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Champion Mastery Points In Aram Games

Jaycourt··31 votes·3,143 views

I personally think that Champion Mastery Points is a great idea. But, don't you think that when you play an Aram game you should get Champion Mastery Points, for the Champions you do own when you play them ? What if you mainly play Aram ? You will have no champion mastery points which equals zero bragging rights to your friends ? One could argue: Well, what if you get a champion, you don't own, like a Champion on rotation ? Well, in some Summoner's Rift games people play champs that they don't own because of the free champion rotation, that doesn't stop the other Summoners from getting champion mastery points for their champions. Also just like in Aram games you get a reduced amount of ip maybe Champion Mastery Points could also be reduced in Aram games. Therefore. I think there should be champion mastery points on Aram for people who own the champs they are playing. Also, spread the word, send this links to your friends.

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andrewfranklin247 votes

i mean, i feel like if you play the champion, even if its on aram, then you should get mastery points for it, cause you played the champion, and theoretically get better at the champ you get

Noctius286 votes

Every mode except custom should give champion mastery, if it gives ip it should give mastery

Yliastiest4 votes

This is an awful idea, mastery points are designed to give you an indication of your dedication to a champion and give you a desire to improve. Playing ARAM is the opposite of improving at anything, sorry to burst any ARAM players bubble but it is a simplified novelty mode that makes you worse at the game.

Feyrore9 votes

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This is an awful idea, mastery points are designed to give you an indication of your dedication to a champion and give you a desire to improve. Playing ARAM is the opposite of improving at anything, sorry to burst any ARAM players bubble but it is a simplified novelty mode that makes you worse at the game.

Except that it improves plenty of mechanics like skillshots, dodging, last hitting under pressure (if you're focusing on that kind of thing), team fighting, engage, disengage (depending on what teams you end up with) target selection. It only makes you worse at the game if you don't try, but you'll get worse at the game by not trying in any game mode.

I'm sorry you seem to have some kind of disdain for ARAM, but it's a perfectly legitimate game mode with plenty of room to improve and me playing Leona in ARAM will still help me improve my Leona play just as much as if I played her in summoners rift.

Auryiel8 votes

Mmmm, well... no, it doesn't help you play Leona better in Summoner's Rift, which is the main mode. In SR you have much more options for flanking, you need to ward, you have objectives, multiple lanes, the whole laning phase which is entirely different in ARAM... There's a shit load of MAJOR differences.

I'm not saying ARAM doesn't take skill, I'm just saying it requires different skills.

This is coming from someone who plays almost exclusively ARAM (and who almost always ends up with way, way more CS than everyone else cuz I still focus so much on that it's ridiculous) : I can totally see WHY there's no mastery points granted for it. That being said, I'd still like to have some... XD

50000000000000004 votes

I feel like ARAM is solely about teamfighting, whereas SR is more about objectives.

Bouffon dAnglais1 votes

and objectives=/=teamfighting?

teamfight/pick--> objective

Feyrore2 votes

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Mmmm, well... no, it doesn't help you play Leona better in Summoner's Rift, which is the main mode. In SR you have much more options for flanking, you need to ward, you have objectives, multiple lanes, the whole laning phase which is entirely different in ARAM... There's a shit load of MAJOR differences.

I'm not saying ARAM doesn't take skill, I'm just saying it requires different skills.

This is coming from someone who plays almost exclusively ARAM (and who almost always ends up with way, way more CS than everyone else cuz I still focus so much on that it's ridiculous) : I can totally see WHY there's no mastery points granted for it. That being said, I'd still like to have some... XD

How exactly doesn't it make me a better Leona? I still have to work on things like my positioning, engage (is this a good time, can we win a fight, is anybody out of position?), disengage (Should I save my cooldowns to peel, should I use them to jump in, can I stop their push if we mess up), skillshot accuracy, skillshot dodging, all of these things carry over into summoners rift. There are undeniably skills present in both game modes that can be improved upon by the other, I don't see how this is even questionable.

Plus, flanking, warding, multiple lanes, objectives, and lane phase have literally nothing to do with your ability to play a champion, yes they are important to SR, but they are standard issue for every champion. Placing a ward or being in bot lane is no different on Leona than it is on say, Janna. Sure, the way you play them might change, but the way you play them in ARAM changes too.

I don't lose my mechanical knowledge of Leona or my game sense of when to engage just because some of my allies are in another lane, or I have to place a ward. Sorry, but this entire point is moot.

I'm not saying playing aram will make you amazing in SR, obviously there are different things present in different game modes, but to claim that playing a champion in ARAM doesn't improve your ability to play said champion, is just a ridiculous statement.

And if you're improving on your champions by playing them, why shouldn't you earn mastery points?

Auryiel3 votes

How exactly is playing ARAM helping you improve how you play Leona in a 2v2 scenario in bot lane? Does Leona play the same as Janna? What about Graves? Does your knowledge of how to play Ahri mid during the laning phase apply to Leona? Barely. ARAM does not train you to lane well and it is a VITAL part of the game. Nor does it train you to look for roaming opportunities as Leona, which is entirely different than looking for roam opportunities as Lulu. You don't look at the same scenarios in the same light when playing different champions. You don't position the same way in team fights in the various different environments of SR (lane, jungle, river, dragon pit, etc.) as Leona.

Yes, you get better at certain things, but you lack experience in other very important areas. This point is most definitely NOT moot.

But, honestly, if you think knowing how to play Janna gives you sufficient insight into playing Leona, then we fundamentally disagree.

Feyrore2 votes

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How exactly is playing ARAM helping you improve how you play Leona in a 2v2 scenario in bot lane? Does Leona play the same as Janna? What about Graves? Does your knowledge of how to play Ahri mid during the laning phase apply to Leona? Barely. ARAM does not train you to lane well and it is a VITAL part of the game. Nor does it train you to look for roaming opportunities as Leona, which is entirely different than looking for roam opportunities as Lulu. You don't look at the same scenarios in the same light when playing different champions. You don't position the same way in team fights in the various different environments of SR (lane, jungle, river, dragon pit, etc.) as Leona.

Yes, you get better at certain things, but you lack experience in other very important areas. This point is most definitely NOT moot.

But, honestly, if you think knowing how to play Janna gives you sufficient insight into playing Leona, then we fundamentally disagree.

I gave you an entire list of things that ARAM helps you improve that are all vital to your all important 2v2 scenario. If you can't hit a skillshot or you can't dodge a skillshot effectively, you're probably not going to win a lot of lanes. I feel like you've entirely missed (or perhaps ignored) my point. You literally, in your response say "Yes, you get better at certain things"...things that are applicable to both SR and ARAM, and that was my entire point.

The fundamental skills of a champion such as skillshots, movement, hitbox, dodging, engage, etc (which champion mastery is for) can be practiced/maintained/developed in ARAM/Dominion/SR all the same. I don't see how talking about laning phase, or ward placement is relevant to a discussion about ARAM and champion mastery because those things don't tell you how well you know how to play your champion. You might know exactly where to ward and when to ward and where to be on the map, your vision and game sense may be the best in the world, but if you never hit an ult and whiff every "Q" on bard, you're probably not a very good bard.

It's not called "Lane phase and map awareness mastery" it's called "Champion Mastery" and SURPRISE, you play champions in ARAM too.

And I never said playing janna gives you sufficient insight into playing any other champion, nor did I imply it. Misrepresenting my points (be it on purpose or accidental) doesn't make your argument hold water.

Auryiel3 votes

You say I completely missed your point when you do this exact thing XD

I actually acknowledged your point. I admit that there are certain things that you can practice in ARAM that make you better at playing a champion, however I added that playing ARAM and SR are two totally different experiences and that playing one mode or the other does not help you learn how to play a champion IN THE OTHER MODE. You seem to consider that the massive differences between the two modes are irrelevant to mastering a champion. I disagree for reasons I have stated above. ARAM lacks a lot of subtleties of SR that are as much part of just knowing how to play on SR as they are part of mastering a champion.

And the fact that you think that ''Champion Mastery'' doesn't include laning phase just proves that you and I have completely different views of what it means to master a champion.

And by the way, you said that ''being bot lane as Leona is no different than it is on Janna''. How is one supposed to interpret that? If you're body blocking for your AD carry and looking to threaten a Draven with spinning axes in hand as Janna because that's how you play Leona you're gonna get wrecked. Being bot is a very different thing depending on who you are. That's pretty damn obvious, so maybe that's not what you meant.

Feyrore4 votes

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You say I completely missed your point when you do this exact thing XD

I actually acknowledged your point. I admit that there are certain things that you can practice in ARAM that make you better at playing a champion, however I added that playing ARAM and SR are two totally different experiences and that playing one mode or the other does not help you learn how to play a champion IN THE OTHER MODE. You seem to consider that the massive differences between the two modes are irrelevant to mastering a champion. I disagree for reasons I have stated above. ARAM lacks a lot of subtleties of SR that are as much part of just knowing how to play on SR as they are part of mastering a champion.

And the fact that you think that ''Champion Mastery'' doesn't include laning phase just proves that you and I have completely different views of what it means to master a champion.

And by the way, you said that ''being bot lane as Leona is no different than it is on Janna''. How is one supposed to interpret that? If you're body blocking for your AD carry and looking to threaten a Draven with spinning axes in hand as Janna because that's how you play Leona you're gonna get wrecked. Being bot is a very different thing depending on who you are. That's pretty damn obvious, so maybe that's not what you meant.

If Champion mastery should revolve around things like wards placed, "flanking" and how well you do in lane phase then it shouldn't be called champion mastery, it should be called "Map Mastery" because that's what it is, your ability to play a champion does not deteriorate just by switching game modes. That's really all there is to it. I am no worse on any given champion in summoners rift than I am in Howling Abyss or Dominion, and playing a champion.

If I'm dying more or being less effective it's more than likely a matter of not knowing the map. I'm not arguing that this isn't true, but it's irrelevant. You are not worse on a champion in one game mode than the other simply by virtue of it being another game mode.

And the reason I said "being bot lane as Leona is no different than it is on Janna" is because you were claiming that just because there is "Multiple lanes" on summoners rift it somehow gives you more knowledge of a champion. All I meant by my comment was that simply by being in bot lane as opposed to the ARAM map doesn't suddenly change my ability to play a champion, because again the factors like "flanking, warding, vision control" are not champion specific factors. Leona doesn't place wards faster, slower, or farther than any other champion.

Yes the way you play janna and the way you play leona bot lane is different (just like in ARAM), but the fact remains that just because there is a bottom lane, as opposed to just one singular lane it doesn't mean you improve on either champion any better. The point of that statement was to show that the things you were originally claiming (Summoners rift has multiple lanes, summoners rift has flanking) while accurate, don't actually improve your "mastery of a champion".

Even though these things are important (and they are important to summoner's rift), objectively, they don't tell you how well you can play a "champion".

The overall strategy of SR you choose on similar style champions is probably pretty similar, if I told you I was playing a champion and I was the best at roaming with them, getting picks, being tanky, and setting up vision could you tell me what champion that was without question?

Now if I told you I was playing a champion and I was the best at hitting hooks, landing flays, and getting my allies out of trouble could you?

So which one is more integral to champion identity and mastery? Knowing how to play a map? Or knowing how to play a champion?

Silents4294 votes

They said no because they would have to rebalance the system for ARAM

As well as making an entirely new mastery system exclusive to ARAM since being good on ARAM isn't the same as being good on Summoners Rift.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

I would vote against that, personally. While you learn some aspects of the champion, the game-mode is rather limited in comparison to Summoner's Rift. You don't learn anything about laning, ganking, flanking, splitpushing, rotations, objective control, or applying pressure as the champion and many opportunities are closed to you.

Most of what you really learn from ARAM (regarding Champion Mastery, at least) is a limited form of team-fighting. However, these fights don't allow for the possibility of flanks, controlling vision, ambushes, or contesting objectives; you just face off with one another and poke until someone gets caught or initiates a fight in the middle of the lane.

While you get some experience with the champion, much of it is irrelevant to the primary game-mode and that experience is lacking or incomplete in many respects.

Perhaps they could set up a second Champion Mastery system specifically for ARAM (possibly Dominion and Twisted Treeline while they are at it), but I don't believe that the system should be shared across game modes.

Rew7112 votes

I thought I saw a Riot post that they were messing around with it but can't remember.

Breast Emperor2 votes

Maybe create separate Mystery Points System for ARAMS ?

Adem1642 votes

Stupid Idea noob get rekt

Adem1641 votes

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Adem1641 votes

Hi jaycourt

Adem1642 votes

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Hi jaycourt

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