 votes

I was scared when I first saw Riot planned on a Sona rework. She was my favorite champion s3/early s4 and literally got me from bronze 3 to gold 5 during that span. I even tried ADC sona and mid lane Sona (that was fun :P). But when I started reading the forum thread and saw that they really wanted player opinions on the matter, I felt a little better knowing how much Riot wanted to maintain Sona's uniqueness while listening to comments and suggestions about how to improve her. I think the thread has recently been removed (?) or I just can't find it. Anyways, one suggestion I had was to turn her Ultimate into an aura-buff (think Karma, but instead of single-spell buff, have it be a timed ultimate that could boost effects of her other abilities and then trigger at the end). For example, her ult Q would trigger and deal magic damage to anyone in the aura, her ult w would trigger heal for any teammates in the aura, and her ult e would slow any enemies in the aura. Or just have her ultimate remain as Crescendo but have differing effects based on the last aura used. A bit of a rough concept, but I think it'd be an interesting one to brainstorm with. This would both create 'skill expression' and 'provide counterplay'. What do you guys think?

BrokenTwoPieces57 votes

Please don't nerf her... assets..

Yaddar25 votes

TARIC PLEASE?

BabyChouPro19 votes

I feel sAhri for Urgot but hoLeeSin this is cool

Tachi18 votes

Why is there no mention of Warwick on here?

Support The Wind18 votes

Thank god for the Nidalee rework... I was tired of having to deal with MASSIVE damage from her spears even from close range...

SummonedSkull1317 votes

Where is Taric Taric? I've been waiting since Garen's VU :C

InfamousMustache11 votes

The Dorito feet must go!

TechSpec14 votes

Sion WHAT IS BETTER? TO GET AN UPDATE, HEAR THE LAMINTAIONS OF THE FAN BOYS, AND STIL HAVE THE VOICE OF SCHWARZENEGGER WANNABIES

Baron von Jiggly14 votes

http://i.imgur.com/EHU8jUT.png

item 3070 it's like she isn't even existent anymore item 3070

IKaS6SUNkg12 votes

I work at Riot now?

RiotRiotSeb34 votes

I never thought I'd have to share my name (Seb-- but not Sebastian!) with anyone, and it turns out when I started working with the Champ Update team, the new dev management guy and I were both named Seb.

Always new and exciting challenges at Riot summoner 3

Trisp17 votes

How about making the champ that's supposed to be a marksman, actually a marksman! coughTristanacough. All I'm asking is that you make an ADC scale a teensy weensy bit off of AD, atleast make her E scale or something. Also I think Warwick needs a rework as well. Those stupid monkey arms make me fall down laughing every time.

Subdued36 votes

Do not. I repeat. DO NOT. Mess with my ap trist.

Killbot40 votes

Let's face it, AP Tristana is not a challenging or even really counterable champion. The bulk of her abilites are her E and R and those are literally just point and click abilities that deal tons of damage. There is so little skill in playing AP Tristana and I am really sick of its existence.

FS Volta4 votes

Ryze only diamond players can play ryze, so much mechanics needed

Noxxee12 votes

You'd think they'd prioritize champions that haven't seen the rift often: Urgot, Skarner, Kog, Galio, Poppy? Glad to see Karthus and Sion up there anyhow. I mean Poppy has been straight up bugged for the past 3 years and left untouched and is Soraka tier in need of a visual update.

Orkwuzhere11 votes

I know Yorick isn't a priority, but the guy could use a VU in the future.

Did you give Twitch new lines when he buys stuff? I just noticed he said something about maggot pie when you buy Last Whisper, or says item 3153 is "Shiny!"

CosmicDark Jhin9 votes

Fiora I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!

C0RNFLAKES15 votes

i can.

Garentheon3 votes

"A note on our upcoming aims – with Heimerdinger, Twitch, and Karthus we’re closing out a stretch of art-focused updates and moving into a period where we’re shifting the emphasis to gameplay. This does not mean we’re abandoning art; Gameplay Updates will still be supported with visual retouches where necessary, and for our more comprehensive projects we’re looking at champions with outdated / irrelevant gameplay in addition to lagging visuals (i.e. a certain undead behemoth)."

Does this mean you are slowing down on VU releases? Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.

RiotRiotSeb16 votes

Not necessarily-- visual updates are a really important and valuable thing our team works on! It's just that in between visual updates, the team will also be delivering gameplay-focused updates as well. Our goal is to bring champions up to the quality bar, whether they need cosmetic upgrades, gameplay changes, or whatever combination.

DamnItChristian7 votes

I read it more as "We're mostly done working on champions who only need visual updates but whose gameplay is remaining mostly the same, and we're moving on to champions who need gameplay updates and will give them visual updates if needed." Like, the Sona rework probably won't give her new visuals, her model's fine and suits what she is. Warwick and Sion on the other hand, need both new visuals and gameplay updates, because they're both outdated.

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