Yasuo was diving under a turret. Jayce used his melee form E to knock Yasuo away, activating Yasuo's passive shield. The shield wasn't broken from the damage and when Yasuo died, about 3 seconds after Jayce's E, he got executed.
Surely you should be given kill credit even if the damage got mitigated considering you cc'd your opponent?
Vaati00656 votesIt's probably not a bug, just a questionable design decision. If this is a bug, its been in the game for YEARS. The assist policy on shields is simple: if you damage a shield, and that shield is then BROKEN (by you or someone or something else) then you get assist/kill credit. If you damage a shield, and that shield EXPIRES by timing out, then you do not get assist credit; doing as much damage as you did when you did made no difference. In this case, I suspect the slow-mo would show the shield expiring immediately before the tower shot hit Yasuo. I would argue that you SHOULD get assist credit in this specific situation because you did CC him by knocking him farther under the tower, because its also the policy that applying non-damaging CC to someone will give you assist/kill credit. But idk.
Actually now that I think about it, this totally IS a valid bug and should be explored further. Upvote from me.
Spicy Rice4 votesI mean, it isn't really a bug, since Jayce essentially did 0 damage to yasuo. Even though he attacked yasuo, all he did, was proc the shield, which the tower would've ignored.
The only case I could see for this being a bug is the cc not causing jayce to get the kill.
Jayce essentially made his tower have to do more damage to kill yasuo
manbearswine4 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=o970kqUi,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-08T19:01:02.739+0000)
The only case I could see for this being a bug is the cc not causing jayce to get the kill.
Things like blitz's hook(and a bunch of other crap I forgot about, I haven't messed with this in years, I think janna's tornado also works this way) will still grant a kill/assist even if they don't break a shield and no other damage/effects are applied.
Zyra's second ult proc(unless it was changed), also won't grant an assist/kill, even though it's damageless cc.
It very much is a bug but it's not yasuo specific, and applies to all shields. Also I forgot how damage/cc interacts with morgana's shield, but I'm fairly sure it was stupid and incosistent as well.
Anyway, applied cc not giving an assist/kill is definitely inconsistent, and considering the changes made(making more abilities give assists), this is the exception and not the rule. So a bug.
GigglesO2 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=o970kqUi,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-08T19:01:02.739+0000)
I mean, it isn't really a bug, since Jayce essentially did 0 damage to yasuo.
You are technically right. 0 Damage is 0 damage. Probably less of a bug, and more of a "working as coded".
Ripikou2 votesI'd argue in any situation you should get a kill or assist. The way shields are treated is just beyond special. If you want it to be that stupid then why stop at shields? If you damage someone and that damage gets mitigated by a heal, then no kill or assist credit for you.
Fondling Gems1 votesSee I don't quite agree with that, because it means that resources had to be burned to heal off that damage, whereas hitting a champion's shield then having it expire means you literally did nothing to them in the first place.
They are definitely two different situations, but I believe that for the sake of clarity damaging shields should give an assist.
Ripikou1 votesand i disagree with yours. because you did do something. X put a shield on then and burned their damage mitigation and you burned your time doing damage. To say you get nothing means your time is LITERALLY wasted. May as well pitch a tent and circle jerk until its gone, at least you'll get something out of it.
Automated Riven1 votesThey changed it a while back so that damage on a shield doesn't count as damage to the champion. So if your shielded and take damage the damager will not get kill credit. It also won't stop recalls.
Hethalean35 votesSmall indie company /s Though seriously, I would think that you should have gotten kill credit. Shielding should not mean you did nothing to someone.
BurakkuRozu917 votesIt's basically a free guardian.
Lunar Strain16 votesDamage on shields doesn't count for an assist. It's always been like that, except on barrier. Barrier is the exception.
(Edit) wait yeah he displaced and slowed Yasuo. That 100% should've given kill credit and is a bug.
Backup4now7 votesThis one probably IS a bug, because CC should grant kill participation. Unless I'm mistaken and things like Elise cocoon don't grant assists.
GhaelWinds8 votesThis one probably IS a bug, because CC should grant kill participation. Unless I'm mistaken and things like Elise cocoon don't grant assists.
It has stealth 1 true damage.
TehNACHO1 votesTrundle Pillar too!
Backup4now1 votesI'm aware that certain non-damage moves deal stealth damage to grant assists, but i'm pretty sure they work through shields. All abilities that should grant assists should get the same tag.
Automated Riven1 votesI believe it's pure damage. Rather then true damage.
Kazo Kurosu5 votes"Working as intended" ~Riot, probably.
NichtHurz6 votesIt actually is, just like shields can prevent enemies from cancelling your recall if enemies don't do any damage beyond the shield value iirc.
PB4UAME1 votesBut he also hard CCed him, and slowed him. CCing alone grants assists, and should grant him the kill here. It is indeed a fairly serious bug. This would be like Elise E'ing someone under a tower during a gank and not getting an assist from it.
Hell, even Trundle pillar gets kills/assists/draws tower aggro, despite it not having any damage at all, and just a slow field.
DoomRPG4 votesActually Pure CC abilities. Like Trundle Pillar Anivia Wall and elise Cocoon All deal a stealth 1 true damage. The reason for this is that CC does NOT grant kill participation. Even if it can secure kills. Instead of programming them to do so. Riot just added damage
crippler381 votesPretty sure they did that with the center of Veigar cage too.
Malak4 votesActually Pure CC abilities. Like Trundle Pillar Anivia Wall and elise Cocoon All deal a stealth 1 true damage. The reason for this is that CC does NOT grant kill participation. Even if it can secure kills. Instead of programming them to do so. Riot just added damage
sounds like Riot's solution to everything is to add more damage
BugsLivesMatters2 votessounds like Riot's solution to everything is to add more damage
Why isn't this upvoted more? Gonna need some ice for that burn Rito
GigglesO2 votes
rtbf2256182413 votesNot to mention that the turret...didn't..affect the shield at all when it...normally does.
Why...what?????
Lunar Strain1 votesThe turret doesn't proc the shield, but it does damage it. That's generally better for Yasuo's enemy except in edge cases like this
rtbf2256182411 votesYeah while he is ulting. That's some serious inconsistency.
Flawless Fetus1 votesWhat is inconsistent? That his shield cannot be proc'd by towers, but is always damaged by it? Lol. What is inconsistent.
rtbf2256182411 votesThe shield normally triggers upon turret shots but except when he is ulting, it ignores the shield and attack Yasuo's actual health bar first.
Sacred Math3 votesJust delete Yasuo until the rest of the kits are as stacked as his.
VegetaPrince22663 votesI dont understand why a champ like yas who already has unlimited mobility, armor ignoring ult damage, CC ,Burst Damage, AOE damage , a counter to anything that isnt a melee attack, also gets a "Get out of jail free card" shield by walking. Wtf....
LOLOL3 votesOr just delete Yasuo. He really has done a number on my ability to enjoy this game.
Pika Fox2 votesThis is a really old debate from way back when. Popping banshees didnt grant assist credit, even though it was necessary. Good times...
PICKLE RICK REEE2 votesThe CC should have given you the kill considering it would give you an assist if a teammate killed him
3TWarrior2 votesis it me or does that yasuo look like he's scripting? Flash, prepared Q, ult in the span of under half a second and then a maximum distance Q
but yeah, yasuo's shield is really high. it caps at 510 and has over 200 at level 6
Salamencę6 votesis it me or does that yasuo look like he's scripting? Flash, prepared Q, ult in the span of under half a second and then a maximum distance Q
but yeah, yasuo's shield is really high. it caps at 510 and has over 200 at level 6
I really hope you're joking lmao this play is nothing special
3TWarrior1 votesif it's not scripting, it's really dang impressive. The yasuo EQ'd, immediately flashed the instant the spin animation started for aoe damage against the jayce, triggered another E, ulted while they were still in the air and then windwalled at literally the exact instant the Jayce landed and fired his Q then lands a max distance Q hit
Beacon Academy2 votesIt looks more like mental briefing for initiation and prediction of Jayce panic spamming abilities for windwall to me.
Its essentially a flash tibbers with more steps and then a molten shield timed for when the CC ends for mitigating retaliation for example.
HungryAngry2SPP1 votesLook at Yassuo on YT. He does this trick pretty often, and tbh it's not so hard to do.
French Courtesan2 votesYasuo has safe nets like ult positioning him outside turrent range, shield that doesnt count low damage as damage dealt to him and many more to make him good in hands of even most unskilled and borderline retarded player so weaboos can play their fantasy without any trouble. Dont even dream if this being fixed because stuff like this has been reported years ago and nothing at all has been done about it.
crispy661 votesshield that doesnt count low damage as damage dealt to him and many more to make him good in hands of even most unskilled and borderline retarded player
if that's true then the feeding yasuo meme wouldn't be true, because almost every yasuo feed their asses off
French Courtesan1 votesDude thats why its a meme. You dont make meme out of something ordinary. Feeding as Yasuo is extraordinary, you actually have to try your hardest to suck. No other champion gets such training wheels. You can see so many failing Ryzes, Azirs, Akalis and noone memes about it. Because sucking on those champs is actually easy.
crispy661 votesNaw dude this is actually based on real time experience it is highly common for yasuo players to feed real hard, i encounter that, other people encounter that, that's why it became a meme because it's too frequent HOWEVER i think the main reason for that is because he has a high pick rate compared to everyone else.
Automated Riven2 votesYa, but there is also a 0-10 powerspike meme that has some semblance of merit as well.
crispy661 votesyou're right there's one and i did experience that as well
Stars Shaper1 votesYou always Q-E or W-E as Jayce exactly to avoid shanenigans like this.
Zach xD1 votesOn one hand, you can channel Recall with a shield on, be hit, and continue recalling as long as that damage doesn't exceed the shield amount.
On the other, getting executed after being spotted by enemy Kalista's sentinel grants her kill credit.
Stuff's whack lol
Zedex1 votesShields have done this since games release, its not exclusive to Yasuo.
CC does give assists, for example Trundles Pillar of Ice, deals 1 true damage so he can get assists with it. However, Jayce does his moves base damage and the displacement. The base damage (the part of the move which would reward him with participation) was blocked by Yasuo's shield, and as such doesn't give him credit.
Mokiller51 votesIn all honesty I see an outplay. he landed the Beyblade and got out clean, sure you knocked him back but.....still.
