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Shaco literally has a critical problem with his Deceive(Q) Patch 6.18-19

ShadowClone··89 votes·6,723 views

Im an old Shaco main with easily over 4000 games with him and i've seen all kinds of bugs happening with him all these years but so far this is the most game breaking bug on him.

So basicly every single time when shaco uses his Hallucinate(ultimate) and uses his Deceive(Q) he loses his quarenteed critical strike chance from his q if the clone basic attacks any enemy unit before the real shaco does. This bug occurs when shaco uses Deceive BEFORE or AFTER his Hallucinate(utimate).

What normally should happen is that it doesnt matter how many times or when shaco's clone basic attacks enemy champion before shaco does if he has used his Deceive(Q) to be able to critically strike. He should always be able to have his QUARENTEED critical strike(100% critical strike chance) for the next basic attack within 6 seconds of his Deceive(Q) cast.

This bug occurs against any enemy unit(monsters, minions enemy champions) as you can see from the video clips i have recorded for youtube.

This is an incredibly game breaking bug for shaco and it needs to be fixed immidiately.

This bug occurs on EUW for me since i only have accounts on EUW but its most likely global problem with Shaco's Deceive(Q). This bug also occurs at ALL times.

Bug on minions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76oXfMQk5E

Bug on champions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyVtLG7n1E

bug on jungle monsters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCAShAvvBs4

60 Comments

MrEnder20 votes

Shaco actually has A LOT of bugs =\ ive been reporting many of them for months to no avail =\

His Q doesn't properly jump over certain terrain. Example bottom lane on the purple side in the tri bush heading towards gromp jungle area. If you jump from there towards the tower sometimes he jumps towards the river instead even though he can make the jump as I've made that jump 10000 times =\

His Boxes don't trigger the passive tribute

His clone sometimes ignores orders and just starts to follow you.

Targeting an inhibiter with your clone the clone gets confused and just walks around the inhibitor for a bit before stopping and attacking it wasting time and auto attacks.

Clone often gets stuck on minions its AI is very bad

If you try to send your clone on one side of a wall while you walk on the other side of the wall the clone often tries to back track towards you taking a very long path to get to you when you didnt even tell it to come to you =\ so you end up fighting with the clone for it to listen to you.

If you Q towards a person and you have smart cast on. If your mouse is over them when you Q shaco will start to do an attack animation. loose his invisibility and not auto attack he just walks. Even if the person you Qed on or to close to was not in your sight. Example if they are in bushes and you Q into the bushes ontop of them and didn't know they were there.

I can go on with shaco bugs for a long time :(

BatchBustsMeta4 votes

YEAH! The freaking clone mannn. Just stay on the target I told u too!! holy smokes. That thing gets me killed all the time trying to just get it to do a simple task.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Shaco's boxes don't trigger the Tribute passive - This isn't a bug. Shaco's boxes are treated as separate damage from Shaco, so that Shaco cannot heal off of his boxes if he builds spell vamp. So he's not dealing the damage, so it's not procing Tribute.

MrEnder1 votes

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Shaco's boxes don't trigger the Tribute passive - This isn't a bug. Shaco's boxes are treated as separate damage from Shaco, so that Shaco cannot heal off of his boxes if he builds spell vamp. So he's not dealing the damage, so it's not procing Tribute.

Incorrect his boxes DO trigger spell vamp. So no you are completely wrong. If you get hextech rifle and put down a box you will noticeably heal.

Declined1 votes

You seem interesting, are you by any chance familiar with the boards bug reporting and have an interest in them?

I have a pretty big project over on EU about it, so is there any chance you can tell me any and all current bugs with Shaco?

MrEnder2 votes

{quoted}

You seem interesting, are you by any chance familiar with the boards bug reporting and have an interest in them?

I have a pretty big project over on EU about it, so is there any chance you can tell me any and all current bugs with Shaco?

I don't know every bug but I just happen to play shaco A LOT so i know a lot of them but after my ARAM sure i can post

Declined3 votes

Well my project is to record the bugs, and organize them somewhere more convenient for sorting, rather than here on the boards, cause let's face it, 80% of the posts here aren't about bug reporting, but posts that should've been made in Help and Support, spam, not bugs and so on.

The remaining 15-18% are actual bugs, but the report is of so low quality that it's impossible for me to figure out what's wrong and how to replicate it on my own, quite often they are also missing video proof making them even more difficult.

That's why I am actively searching for the 2-5% of bug reports that are worth it for me to log and verify (if possible).

MrEnder1 votes

{quoted}

Well my project is to record the bugs, and organize them somewhere more convenient for sorting, rather than here on the boards, cause let's face it, 80% of the posts here aren't about bug reporting, but posts that should've been made in Help and Support, spam, not bugs and so on.

The remaining 15-18% are actual bugs, but the report is of so low quality that it's impossible for me to figure out what's wrong and how to replicate it on my own, quite often they are also missing video proof making them even more difficult.

That's why I am actively searching for the 2-5% of bug reports that are worth it for me to log and verify (if possible).

(these are in no particular order)

1: Boxes don't trigger item passive Tribute

2: Clone doesn't attack inhibitors when you R click inhibitors instead they walk a few steps around the inhibitor THEN attack it

3: Clone will ignore commands sometimes when separated from shaco by a wall. Clone attempts to back track where it walked before it went around the wall to get to shaco instead of taking fastest path to shaco or instead of just listening to commands.

4: Clone will stop following champions if they step into a bush even if the clone is right beside the bush unless you have vision in the bush.

5: Clone sometimes doesn't follow the target it was told to attack after Shaco dies

6: At certain walls Q sometimes fails and jumps awkwardly instead of passing over the wall. (hard to replicate but it you jump over the exact same spot lots in one of the spots it will happen 1 out of 50 times roughly)

7: (might be intentional) Shaco's clone does not show items in his item slots.

8: (might be intentional) Shaco's clone is called "pet" instead of "shaco"

9: Clone does not receive benefits from masteries or runes.

10: Clone does not gain blue, red or baron buff if you gain buff after clone was summoned

11: Clone does not get dragon buffs

12: If you cast clone while against the wall in the dragon pit while the dragon hits you. You get sent through the wall and the clone stays in the pit (does not happen 100% of the time)

13: Blue buff golem sometimes stops animating after attacking a shaco box and the box dies but continues to do damage.

14: You can ignore damage by popping your clone at the perfect time but sometimes it just doesn't work. (very rare and usually tends to happen near baron side of river)

15: If there are no minions by a tower you can place a box near the tower the tower will then shoot the box. However if you place a box first and it enters range first and then run up to the tower the tower will ignore the box (even if its at the same range as shaco) and hit shaco instead of the box giving bad priority as pets are suppose to be targeted first. Example if you have your clone out the turret will always target the clone before it targets shaco. (unless shaco draws aggro)

Thats all I can think of for now.

ShadowClone1 votes

Most of what you have listed here are intentional or wrong. Sorry to say that no offence mate.

MrEnder1 votes

{quoted}

Most of what you have listed here are intentional or wrong. Sorry to say that no offence mate.

What have I listed that is wrong? and what is intentional?

ShadowClone1 votes

and number 15. are intentional or wrong

MrEnder1 votes

{quoted}

and number 15. are intentional or wrong

I can replicate #2 every time and its not intentional.

#3 there are videos where even pro shaco players run into this example pink ward and shaclone

#5 doesnt happen all the time sometime clone follows sometimes it doesn't thus its inconsistent and a bug.

#15 doesn't follow the rules of any other minions/pets in the game so no its defo a bug

ShadowClone1 votes

All bugs with shaco? oh gash this will take a while...

Lets start with his Deceive(Q)

  1. if you're about to basic attack a target or if you're close to a target that you want to use your critical strike on isntead of critical stricking, it simply wont do it.

  2. When you're about to critically strike a target instead of critically stricking it completely cancels the next basic attack which would have been your critical strike. This can be made quite constantly in these circumstances: If you click too many times to your target, if you're far away from ur target and your critical strike seems to try to proc on the target from far range visually this may occur.

Jack in the box(W)

  1. Shaco's boxes dont always properly fear the target that comes close to them with specificly dashes. For example if you stack 2 boxes next to or on top of each other, theres almost 100% chance that it will cancel every dash ability in the game, but if you only have 1 box that should also do that it never usually happens. Most of the time the box dies in middle of the fear animation if its a damage dash that for some reason the box wasnt able to fear fast enough at the proper range of the fear.

Two shiv poison(E)

  1. Sometimes if an enemy unit runs into fog of war and shaco has casted his shiv on them it doesnt go on them. You can hear the sound of the shiv flying through the air and you can even see the animation of the shiv flying through the air but it simply didnt go off after all that. It also doesnt go on cooldown after this bug happens.

Hallucinate(R) (I wont tell about this bug in this report here)

  1. Sometimes when shaco has used his ultimate the clone stops from being controlled by pressing ALT on keyboard and instead of being able to be controlled it will either stay still or start to follow the real shaco.

  2. When you view shaco's clones statistics it has base movement speed instead of the added on movement speed from runes and masteries.This also affects it mechanicly meaning that the clone itself is as fast as the movement speed items make it.(so baicly if i would have lets say 361 movement speed level 1 without boots because of my runes or masteries, it would still mean that my clone's movement speed would still only be 350)

Those are all the big ones that are in the biggest need of fixing as well as obivously the bug mentioned in this bug report.

Im the same person who posted this same bug report on euw servers too btw, and i got a whole lot more views in here. Was a very good idea to post it to the NA servers too.

Declined2 votes

There's a lot more bugs than just that currently, I believe it has something to do with the behind the scenes coding Riot is doing in preparation for the Assassin patch.

MrEnder1 votes

{quoted}

There's a lot more bugs than just that currently, I believe it has something to do with the behind the scenes coding Riot is doing in preparation for the Assassin patch.

I'm aware I just named off some of the first ones I thought of that were bugging me that came to mind XD

Tyto Mors2 votes

ya, that needs to be fixed now, that crit while clone is up can be the difference between dying and living.

also, im not sure if this is still in game, but have you noticed that if you deceive then place a box and let it hit a monster, you wont crit on monsters after?

ShadowClone1 votes

Thats not how that bug works, but hes got a very common bug with his Deceive(Q) where if u basicly use your Deceive(Q) on a short range and immidiately do a basic attack, your next basic attack wont be a critical strike. Due to the fact that the game thinks u cancelled your Deceive(Q) tought u used it so fast and on short range that its going to fuck up and do a normal basic attack. This nearly always happen on the right circumstances.

Tyto Mors3 votes

{quoted}

Thats not how that bug works, but hes got a very common bug with his Deceive(Q) where if u basicly use your Deceive(Q) on a short range and immidiately do a basic attack, your next basic attack wont be a critical strike. Due to the fact that the game thinks u cancelled your Deceive(Q) tought u used it so fast and on short range that its going to fuck up and do a normal basic attack. This nearly always happen on the right circumstances.

it might have been that one, but in general, they dont seem to want to fix any bugs on his Q. i get that shaco is annoying to play against but come on.

ShadowClone1 votes

Oh well i have published this bug report on euw and on na now and i actually already got wrenchman's questions on euw server post so we are being noticed my fellow clowns :)

Tyto Mors2 votes

{quoted}

Oh well i have published this bug report on euw and on na now and i actually already got wrenchman's questions on euw server post so we are being noticed my fellow clowns :)

thats nice to know, i up they fix the bugs by next patch, maybe they might over-correct like they did yas. but who am i kidding, if that happened shaco would be straight up deleted from the game.

ShadowClone1 votes

U know its funny how even shaco's Two shiv poison(E) has bugs on it such as the common bug of it not going off on the target to do dmg alltought u can hear the sound effect and see the projectile :)

Tyto Mors1 votes

i dont think if seen that one, unless its when you get stunned after casting it, or when you die when using it. i think those are the only scenarios that i can think off, but i think its generally the second one that i remember happening.

EDIT: i have only realized your name now................ im retarded.

ShadowClone1 votes

"Im an old Shaco main with easily over 4000 games with him" i wont self advertise but im pretty well known haha, this crit bug drives me crazy tough hurts his 1 v 1 potential and any outplays with his clone incredibly much its insane good thing im getting a lot of support for these posts maybe riot will answer me sooner or later.

Tyto Mors1 votes

never once heard of you..... feels bad. i think ive only heard of two shacos mains, one being NA and the other being shaclone who i think is EUW. but ya, i agree.

shacos clone tho, pisses me off sometimes, at the very least when you die, it could auto attack things around it until they disappeared from sight. or fucking something instead of just standing still or just following someone until they disappear. im not saying that we should be able to control it, but fuck, only retards stay near clone or dont know how to walk to a bush to get it to stop chasing.

btw, have you ever noticed that if clone is away from you, it will not attack wards even if you command it to? it well just start to run back to you. maybe this is how the clone works in general, but i dont think so.

P.S: while i have you here, do you know any spots other then dragon wall that you can use ult to hop over?

ShadowClone1 votes

U can actually hop over any wall that is around the size of that baron or dragon wall, but what sucks about it is that its completely luck based. I've tried that mechanics in so many occasions during my time in league that i would say honestly it works around 20% of the time at best.

Maybe the funny part is that sometimes its ur clone that hops over the wall and u stay put and in 1 occasion i managed to both jump over a wall but im pretty sure that was one of the only euw lags back in the day.

ShadowClone1 votes

and shaco's clone has never been able to basic attack wards and for example annie or any other champion that can spawn a living creatures with their abilities die ones the "host" dies so its actually pretty unusual for shaco's clone to be a rare exeption to this.

Tyto Mors1 votes

annies tibber rages until he dies. they could at least make his clone explode when you die then. because again, only idiots cant handle a clone after shaco dies.

Tyto Mors1 votes

i think it depends on which way your looking when you pop ult. so you could send clone over wall if your looking one way but on the other side you would go over wall. but thanks for sharing that with me, i only tried to do with with drag since it was the only time i needed to do it.

P.S: the first time i did it was pure fluke, i was trying dodge an ability while i was near drag wall and i happened to go over wall. laughed my ass off cause someone almost died killing the clone. fucking used all their cc on clone a full sec after i dipped.

ShadowClone1 votes

Unfortunate this is false nowdays since the changes on shaco's ultimate cast. Back in the day hes clone would always face a certain direction from shaco this would make it easier to predict where u go after u have used ur ultimate, but nowdays its changed to complete random positioning. Really sucks.

Tyto Mors1 votes

im just really lucky then, nice. if what you said is true, then its a double-edged sword.

ShadowClone1 votes

Its all in my head(memory) i mean u can read patches too i guess gl finding that.

Tyto Mors1 votes

i tried that once when looking for when they added nocs new passive on his E(fear), i could not find it, not going to do the same with that which is probably even further back.

Choaru2 votes

Hopefully during the Assassin update they will address all the bugs :X maybe give him new splash arts as well? ;-;

sadboiPrime3 votes

Shaco just got a new splash art.

Choaru2 votes

sorry I didn't clarify....i meant for his skins. They just seem kinda awkward compared to his "Original" skin.

ShadowClone1 votes

Originals on his skins were amazing now they look so bad imo

crippler382 votes

RIP nutcracko army

Drahcir2 votes

INB4 "feature"

Rage of Face2 votes

I just wanted to say... 'QUARENTEED'!

TheShashi2 votes

+1 for actually being productive and efficient. Plus look at all the video evidence

General Esdeath 1 votes

But does the reduced damage still apply or all all effects of his Q used on the clone? Does it crit?

ShadowClone1 votes

Unfortunately this is not the case, the critical strike dissapears completely without adding any bonus dmg to shaco's clone's first basic attack.

General Esdeath 3 votes

That's a really bad bug. I could see why it happens but I hope Riot fixes it soon.

Anime90011 votes

If I'm being honest, I'd say his most gamebreaking glitch is one of the few that work in his favor, the one where you double stack the boxes that allows him to fear literally anything including enemies doing animations/attacks are can't be cc'ed. I mean, it's literally creating an interaction that's supposed to be impossible in the game and are meant to be advantages to a lot of these moves.

Now, I'm not asking them to fix it or anything because I find this interaction awesome. I'm just saying I find this more gamebreaking than this :p

Lucky Moniker1 votes

I noticed this last night with Spellblade effects as well, or at least iceborn, when I ult, the clone applies the effect but I dont

ShadowClone1 votes

Thats intentional but the point is that the clone's first basic attack simply steals the critical strike without itself dealing anymore dmg than usually with notmal basic attack.(the clone that is)

Lucky Moniker1 votes

Okay I get it now, pretty dumb imo but at least it's consistent

Azure Magus1 votes

this bug allows his Clone to apply all Sheen procs

Azure Magus1 votes

as well as hextech revolver procs- ppretty funny playing ap shaco and using my clone to auto while they chase the real me- cast a spell every 2 seconds and the clone actually chunks them down with a lich

ShadowClone1 votes

It isnt this bug, hes clone has always been able to proc on hit effects and even if the shaco's clone would steal the critical strike of the real shaco for himself it would be quite bs in clutch situations where you do not have enough time to take the clone away from the target for you to do 100% of ur ad's proper critical hit with the real shaco instead of the clone, which does 75% of shaco's dmg and DOESNT apply shaco's backstab passive either.

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