What's up with Vel'Koz?

The Soraka·May 24, 2014·1 votes·964 views

You decided to make him not OP, which is nice, but you also made him not good.

He has 3 hard to land skill shots that don't do any strong amount of damage.

Someone like Lux can easily out damage him with half the effort.

His q is slow as hell, and super easy to dodge, there is no other straightline skill shot that tells the enemy EXACTLY where it ends.

His W gives the enemy plenty of time to leave the danger zone.

His E is also painfully slow traveling.

Basically the ONLY way to deal damage is VelKoz is with his ult, and that requires perfect position and timing and teamwork from your team to line the enemy up for you, because they have to STAY lined up for a long time, unlike lux who can fire off (and not be stopped either) in about half a second.

10 Comments

WinterMage42May 24, 20142 votes

He deals high burst with AP items yo, hes kinda like Talon with less aa'ing

Hyrum GraffMay 24, 20141 votes

My thoughts:

They were testing out the new 'geometry' mechanic, and didn't want to make a champ with a new mechanic that's also OP.
Vel's not the strongest of midlaners, but have you seen him support? I'd urge you to try it. He has great peel, and his passive means he doesn't need items to to damage.

The SorakaMay 27, 20141 votes

I've play him as a support and he's bad. he can't harass because his stuff is super easy to dodge, he's like.... a Soraka who doesn't heal?

Vel'Koz, like Malzahar is TERRIBLE at being aggressive because they have stuff that is super easy to walk out of and if they can't get their combos off they don't do any damage.

Hyrum GraffMay 28, 20141 votes

His stuff is super easy to dodge

First time I've ever heard someone say that about his Q (which supp'Koz maxes first)

he's like.... a Soraka who doesn't heal?

I'd say more of a Soraka with:

More skillshots
More damage (if you land your skillshots)
More cc (especially, movement-based CC)
More burst
Less heal/mana restore
Reasonable mana costs
More range

That is to say, very little like soraka, as I know her to be played.

Vel'Koz, like Malzahar is TERRIBLE at being aggressive because they have stuff that is super easy to walk out of and if they can't get their combos off they don't do any damage.

The way that any poke support with little hard cc is terrible at being aggressive unless they hit their skillshots? You watch the enemy's movement patterns (especially the adc when they come to cs), and aim your skillshots so they have to make a choice: miss cs or take harass. This is especially easy to do with Vel'Koz, who has a unique skillshot that can do around minions, and a long-lasting skillshot that can pass through minions -> no cover. Additionally, he deals true damage that scales with his level and has good bases, so he can still do good damage without items.

I'm not saying he has no weaknesses; he needs to hit his skillshots or he's useless, and his ult is like a worse version of Malzahar's, which can be interrupted easily.

Poro PrincessMay 29, 20142 votes

No offence intended but maybe you're just bad at his skill shot? I've played Vel support in ranked (Gold level) and it went beautifully. You just actually have to hit your Qs... Sure they don't do a lot of damage, but since they don't cost a lot of mana, if you hit them you do a lot of poke damage to keep the enemy at bay.

ZaphasJun 1, 20141 votes

I'm surprised you think he can't harass. If you have the skill to land his Q's, you can harass the shit out of enemies. Especially when you get Frost Queen's Claim, you can burn that to slow enemies, and if they use a slow removal ability or a dodge, then you smack em with the Q, E, W, R combo for the kill.

KhodexusJun 14, 20141 votes

Just wanted to reiterate, with enough mana regen, and maxed cooldown reduction, Vel'Koz can throw out his spells so fast that it really doesn't matter if one or two miss now and then. He just keeps stacking up for that true damage, and nothing lasts long against that. It's also great for keeping even the sturdiest peelers or initiators at bay.

KhodexusMay 27, 20141 votes

I've played Vel since he was released, and I've always had huge success with him. I emphasize cooldown and mana regen first, and then AP. It takes a little skill sometimes to land his attacks, but I consistently stomp on enemy mid-laners, due to being able to throw out spell after spell and stack his passive over and over.

Throw in an extra chunk of true damage with Liandry's torment, and he kills insanely fast, no matter how much resist or health the enemy has. He's also got enough CC to solidly disengage or assist allies in disengaging, as long as you don't get caught out in the open completely alone.

He's quickly become my second best champion. I only do better more consistently with Xerath.

All of that said, I do agree it would be nice if Plasma Fission didn't broadcast its trajectory and range. But beyond that I have no complaints.

HamstirJul 15, 20141 votes

im not sayin ur completely wrong but he's not that bad... he has huge cc and when u said or typed that vel koz has a huge slow i hope u ment the the annoyin debuff slow and his w just need to land the slow or e to hit the second part of the w(he even has 2 charges of his w!!!) :) his w can stop channels, and i can do a decent amount of dmg,thx 2 his passive, without his ult.

sure he has low mana cost but thats coz vel haz this spaming potiential(which i luv) so really those low mana cost add up 2 wut... 200 idk coz i dont watch my mana xD... his q is pretty slow i guess but only so u can reactivate and let it split early to annoyin them with the slow xD.

sure his ult is really annoyin when ur enemys cancell it -_- but thats just how vel koz works. i luv how everything abot vel koz is pretty much useful.... even his auto attks r useful it resets the timer on the passive and the best part his auto attck and ult goes thro wind wallz xD (hy5!!!) o ya vel supp i guess it works...but he's not really a supp coz he just takes all the killz from his ult xD ik i can cancell it but its ks right(kill secured) xD

but i dont like how they made vel SO slow i mean sure ya thats his weakness but really... i mean thats a straight up advantage for zed ahri kassadin yasuo(nvm yasuo isnt that bad for me :P) akali brand(is sort of same as vel coz of the burst and the squishy but his w and stun is annoying) fizz kat leblanc and etc.

for me vel koz is just a champ thats fun to me ( i main him so i sea many unique things in him) atleast they r not gonna nerf him...right?! ps im getting battlecast vel koz and maybe creator viktor skin ♥ Velkoz summoner 4 summoner 7 item 3165 Viktor summoner 14 item 3198

ps 2.0 talon is my worst nightmare he silences(and also tps to u) slows u turn invis then yeh... u have no option but to hug tower which is borin... and just shoot Qs :) and for yasuo it doesnt look like vel's W shouldn't be blocked coz it looks like it comes from the ground and not a shooting arrow right? o well..

the point is vel is fine sure buff him if u want but he's fine...

ps 3.0 i dont like his death animation sure its... different, whichi like but just starin at vel koz without his eye is creepy :P

HamstirJul 15, 20141 votes

whoa i typed alot o_O DrMundo