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Tank Buffbeard··2 votes·1,555 views

Hi everyone and welcome I am themarine257, and this is my thread. Today you are gonna read about me goin on a rant about a lot of stuff that will make some of you think that I am an idiot, but actually I am doing this to make Ranked easier and more fun for fellow summoners.

RANKED SHOULD BE TEAM BUILDER!!!!!! How many ranked games have you guys played where people are always fighting over what lane they wanna play? Me, i have had hundreds, and it still happens. There may be a few games where everyone gets the lane they want that is like 10-20% of the time. The rest 80-90% we always have people arguing and then they play a lane or they troll. Aren't you guys gettin tired of that? I know I am. So, ranked should be team builder. Summoners go in team builder, pick their lane pick their status (assasin, marksmen, tank, support, etc.) and then go into banning champs and then picking the champs they wanna play in that lane. yes people might still troll and might go Jarvan IV and Garen bot lane, but hey. At least we don't have people fighting over lanes.

WHY AM I MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS?????? We'll, if you really want to know, it took me hundreds of games, numerous amounts of hours to get out of bronze (elo hell). Oh man, I can't tell you how long it took me to get outta bronze, and now in silver which i thought would be better it is actually worse. In bronze people sometimes actually listen, in silver NO ONE FUCKIN LISTENS!!! I say that I would like to top or jg plz cause i main those 2 roles, and it's not that i cant play any other lann (i cant play mid, i dont know how to play mid champs) and i play tanks cause i like to go in team fights peel for my adc and take damage. But No!!!!! They instalock top and jg, (which is fine by me cause i can adc and support as well, but im not as good as i am at top or jg). They instalock saying that they main those roles too, and im like ok, that's fine just do good plz. Top lane 0/7, mid lane 3/2, bot lane 4/2, jungler 0/0/0 cause he is farming wraiths AND IS TO DAMN BUSY TO GANK A FUCKIN LANE!!!!! Let's say that im top lane and im 1/2. The jungler wont gank me once saying that he will gank lanes that have potential to win. HOW DUMB CAN YOU GET!!!!!!!! A junglers job is to gank everylane so that the lanes are winning and are head. If a lane is behind you gank the lane to help them get even or help them get head, am i right or wrong? But no, some people have to be stupid and piss me off.

Well that is all i have for today, thanks for listing to me rant. Post your comments in the box below. Thank You I'm themarine257, and I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!!!!!

16 Comments

Wheatloaf3 votes

Improper grammar, unnecessary insults, and capslock even though the forums provide you with bold and italics to use.

Also, the misconception that it's the jungler's job to win lanes, and that they're not allowed to have any job other than to gank.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

Please enlighten me, what other job does a jungler have other than to gank a lane and put lane pressure? Please, do tell me. I am only in silver and i'll admit, i dont know much about the game. So if you know something that I dont, please tell me.

Wheatloaf1 votes

There's more than one use for a jungler; you don't have to take one of the early pressure ones and simply snowball your lanes. I personally actually don't like this style, because it brings inconsistent results, especially at lower rankings. There are about 3 other paths you can take other than early lane pressure, at least that I've used myself:

  1. Take one of the "Level 6" junglers, such as Fiddlesticks, Nocturne, or Skarner, and look to make some plays once you have that Ultimate.

  2. Take a utility jungler, like Nautilus, Sejuani, or Nunu. They all have the ability to put down pressure early, but generally do so opportunistically, and often just end up walking out of the jungle once teamfights start, becoming the unbreakable walls of tankiness and Crowd Control that ADCs love to have on their team.

  3. Generally the least favored, but actually a viable strategy, is to put an extra carry in the jungle. Karthus, Sivir, and even Ziggs all have the ability to efficiently farm the jungle and cover lanes while their normal occupants are back at base, keeping the game from going out of control until the point where the damage from an extra carry makes a real difference. MasterYi would technically fit into this category, but I actually consider him more risky than the other 3 I mentioned.

Part of what people have to start understanding is that, yes, there's a meta for a reason, but that really doesn't mean what's in-meta is all that matters. That said, if you have a Lee Sin running around farming all day, yeah, he should probably get off his a** and do something.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

I understand what you're saying, but what im understanding is that you personally dont like to gank before lvl6. If i am jungling, i play Maokai, JarvanIV, Nasus, Hecarim, and sometimes Darius depending on the team comp. My job is to be the tank, just full out tank. I might throw in a little bit of AP (maokai) or a lil bit of damage (hecarim, j4, darius) if we are head, but my job is to provide lane pressure in all the lanes and make sure that all the lane win. But that's how I jungle, others may be different, but i dont like that. I want to make sure that all my lanes are ahead or even at least. I dont like any of my lanes to be behind, that's what i play lvl3 junglers so that by 3-4 minutes im ganking top lane to get him ahead and put some pressure on that lane. I love using Nautilus and Zac to jungle, but it all depends on the team comp.

Wheatloaf1 votes

I really don't play a gank-heavy jungle, because I'm not very good at making plays. What I do in the jungle is neutralize the enemy jungler by showing up in whatever lane they're in and making sure they leave. If you can make the plays to win early, that's fine. But, if you can't, it's a pain in the arse to have your entire team yelling at you for "losing them the game" just because they started losing their lanes. They don't usually complain if they're doing fine in their lanes.

Another thing that any jungler would know is that, once a lane hits a certain point, you're more likely just to make it worse by ganking it. You can't save every lane.

MAZZ1M02 votes

Junglers are the resource managers of the team. Think of that high-rank official who manages warfare and rations, advises and brainstorms, etc. Other lanes can keep track of other lanes and help, but it's your job to know what's going on in all your lanes and manage them to the best of your ability because you're the only champ who has the mobility and freedom to do so. It's far more than ganks. Some junglers flat-out suck at ganking -a la my main, Shyvana. I have to take Exhaust and depend on CC from laners to do it.

One of the biggest things I find is timing objectives right. Sometimes your team doesn't listen, but it is essentially your job to keep track of jungle buffs and keep vision (and remove it) in the right places at the right times. They can make or break a game and it isn't a support's job to march all across Summoner's Rift to cover the objectives when they should be worrying about warding to protect the carries. Baron is great, but I've aced teams that have it. Feeding is worse than not having vision.

So big buff management aside, you also manage smaller buffs that help your laners. If your adc is going even or is ahead, give them red buff to wreck the lane. Often-times, mid-laners flat-out ask me for blue buff. That's why I don't like blue-dependent junglers. Mid is arguably the most important lane because of sheer distance to the enemy base. I give it to them whenever it's available.

Counter-jungling compliments the previous facet of resource management. If you steal their buff, you don't suffer for giving it to a laner which keeps you on-pace, your laners doing better, and their whole team worse with their jungler far behind. People underestimate how crippling buff steals can be. I've gone entire laning phases without ganking using this method. Your laners naturally do better with buffs and their jungler is usually too weak to safely gank a lane. As long as you're paying attention to the map and warning the lanes when you feel you should or even counter-ganking, it makes for a very bad day for the enemy team.

Then there's also the decision about whether or not to invade which is ultimately up to you. It is risky, but if you're smart about it and have a team you trust, you get an early lead and put their jungler behind at the same time which is even more crippling at lv.1 since almost every jungler needs both buffs to get through the first jungle clear efficiently. Sometimes, if they're desperate, it'll force them to gank early when it's unwise to do so. Punish them for it if your laners don't by themselves. It is real decision though since some games, even the most beautiful invades won't change the end result. You have to weigh the risk potential failure and what that can mean. You also have to consider that the lead may not help as much because of your laners for some reason.

Who you leash and invade with is also an issue, as one level difference in farm can set the tone for the lane the rest of the game. I played as a Riven a few games ago. We had a beautiful invade and three kills and their blue, but I needed to be top and Gnar, Gnar who I destroy with my eyes closed and a hand tied behind my back got just enough CS to outlevel me and I had the worst game with Riven I've ever had, ever.

Jungling is about awareness, resource management, and decision-making. The ganks aren't all junglers are for. That's just the most in-your-face way to manage lanes. Sometimes, ganking is unwise. As important as mid often is, I usually can't gank against Heimerdinger. 9/10 My mid-laner doesn't get rid of the blasted turrets as he put them out so they wait till he can dance inside his triangle of doom before requesting help. All my junglers are fighters, none ranged. GL trying to gank that without feeding and making it worse. Telling your teammates what they need to do for you to help them is also on you though. I always tell my mid-laners to kill his turrets if they want a gank. I also remind laners to keep up vision or I'll ask what's warded. Communication is key.

Junglers do a lot.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

Wow. That is a lot, hahahaha. I guess I have overlooked a lot of info. When ever I play ranked solo que, i gank top lane by 3-4 mins getting them ahead and pushing the lane. Then i farm and by lvl 5-6 i am either ganking bot lane or mid. Now, that is solo que and in solo que i always try and keep an eye on every lane and make sure they never get behind, which is not always possible, but at least i try. But when i am duoing with a friend, things get real. Now there are two people i usually duo with and he is one of my really good friend and him and i have carried many games together and he usually likes to go mid. So, when i am douing with him i farm till im lvl 3 and within 3-4 mins he gets my first gank. This guy has never let me down, and everytime we duo we usually end up winning. So, i am always around his lane. My attention is divided on this basis 60% on mid (my friend's lane) 20% top and 20% bot. I am always giving him red buff, blue buff, wolfs, wraiths, etc. I know that is mean and aweful but my mindset is to make sure that by 10 mins in the game he is fed and he has won his lane (gotten tier one tower), because of me camping his lane and gettin him fed, either bot lane loses lane or top lane loses lane or they both lose lane. But the good part is that my friend and i are fed and him and i can carry the team and win. There are some games that we lose, but we usually win. Now after reading your post, i feel like i have over looked a lot of things. My mind set in solo que games and duo que games are very different. Solo que = making sure all my lanes are doing well where are duo que = making sure my buddy is fed.

MAZZ1M01 votes

Glad I could help.

Pentalizer1 votes

Man, I have played a lot of matches in Bronze with my main account (it's in other server, sigh...) and I can tell that at Bronze people will follow your calls and advices the much you can chill yourself and just try to talk to them. At Bronze, I've seen people that, at least, understands when you tell them they're wrong as long as you show them what they did and if you give true advices of what doing next. And the last thing you should do is just throwing offenses an being toxic, because that will make the team trust you much more less...

But one thing I agree: Silver tier is made 99% of players that believe they're the ones that should be at Challenger. It looks like that when you get at Silver, you're better than the rest. At the time I played rankeds, I enjoyed playing at Bronze because I was able to reach people's worries, calm them down and just organize the team to win matches. The result was a flawless 8/0 matches with Malphite jungle taking me out of Bronze. But when I arrived Silver, it was just what you said. There was no way to win because nobody in the team would accept they did some mistakes. Thus, I gave up on playing rankeds at Silver V.

The team builder would be a nice thing in lower elos, at least untill Gold or Platinum II or III. At these tiers I have read and heard of countless quarrels inside teams just because of roles and that crap. But on higher elos, players just try to argue why they would be better at that role, and always ready to give up and pick what's left. The point nobody remembers is that all roles are crucial to the team's victory, even support. Maybe people don't realize that because supports stops doing damage by themselves like after level 6 or 9. Or that the jungle is not responsible for making all the lanes win, and it's not his fault when a teammate loses his lane phase. Or, even, that the support is not forbidden to kill.

I think that less team playing people just don't accept these facts about LoL....

Oh, and one more thing: it's up to the jungler where he will add his power. He is the one that will decide if it's worth to help a losing lane (like top), or to help snowball even more the winning lanes (like a more powerful mid or ADC, for example). Don't just try to blame your jungler. First, try to win your lane. If the enemy is steamrolling you, recognize the mistakes you did that lead to it. After all, when you play rankeds you must get used to face matchups where you are expected to lose.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

You see, i like you. You know where i am coming from, you know how I feel. When i was on bronze, if our top laner lost their lane i would tell them to build tank and not damage because we needed him to stay alive longer to win team fights, and people actually listened. In silver, it's like a whole new world. People don't listen, they think they are better than everyone else. I main top and Jungle. If i am jungling, i play J4, Maokai, or Hecarim. My job is to be the tank, just full out tank. I might throw in a little bit of AP (maokai) or a lil bit of damage (hecarim and J4) if we are head, but my job is to provide lane pressure in all the lanes and make sure that all the lane win. That will not happen all the time, but if lets say that my bot lane is doing well, i am going to pay more attention to lets say mid that is having a hard or difficult time if top lane is even. But that's how I jungle, others may be different, but i dont like that.

Fried Noob1 votes

TeamBuilder in it's current form (even if you take out the pick a champion thing) wouldn't work in ranked. Many times I go into a queue as 2nd pick and think "I'm gonna play top this game". The enemy then picks Riven who I despise playing against, so I say Actually, I'm gonna support or something like that. With TeamBuilder, I would be forced to either face Riven and probably lose horribly or dodge.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

Playing against riven is not hard my friend. Darius, Garen, Jax, and Panth counter her. If you are playin anyone of those champs against riven, you will most likely 90% of the time win lane if you play it correctly. There have been times where i have destroyed riven in lane with darius and won lane, and there have been times where i have destroyed riven ad darius and lost lane. This is because i was more focused on shutting her down rather than winning the lane. You just gotta play it correctly and use one of those 4 champs and u will wreck.

MAZZ1M01 votes

Walls of text when it isn't necessary tldr.

I get the gist of it though. You often know how the game's going to go based on your time in the lobby and dodging only hurts you for trying to avoid trolls and toxics that'll waste an 20 min. to an hour of your life. For future reference, if you want opinions, keep it short and sweet.

I agree that a pre-game lobby change needs to be implemented, but draft pick is a part of what makes the ranked games more serious. The game starts before the pretty voice says "Welcome to Summoner's Rift" or Twisted Treeline or whatever. That element is important to forming a team comp that is more balanced or fair since some champs naturally have advantages over others. Have you ever played a game where every champ on your team is countered and no one on your teams counters them? I have. It sucks. Even as a decent jungler, I can't save every lane at once. It's horrific. Also, some champs would be run right out of ranked since certain champs only excel in certain comps or matchups. Everyone would play safe -that'd be boring and stale. No one cares as much in Team-builder. I see crazy comps every day that'd get you flamed if you tried it in ranked -they usually don't work.

You need a combination of Teambuilder and Draft. People queue for their role, people vote for who picks first, people ban, people pick and counterpick (if they can,) everyone's happy. No fuss, no muss, minus the blasted afk's. Screw afk's.

Tank Buffbeard1 votes

EXACTLY, MAN U JUST MADE MY DAY!!!!! Wow, someone that actually gets me. You see, if we do that everyone gets their lane, they pick their champ, and everyone is happy and we win games, but i like the fact that you get what im talking about.

Thank You for understanding.

Anemia at LAN1 votes

yes people might still troll and might go Jarvan IV and Garen bot lane

Then what's the point? If your system lets people pick whatever the Hell they want (regardless of the role they 'called') and get away with it, then it sucks.

MrToasterWafflez1 votes

i am going to have to ask you to SHUT UP YOU COMPLETE FOOL

...kidding... ;).... but srsly... no

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