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not sure if i should put this in player moderation or here....but what is the max for magic pen?

purrrf3ction·Dec 23, 2016·1 votes·990 views

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does anyone know what the max magic pen is? these were my runes for this game below as well as a link to the runes that i used im sure you can check it from the match history but figured i would save everyone the time by linking it and uploading anyways cause why not

http://s70.photobucket.com/user/neopets_acc/media/runes.png.html?o=0

http://s70.photobucket.com/user/neopets_acc/media/magicpen.12.22.2016.png.html?o=1

since it is pretty maxed out on the magic pen it should work against tanks right? idk if it was scripts or anything but tbh im not sure if it is fair if there is no counter to tanks with at least magic pen i know you cant counter tanks with all ap so i figured i would use magic pen since magic resist and health fully counters ap i didnt think that tanks can counter magic pen...evn if they get magic resist or health... but please let me know if i got any information incorrectly and if this belongs to players moderation i will repost.

thank you for taking the time out to read this but i was curious how to counter tanks with ap items since i know magic pen is an ap item very similar to ap items being dmg items

10 Comments

Tactical PoroDec 23, 20162 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_penetration

That's a helpful link that will explain everything you need to know.

purrrf3ctionDec 23, 20161 votes

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http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_penetration

That's a helpful link that will explain everything you need to know.

tbh i wanted a riot link or something since i know there isnt a limit on ap but if someone is full tank mr and health then how will ap ever work....? haha

MelledoneusDec 23, 20161 votes

MR is only damage reduction that becomes less effect the more you have. HP allows tanks to eat more damage. Damage always outscales tankiness.

Darius, for example, is a juggernaut. Not a tank. He heals a lot, and SV makes him tankier than he already is. Morello's, Liandry's, Rylai's would destroy him. Void staff would also help later on, but your problem is not needing magic pen, it's that you were dealing with one of the scariest champions in the game when fed.

I am a tank main, and I can assure you that Zyra is one of the hardest champions to tank properly when built right. You just need a rune page optimized for the stats you need (full magic pen is something that works better on Leblanc). Play a few more games and you'll see what I'm talking about. Damage always wins against tankiness given enough time.

purrrf3ctionJan 1, 20171 votes

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MR is only damage reduction that becomes less effect the more you have. HP allows tanks to eat more damage. Damage always outscales tankiness.

Darius, for example, is a juggernaut. Not a tank. He heals a lot, and SV makes him tankier than he already is. Morello's, Liandry's, Rylai's would destroy him. Void staff would also help later on, but your problem is not needing magic pen, it's that you were dealing with one of the scariest champions in the game when fed.

I am a tank main, and I can assure you that Zyra is one of the hardest champions to tank properly when built right. You just need a rune page optimized for the stats you need (full magic pen is something that works better on Leblanc). Play a few more games and you'll see what I'm talking about. Damage always wins against tankiness given enough time.

she cannot tank haha she has no health so you gotta get movement speed and then run for your life while planting plants before they step on it haha i max cooldown, magic pen, movement speed everything else is rather useless since when you supp zyra you get no farm so i prefer to get cull to make sure as well as the ap gold income item and i recently started stacking some gold items in runes but im not sure how effective that is yet....sometimes ppl script my gold income so i think i should just get more magic pen ap is useless when they get mr runes so i stack in magic pen and some ap runes

AdeBugDec 23, 20162 votes

First, I recommend probuilds.net for rune pages, because yours is not focusing on anything in particular. and check out some guides, cus u usually get only 1 kind of quints, 1 kind of marks, 1 kind of seal and 1 kind of glyphs. Sometimes you can have 2 types of glyphs and 2 types of quints, but not much else. Marks are offensive, seals defensive in terms of health\armor, glyhps defensive like mr or utilitary like cd, stuff like that. You usually want some offensive and some defensive (health, mr, and/or armor) in every page. more in guides... My magic pen page for instance is 9.0 armor from seals, 7.8 magic pen from marks and 26 ap from quints and glyphs. An ap page is 9.0 armor from seals, 5.4 mr from half glyphs, and 26 ap from quints and marks.

Second, you were a support, so Idk what you were expecting to do in terms of damage. The magic pen items atm are: Liandry's torment, Sorcerer's shoes, void staff (the only thing you had) and abyssal scepter.

purrrf3ctionJan 1, 20171 votes

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First, I recommend probuilds.net for rune pages, because yours is not focusing on anything in particular. and check out some guides, cus u usually get only 1 kind of quints, 1 kind of marks, 1 kind of seal and 1 kind of glyphs. Sometimes you can have 2 types of glyphs and 2 types of quints, but not much else. Marks are offensive, seals defensive in terms of health\armor, glyhps defensive like mr or utilitary like cd, stuff like that. You usually want some offensive and some defensive (health, mr, and/or armor) in every page. more in guides... My magic pen page for instance is 9.0 armor from seals, 7.8 magic pen from marks and 26 ap from quints and glyphs. An ap page is 9.0 armor from seals, 5.4 mr from half glyphs, and 26 ap from quints and marks.

Second, you were a support, so Idk what you were expecting to do in terms of damage. The magic pen items atm are: Liandry's torment, Sorcerer's shoes, void staff (the only thing you had) and abyssal scepter.

im being cheap tbh haha im not buying rune pages and making builds that can work with the champs that i play haha i recently got a new rune page and my life got easier but personally when things get too easy in this game it gets boring since it is just like a bot game.... everything is predictable and boring when everyone has the same runes and items it is so predictable and easy to counter...it gets sooooo boring

MelledoneusDec 23, 20161 votes

Magic pen can be countered hard by building HP. Even if you have all the pen items, tanks have more MR than normal units unless they're not building it.

You should have gotten Liandry's early if you were having trouble with tanks rather than Void staff.

purrrf3ctionDec 23, 20161 votes

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Magic pen can be countered hard by building HP. Even if you have all the pen items, tanks have more MR than normal units unless they're not building it.

You should have gotten Liandry's early if you were having trouble with tanks rather than Void staff.

i know the max magic pen is just void stafff and idk what the limit is to stack on items but idk what limit it is to stack in runes but it is kinda of a waste if it doesnt really work since full ap can be fully countered right? so isnt there only magic pen to use to counter magic resist+health? that item is weak since im playing zyra and there are actually no defense bars on her champ....

leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zyra

but if you mean get it on karma or morg i would fully agree but full ap doesnt counter since why else would magic pen be made for right? haha

MelledoneusDec 23, 20161 votes

Flat magic pen is for penetrating targets with lower MR. Liandry's, for instance, is most effective on targets below 65 MR.

If the enemy Sion has 120+ MR but no HP, then you laugh at his idiocy and kill his squishy ass. If he is stacking HP but little MR, Liandry's is your friend. If he has both HP and MR, combine Liandry's and Void staff, then get some AP for ultimate destruction.

Zyra is more about her plants which proc spell effects. Liandry's + Rylai's melts teams when you have seeds stacked up, and tanks are no exception.

purrrf3ctionJan 1, 20171 votes

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Flat magic pen is for penetrating targets with lower MR. Liandry's, for instance, is most effective on targets below 65 MR.

If the enemy Sion has 120+ MR but no HP, then you laugh at his idiocy and kill his squishy ass. If he is stacking HP but little MR, Liandry's is your friend. If he has both HP and MR, combine Liandry's and Void staff, then get some AP for ultimate destruction.

Zyra is more about her plants which proc spell effects. Liandry's + Rylai's melts teams when you have seeds stacked up, and tanks are no exception.

i think i replied to both your comments with one comment haha

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