Blind is not affecting some autoattack augments.

Pippin254··2 votes·1,838 views

Now, I could be hallucinating something fierce here. However, I'm pretty bloody positive blind would cause things like this to miss before.

And hell, even if these aren't bugged and have been working as intended for the entire time, this is bloody inconsistent. I don't think it's near the near-randomness of what's affected by a Jax E, but...c'mon.

Tested the following... Vayne: vs. Tumble modifier, Blind has no effect. Basic attacks were blinded normally. (Damage + W proc) The first example may have been a dud: I'm not sure if the blind ran out before the AA. However, the second looks correct. This should not be right, as the wiki states that physical damage modifiers will miss as well.

Ezreal: Blind has no effect. (Damage in full) Did the smart thing here and just tested the Q instead of AA + Q. Again, I don't think this is right. It's an autoattack enhancer that applies physical damage enhancements. It...should miss in full.

Gangplank: Blind has no effect. (Damage + passive) AA + Q was easier to test here, as GP had to be in melee range anyways. Still having the AA miss + Q hit, though. In short, same as above, though if i'm not mistaken, his Q counts as a melee attack. Which, if it does, makes things even more confusing, considering...

Kayle: Blind is half effective (Block physical portion of ranged attack. Magic damage goes through) Makes sense, given the mechanics of blind. Blocks the physical, not the magical.

Nasus: Blind blocks all damage. (autoattack + Q) This...makes sense. But seems completely contradictory to Gangplank's Q.

Have not tested Teemo blind.

Am I just tripping something fierce, or did the fix screw up blind even more?

7 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Hmm... that's interesting. As far as I know, blind shouldn't block any spells, even if they apply on-hit effects and act like AA. On Nasus, for example, his bonus Q damage should go through, while the AA damage shouldn't (you didn't test that particular scenario as he hadn't gotten any stacks). For Vayne, I think it's because her Tumble cause her next AA to be empowered, such that it acts more like a spell (and I think that has always worked like that)

Pippin2541 votes

Oh tits on a ham sandwich, stacks. Completely spaced that. Score one for me.

I'll run and check that once I'm outta this ARAM.

And yeah...again, I'm not sure if this has been around for ages and I'm just now noticing it, but it really feels off. I mean, Fiora's W nullifies most all of these cases. And it only blocks autoattacks. Why isn't this following the same rules?

It's really weird.

1Rival1 votes

if you go to the league of legends wiki, it'll explain all about how blind works. You should also read about attack damage modifiers vs. spells.

Blind works on all auto attacks, include anyway the auto could be enhanced. For instance, anything that has a timer on it after you hit the corresponding keyboard, and says "on next attack". ex. vayne Q, nasus Q, trundle Q, etc... The damage portion of them will be mitigated, however the cc effect (if any) will apply. all of these also benefit off of lifesteal.

Blind DOES NOT work on Spells that are casted. These are spells that fire immediately at the target when you press the corresponding button. This CAN include things that say "applies on-hit effect". Just because a spell applies on-hit effects, does not mean it is counted as an "auto-attack". Ex. teemo Q, khazix Q, gangplank Q, Ezreal Q... as these are spells that are CASTED, rather than proccing your next auto attack. Spells also apply spell vamp UNLESS it says "applies on-hit effects", then it would benefit off of lifesteal.

Pippin2541 votes

I know this. Which is why I'm confused as to why Vayne's Q is not being blocked,

Unless I misread something horribly in your post. It's possible, I'm running on horrible coffee only right now.

Kouga2 votes

{quoted} Blind DOES NOT work on Spells that are casted. These are spells that fire immediately at the target when you press the corresponding button. This CAN include things that say "applies on-hit effect". Just because a spell applies on-hit effects, does not mean it is counted as an "auto-attack". Ex. teemo Q, khazix Q, gangplank Q, Ezreal Q

According to the wiki:

  • Blind Abilities that apply on-hit effects will also miss

So Ezreal and Gangplank's Q should miss by that definition. I haven't tested it in a while though - but they are treated as autos for most purposes, including Thornmail, Fiora's Parry, etc.

Khaz and Teemo Q, however, do not apply on-hit effects and they are completely 100% "Abilities", they are not treated as an Auto in any way. I've Q'd a Teemo as Khaz while blinded, I specifically use that strategy because it does work.

1Rival1 votes

{quoted}

According to the wiki:

So Ezreal and Gangplank's Q should miss by that definition. I haven't tested it in a while though - but they are treated as autos for most purposes, including Thornmail, Fiora's Parry, etc.

Khaz and Teemo Q, however, do not apply on-hit effects and they are completely 100% "Abilities", they are not treated as an Auto in any way. I've Q'd a Teemo as Khaz while blinded, I specifically use that strategy because it does work.

woops. I guess i confused myself when I was explaining it >.< Spells that requires you to target someone is counted as a spell, therefore is not affect by blind. Spells that apply on-hit, but are non-targetted spells, are counted as auto attacks and can be blinded.

ByIeth1 votes

Interesting.

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