Can someone save me from getting demoted. =/

Derenik·Aug 5, 2016·1 votes·628 views

1 st game, skarner top that feeds, lose 23 lp. 2 nd game, skarner supp with velkoz, lose 23 lp.

3rd game, prob gonna get Another troll champ meta and get demoted.

anyone willing to help me out? sigh

21 Comments

ThrëatAug 5, 20162 votes

The trick is to simply get so far ahead that nothing your team does matters.

DerenikAug 5, 20162 votes

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The trick is to simply get so far ahead that nothing your team does matters.

I'm sure as Diamond you can easily carry games, but I rely on my teammates right now to win, having them purposely trying something new cause they feel like it, is nothing I can do to get ahead. especially when there's a premade having this attitude of "we just want to have fun with this champ meta". Doesn't matter how fed I am, when the enemy team is just as fed. All I ask is for a normal team to not ruin other people's games just cause they feel like it.

ThrëatAug 5, 20162 votes

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I'm sure as Diamond you can easily carry games, but I rely on my teammates right now to win, having them purposely trying something new cause they feel like it, is nothing I can do to get ahead. especially when there's a premade having this attitude of "we just want to have fun with this champ meta". Doesn't matter how fed I am, when the enemy team is just as fed. All I ask is for a normal team to not ruin other people's games just cause they feel like it.

I wasn't born Diamond, so it isn't like I just have super natural powers that makes it so I can easily carry games. Anyone can do the things I do to carry games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjyO0KB7Z6g&feature=youtu.be&t=696

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4tQA-Bb2s&feature=youtu.be&t=1248

DerenikAug 5, 20161 votes

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I wasn't born Diamond, so it isn't like I just have super natural powers that makes it so I can easily carry games. Anyone can do the things I do to carry games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjyO0KB7Z6g&feature=youtu.be&t=696

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4tQA-Bb2s&feature=youtu.be&t=1248

Can't carry when 2 ppl or more make sure to intentionally make you lose. Your "carry if they troll" reasoning is funny.

ThrëatAug 5, 20162 votes

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Can't carry when 2 ppl or more make sure to intentionally make you lose. Your "carry if they troll" reasoning is funny.

Na, you just really don't realize how much 1 person can do.

In the 2nd video where I was on Sirhcez's team, look at my team mate's scores at the end of the game. They pretty much could have been intentionally feeding, since the definition we are using for 'intentionally feeding' and 'doing terribly' seem to be the same in this thread. But I was 22-2-5 so it didn't matter, I just walked around the map stomping and pushing down towers until we won.

If you think your team mates are holding you back from winning then YOU ARE AT YOUR SKILL CAP AND YOU NEED TO IMPROVE IN ORDER TO CLIMB!

In fact, your low elo games are a a lot easier to carry than my high elo games, so what your team does means even less. If I go on an unranked account it literally feels like it is impossible to lose without trolling.

NaeniaAug 5, 20161 votes

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Na, you just really don't realize how much 1 person can do.

In the 2nd video where I was on Sirhcez's team, look at my team mate's scores at the end of the game. They pretty much could have been intentionally feeding, since the definition we are using for 'intentionally feeding' and 'doing terribly' seem to be the same in this thread. But I was 22-2-5 so it didn't matter, I just walked around the map stomping and pushing down towers until we won.

If you think your team mates are holding you back from winning then YOU ARE AT YOUR SKILL CAP AND YOU NEED TO IMPROVE IN ORDER TO CLIMB!

In fact, your low elo games are a a lot easier to carry than my high elo games, so what your team does means even less. If I go on an unranked account it literally feels like it is impossible to lose without trolling.

True this. I've seen a few games where all but one person were doing horrible! But that one person carried the team anyway because they were just that skilled. However, I have to disagree with your last statement about lower elos being easier to carry. TBH, the ease of carrying a game is contingent on your skill level vs someone else's. If you're a diamond player smurfing in bronze, ofc it's going to be easier for you. However, if a bronze player plays against other bronze players, it won't necessarily be as easy because more than likely they are equally matched.

ThrëatAug 5, 20161 votes

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True this. I've seen a few games where all but one person were doing horrible! But that one person carried the team anyway because they were just that skilled. However, I have to disagree with your last statement about lower elos being easier to carry. TBH, the ease of carrying a game is contingent on your skill level vs someone else's. If you're a diamond player smurfing in bronze, ofc it's going to be easier for you. However, if a bronze player plays against other bronze players, it won't necessarily be as easy because more than likely they are equally matched.

This is what people don't understand. Being Diamond smurfing in Bronze doesn't give you any godly free stats that your champion just gets. If a Diamond can smash in Bronze then guess what, a Bronze could do the EXACT SAME THING if they are skilled enough. But the bronze isn't skilled enough,, because they are bronze, they are at their elo.

So the lesson learned is: IF you are better than your elo, you will climb - no matter what your team mates do. If you are at your elo then you won't climb unless your team mates help out.

So if you can't climb then you are at your elo. Work on getting better at the game and then you will climb.

I always see people say shit like "Oh if I was a diamond smurf I'd wreck bronzies too" but they don't realize that the Diamond isn't doing anything magical, just playing the game right.

And yes, lower elos are EASIER to carry - by far. In bronze through low plat all of my team mates can feed and it is irrelevant because of:

A: GPM B: EPM C: Mechanics D: Decision Making E: Build Paths

But if you are bronze in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs bronze if the enemy team is ahead. If you are silver in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs silver if the enemy team is ahead. If you are gold in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs golds if the enemy team is ahead. But if you are better than YOUR CURRENT RANK at all of those, then nothing your team does will matter.

People keep blaming team mates and then I see they have 1000 games at their elo and I don't feel bad for them one bit because I know they aren't getting the same team mates every single game. I have smurfs and have done the unranked to diamond time multiple times ( My smurf is P1 a few games from d5 right now actually ) and the lower elos are ridiculously easier to carry than the higher elos.

If someone gets fed in bronze, no big deal they are still behind where a player should be if they were efficient. Same goes for Silver, Gold, Plat and most D5s.

If you are doing those 5 things mentioned at a higher level than what your rank shows you at then you will climb, otherwise you require your team mates to carry with you.

NaeniaAug 5, 20162 votes

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This is what people don't understand. Being Diamond smurfing in Bronze doesn't give you any godly free stats that your champion just gets. If a Diamond can smash in Bronze then guess what, a Bronze could do the EXACT SAME THING if they are skilled enough. But the bronze isn't skilled enough,, because they are bronze, they are at their elo.

So the lesson learned is: IF you are better than your elo, you will climb - no matter what your team mates do. If you are at your elo then you won't climb unless your team mates help out.

So if you can't climb then you are at your elo. Work on getting better at the game and then you will climb.

I always see people say shit like "Oh if I was a diamond smurf I'd wreck bronzies too" but they don't realize that the Diamond isn't doing anything magical, just playing the game right.

And yes, lower elos are EASIER to carry - by far. In bronze through low plat all of my team mates can feed and it is irrelevant because of:

A: GPM B: EPM C: Mechanics D: Decision Making E: Build Paths

But if you are bronze in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs bronze if the enemy team is ahead. If you are silver in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs silver if the enemy team is ahead. If you are gold in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs golds if the enemy team is ahead. But if you are better than YOUR CURRENT RANK at all of those, then nothing your team does will matter.

People keep blaming team mates and then I see they have 1000 games at their elo and I don't feel bad for them one bit because I know they aren't getting the same team mates every single game. I have smurfs and have done the unranked to diamond time multiple times ( My smurf is P1 a few games from d5 right now actually ) and the lower elos are ridiculously easier to carry than the higher elos.

If someone gets fed in bronze, no big deal they are still behind where a player should be if they were efficient. Same goes for Silver, Gold, Plat and most D5s.

If you are doing those 5 things mentioned at a higher level than what your rank shows you at then you will climb, otherwise you require your team mates to carry with you.

You don't understand that I'm mostly agreeing with you. I'm trying to make the same point you're trying to make but in a different perspective. Yes, a bronze player could smash other bronze players but again, it's contingent on their skill level vs their opponents. But most people (no matter what division they're in) are rightfully placed there because that is the skill level they at. And I'm not saying diamond players have these magical abilities but they are more experienced than a majority of bronze players. What I'm mostly disagreeing with is when you said " If I go on an unranked account it literally feels like it is impossible to lose without trolling." You are diamond playing against mostly bronze players. They are not as skilled/experienced as you, so yeah, it will be hard for you to lose. By your logic, you're basically saying some kid who just joined his junior varsity basketball team (bronze LoL player) has a good chance of beating Kobe (Diamond LoL player) in a basketball game. No, it's just not the same. Kobe (Diamond LoL player) is more experienced and skilled than the high school kid (bronze LoL player). Now, am I saying it's impossible? No, it's just improbable.

ThrëatAug 5, 20161 votes

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You don't understand that I'm mostly agreeing with you. I'm trying to make the same point you're trying to make but in a different perspective. Yes, a bronze player could smash other bronze players but again, it's contingent on their skill level vs their opponents. But most people (no matter what division they're in) are rightfully placed there because that is the skill level they at. And I'm not saying diamond players have these magical abilities but they are more experienced than a majority of bronze players. What I'm mostly disagreeing with is when you said " If I go on an unranked account it literally feels like it is impossible to lose without trolling." You are diamond playing against mostly bronze players. They are not as skilled/experienced as you, so yeah, it will be hard for you to lose. By your logic, you're basically saying some kid who just joined his junior varsity basketball team (bronze LoL player) has a good chance of beating Kobe (Diamond LoL player) in a basketball game. No, it's just not the same. Kobe (Diamond LoL player) is more experienced and skilled than the high school kid (bronze LoL player). Now, am I saying it's impossible? No, it's just improbable.

Oh ok that makes more sense. Some people seem to think that only diamond players can single handedly carry games but don't realize that anyone is capable of doing the exact same stuff because it really isn't that hard to pull off.

Your statement pretty much just says that people don't single handedly carry their games because they are at their skill level so don't have a big impact. I agree with that part of your statement completely. The only part I'm not agreeing with is that only someone that has already climbed to Diamond can do it.

In your example there is physical conditioning involved which is going to give the professional player an upperhand. In league there really isn't any conditioning that is going to give a huge advantage but rather just knowing what to do and when, what to build and why and where to be and who to focus down.

I feel confident that if I sat down with a bronze 5 player for an hour and just told him as much as I possibly could in that hour they would be able to go into games and win 90% of their next 20 games just from fixing the stuff they are currently doing wrong and noticing the bigger picture.

DerenikAug 5, 20162 votes

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This is what people don't understand. Being Diamond smurfing in Bronze doesn't give you any godly free stats that your champion just gets. If a Diamond can smash in Bronze then guess what, a Bronze could do the EXACT SAME THING if they are skilled enough. But the bronze isn't skilled enough,, because they are bronze, they are at their elo.

So the lesson learned is: IF you are better than your elo, you will climb - no matter what your team mates do. If you are at your elo then you won't climb unless your team mates help out.

So if you can't climb then you are at your elo. Work on getting better at the game and then you will climb.

I always see people say shit like "Oh if I was a diamond smurf I'd wreck bronzies too" but they don't realize that the Diamond isn't doing anything magical, just playing the game right.

And yes, lower elos are EASIER to carry - by far. In bronze through low plat all of my team mates can feed and it is irrelevant because of:

A: GPM B: EPM C: Mechanics D: Decision Making E: Build Paths

But if you are bronze in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs bronze if the enemy team is ahead. If you are silver in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs silver if the enemy team is ahead. If you are gold in all of those then of course you are going to lose vs golds if the enemy team is ahead. But if you are better than YOUR CURRENT RANK at all of those, then nothing your team does will matter.

People keep blaming team mates and then I see they have 1000 games at their elo and I don't feel bad for them one bit because I know they aren't getting the same team mates every single game. I have smurfs and have done the unranked to diamond time multiple times ( My smurf is P1 a few games from d5 right now actually ) and the lower elos are ridiculously easier to carry than the higher elos.

If someone gets fed in bronze, no big deal they are still behind where a player should be if they were efficient. Same goes for Silver, Gold, Plat and most D5s.

If you are doing those 5 things mentioned at a higher level than what your rank shows you at then you will climb, otherwise you require your team mates to carry with you.

LOL, dude, first of all, I never said I was better than my teammates. Second, I did say I rely on my team to win. so you just got rekt hard. lol

so get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. All i asked for was help, I never stated anything about blaming besides that having trolls is making things harder. so take your "lol its easy to carry" attitude to a relevant thread. just Reading your post shows how you didnt even understand my post and not even worth writing to. you just came in to say that carrying is easy. ye gj ur Diamond, u can wreck low elos easy. gj.

im done with u, bye.

ThrëatAug 5, 20161 votes

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LOL, dude, first of all, I never said I was better than my teammates. Second, I did say I rely on my team to win. so you just got rekt hard. lol

so get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. All i asked for was help, I never stated anything about blaming besides that having trolls is making things harder. so take your "lol its easy to carry" attitude to a relevant thread. just Reading your post shows how you didnt even understand my post and not even worth writing to. you just came in to say that carrying is easy. ye gj ur Diamond, u can wreck low elos easy. gj.

im done with u, bye.

I got rekt hard because you aren't better than your team mates? I Don't see the relevance.

And to set the record straight, I added you in the past offering to help you with coaching. You then asked me to play on your second account and boost you and I told you no that I wouldn't play on one of your accounts and boost you. You aren't looking for help you are looking for someone to feel bad enough for you to smurf and carry you.

DerenikAug 5, 20161 votes

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I got rekt hard because you aren't better than your team mates? I Don't see the relevance.

And to set the record straight, I added you in the past offering to help you with coaching. You then asked me to play on your second account and boost you and I told you no that I wouldn't play on one of your accounts and boost you. You aren't looking for help you are looking for someone to feel bad enough for you to smurf and carry you.

What? Hahahaha, now you're just grasping at straws and lying to make urself look better. This is my only account. hahahahaha wow, pathetic.

ThrëatAug 5, 20161 votes

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What? Hahahaha, now you're just grasping at straws and lying to make urself look better. This is my only account. hahahahaha wow, pathetic.

Lie if you want. You had another one of these "Boohoo I can't climb" threads and I added you offering coaching. You didn't want coaching, instead you wanted me to play on another account of yours ( maybe your friend's account for all I know ) to boost you to Gold and I told you No. I said I wasn't going to risk losing my account to boost someone. You then said to keep you in mind for when I level another account. So yea, you aren't really looking for advice or anything,, you just are looking for someone that is actually skilled enough to win games at your elo consistently to do it for you.

DerenikAug 5, 20162 votes

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Na, you just really don't realize how much 1 person can do.

In the 2nd video where I was on Sirhcez's team, look at my team mate's scores at the end of the game. They pretty much could have been intentionally feeding, since the definition we are using for 'intentionally feeding' and 'doing terribly' seem to be the same in this thread. But I was 22-2-5 so it didn't matter, I just walked around the map stomping and pushing down towers until we won.

If you think your team mates are holding you back from winning then YOU ARE AT YOUR SKILL CAP AND YOU NEED TO IMPROVE IN ORDER TO CLIMB!

In fact, your low elo games are a a lot easier to carry than my high elo games, so what your team does means even less. If I go on an unranked account it literally feels like it is impossible to lose without trolling.

Let's have 2 ppl intentionally feed ur lane/enemy team then see how easy it is. You're talking about people trying to win vs people going out of the way to make you lose. But whatever you say man.

ThrëatAug 5, 20161 votes

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Let's have 2 ppl intentionally feed ur lane/enemy team then see how easy it is. You're talking about people trying to win vs people going out of the way to make you lose. But whatever you say man.

lol, when my smurf was at your elo I had 3 team mates AFK and I still won the game. You really don't realize how easy your elo is to beat.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 5, 20162 votes

You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else

DerenikAug 5, 20161 votes

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You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else

And you're worse than that so all good. :)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 5, 20161 votes

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And you're worse than that so all good. :)

lol most people dont respond correctly to that. i dont know if people dont get the reference or just arent thinking.

Maximum MordeAug 5, 20161 votes

I'll help on one of my unranked accounts when I get home later?

DerenikAug 5, 20161 votes

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I'll help on one of my unranked accounts when I get home later?

Thanks, even if I get demoted Before that, we can play if you want.