Complete and Comprehensive Hide And Seek Guide (NA) (Updated)
So I've made this guide on the forums a long time ago but since we are moving to boards, I have decided to move a copy of it here.
I found that many people don't know the full rules of Hide and Seek so I decided to see if anyone would enjoy this full complete guide. Hope you guys find this helpful, I did look through other guides as well to make this fully complete and easy to understand.
Hide And Seek general rules:
Hide And Seek is a game in which two teams compete for victory on the Crystal Scar map. Team 1 consists of 5 hiders and Team 2 of 2 seekers. (The Setting must be DRAFT MODE)
The game shall last 40mins, the seekers' goal is to find and kill the hiders, and the hiders' goal is to hide and survive the entire 40mins. At 40mins the losing team should surrender. Each hider has 5 lives during the 40mins. The hiders seek their hiding spots as soon as the barrier goes down but they are allowed to wait a max of 30 secs for additional gold. If Hiders break the rules, Seekers will have 3 more minutes. If Seekers break Rules, Then They will have 3 less minutes.
The official win(victory/defeat screen) are irrelevant in HnS because it's a custom game mode with its own rules and hiders can too easily troll cause it's 5v2. If a team breaks rules and refuses to handle the consequences, they lose.
In case of TROLLING, a big advice is to just end the game right away by capturing points and then rehosting. You can blacklist the people trolling.
Some GENERAL rules, which apply to BOTH teams:
- Clairvoyance is banned.
- One Oracle per team.
- Thornmail and Guardian Angel are banned.
- When a rule is broken, the host should decide what appropriate measures are taken. It isn't the same to accidently auto attack somebody and to say -1 or mess with bans and make the whole game unbalanced.
Rules For Seekers.
- One Rylais/Iceborn Gauntlet/Frozen Mallet until 25mins, where you are allowed to buy one more Rylais/Iceborn Gauntlet/Frozen Mallet. (Iceborn Gauntlet added)
- Oracle Extract, IS banned until 15mins.
- Seekers is advised to return to their base when under 300 health or hunt at their own risk. Hiders can kill with their CC abilities if they chase.
- Seekers may NOT leave base until 2 minutes.
- After a Hider's death, the person has 30 secs of "grace" which they must call out as soon as they respawn in which the seekers may not camp nor kill the hider. Once the grace period is off, the hunt is back on.
Rules for Hiders
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A Hider may ONLY use CC abilities. (SILENCE, BLIND, SLOW, STUN, ROOT, INVISBILITY, THROW, CAGE, FEAR, TAUNT, GRAB, Armor/MR boost, MOBILITY, SHIELDING or HEALING). Skills that provide VISION or DMG ONLY ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ANY POINT. Neither are combinations that lead to any of the named things, such as brand or kennen stuns. (Not allowed) An ability must have CC before slow items such as Rylai/FM. That means that abilities without CC like Ez Q and Singed Q are still NOT ALLOWED, even if you buy Iceborn/Rylai/FM. In other words, an ability must have INBUILT CC.
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Hiders may NOT auto Attack, at any point of the game. (ofc we see through a fail or two) (Unless it is Udyr's Bearstance Attack, then he can hit ONCE, and then run.) Constant AAing because of Ashe Q or FM is NOT allowed. However, an accidental auto attack won't be punished unless it lands a killing blow.
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Hiders may not group up in bushes or areas, more than 2 at a time.
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If there already already two Hiders in a bush, one is not allowed to go into that bush.
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Up to 2 hiders can help another from seekers, but no more than 2.
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Items that DO NOT provide CC, Slow or DEFENSIVE stats, are banned.
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A hider can ONLY buy during death and the grace period. He cannot buy afterwards or before.
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Rylais, DO NOT make ANY spell, that doesn't have CC in it, castable.
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Hiders aren't allowed to attack seekers while they recall and they aren't allowed to recall themselves during the game.
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Bursting a Seeker is questionable, if they are chasing with the intent to kill, technically allowed, but if bursting to troll them, you are -1. Also, do not constantly burst them down or the game will not be fun. (If a Hider can burst a Seeker that has more than 300 health and is not recalling, the situation must be thought correctly. Most of the burst abilities are banned in the list below, but just in case, use common sense and good judgement.)
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1 slow item per team. Randuin and Twin Shadows doesn't count. Slow items with active slow don't count.(f.i. you can buy Twin Shadows cause of stats).
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Hiders are allowed to build damage, but not pure damage to nuke seekers. You should honestly be building MS/Hp/MR/Armor, not damage.
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Once you're out you are NOT allowed to help your teammates or interfere with the game in ANY way. Too many times I've seen hiders who are out helping their teammates or following seekers around. It is NOT allowed. Once you're out STAY in base or just take laps/race each other. What should I do when I'm dead?
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When you are dead, you shall simply stay at base or take laps, until the game ends. You can also just go play other games, go on Facebook, etc.
Some tips and advice: For Hiders:
- Ban Rengar/Ashe/Quinn/TF/Udyr for the usual bans.
- Think of champions that have multiple escapes or stealth
For Seekers:
- Ban Teemo/Shaco/Eve/Kass/Twitch for the usual bans.
- Think of champions that can chase or move fast to capture the Hiders. Gap Closer Champs are nice sometimes.
If you guys do want to play with a shorter time period, you can go 30mins instead of 40mins. If you guys do want to allow vision abilities, that's fine too. However, the host must mention this and it must be agreed upon with every single player before the game starts (Preferably before the Champ Select)
For Hiders that are playing these champs:
-Aatrox "W" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Ahri "W" is NOT allowed
-Akali "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed
-Alistar All abilities are allowed since his "R" has a Cleanse function.
-Amumu "W" and "E" are NOT allowed
-Anivia "E" is NOT allowed
-Annie "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed. The stun is based on her passive and not a built in stun, therefore these abilites are not allowed.
-Ashe "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Azir All abilities are allowed.
-Bard All abilities are allowed.
-Blitzcrank Every ability is allowed, but your "R" cannot be used to kill a seeker.
-Brand NO ABILITIES ALLOWED because he can only stun while using combinations which is not allowed.
-Braum All abilities are allowed.
-Caytlin "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed, since her traps disappear if you try to put a fourth, it is balanced.
-Cassiopeia "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed
-Cho'Gath "E" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Corki "Q", "E" and R" are NOT allowed
-Darius "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed, and he may only auto-attack his target to use the "W" slow
-Diana "Q" is NOT allowed
-Dr. Mundo "E" is NOT allowed, "W" is allowed because of the CC reduction when active.
-Draven "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Ekko All abilities are allowed.
-Elise "Q" in Human Form and "W" in both forms are not allowed.
-Evelynn "Q" and "E" are not allowed
-Ezreal "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Fiddlesticks All abilities are allowed.
-Fiora "E" and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Fizz "W" is NOT allowed.
-Galio All abilities allowed.
-Gangplank "Q" is only allowed if procing "E". If he uses "R" and kills a seeker with it he looses a life himself.
-Garen "E" and "R" are not allowed.
-Gnar Every ability is allowed, "W" passive should be only used by "Q" not auto attacks.
-Gragas All abilities are allowed as "Q" now slows, and "W" gives damage reduction.
-Graves "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Hecarim "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Heimerdinger "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed. After debate, "R" -> "Q" can be used due to the slow the turret gives. (Broken imo)
-Irelia "W" is NOT allowed
-Janna Every ability is allowed.
-Jarvan IV Every ability is allowed, but his "Q" is ONLY allowed for the E-Q combo.
-Jax "W" is NOT allowed.
-Jayce "Q" (Cannon Stance) and "W" (Both Stances) are NOT allowed.
-Jinx "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Kalista "W" is NOT allowed.
-Karma Every ability is allowed including with Mantra.
-Karthus "Q", "E" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Kassadin "Q" and "W" are NOT allowed.
-Katarina "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed
-Kayle "E" is NOT allowed.
-Kennen "Q" and "W" NOT allowed.
-Kha'Zix "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Kog'Maw "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-LeBlanc "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Lee Sin All abilities are allowed.
-Leona All abilities are allowed.
-Lissandra All abilities are allowed.
-Lucian "Q", "W", and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Lulu "E" is NOT allowed on Enemy Cast.
-Lux "R" is NOT allowed.
-Malphite "E" is NOT allowed.
-Malzahar "W" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Maokai All abilities are allowed.
-Master Yi "E" is NOT allowed.
-Miss Fortune "Q", "W" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Mordekaiser "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Morgana "W" is NOT allowed. The spell vamp heal is on her passive and not built into her "W".
-Nami All abilities allowed. Her "W" must only be casted to allies. (Cannot make it hit Seeker then ally, but ally then seeker is fine)
-Nasus "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Nautilus All abilities are allowed, if an auto attack happens because the "Q" landed, it doesn't lead to the loss of a life.
-Nidalee "Q" (both forms), "W" (human form), and "E" (cat form) are NOT allowed.
-Nocturne All abilities are allowed, "W" is technically a "shield" from the next ability to hit.
-Nunu All abilities are allowed. "Q" is useless.
-Olaf "W" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Orianna "Q" cannot be used to deal damage, hence it can be used to place it down for future uses on other abilities but not to deal damage on seekers.
-Pantheon "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Poppy "Q" is NOT allowed. After debating about it, her "R" does "shield" her from the second seeker if there are two chasing her. The "E" is allowed because it "moves" Poppy and "knocks back", but try to make sure it's to land a stun.
-Quinn "W" is NOT allowed.
-Rammus "R" is NOT allowed.
-Rek'Sai "Q" and "E" unburrowed is NOT allowed.
-Renekton All abilities are allowd ironically. The "Q" heals therefore is allowed.
-Rengar "Q" is NOT allowed. Passive jumps are allowed however you cannot use Q.
-Riven "R" active is not allowed to be used, it gives increased range on all abilities so allowed, but don't use the active.
-Rumble "Q" is NOT allowed. "R" is allowed because of the MS debuff.
-Ryze "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Sejuani "W" is NOT allowed.
-Shaco All abilities are allowed, "R" is a "juke" mechanic therefore allowed. (Like Wukong Clone) #jukes
-Shen "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Shyvana "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Singed "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Sion All abilities are allowed.
-Sivir "Q" and "W" are NOT allowed.
-Skarner "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Sona "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Soraka All abilities are allowed.
-Swain "E" is NOT allowed.
-Syndra "Q", "W", and "R" are NOT allowed. Can only use "Q" and "E" Combo, but the "Q" cannot hit a Seeker.
-Tahm Kench All abilities are allowed.
-Talon "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Taric "W" Active and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Teemo All abilities allowed. "E" shouldn't be used because it requires AA which is not allowed.
-Thresh All abilites are allowed.
-Tristana "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Trundle "Q" is NOT allowed. "R" is allowed because of the heal behind it.
-Tryndamere All abilites are allowed. "R" allowed since it "shields" the user from dying.
-Twisted Fate "Q" is NOT allowed. "E" should be useless and not used since you don't AA. If "W" procs "E", then it is fine. "R" is allowed because of the teleport, the vision is a sad bonus. Taking TF away from the Seekers would perhaps help sometimes.
-Twitch "E" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Udyr All abilites are allowed, but you should only really use "W" and "E".
-Urgot "Q" and "E" are NOT allowed. The slows is "W"'s passive and not built into the abilities.
-Varus "Q" and "W" are NOT allowed. "W" should not be used because it requires AA.
-Vayne "W" is NOT allowed. "W" should not be used because it requires AA.
-Veigar "Q", "W", and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Vel'Koz "W" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Vi "W" and "E" are NOT allowed.
-Viktor "Q" auto shouldn't be used and "E" is NOT allowed.
-Vladimir "E" and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Volibear "W" and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Warwick "W" is NOT allowed.
-Wukong "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Xerath "Q" and "R" is NOT allowed.
-Xin Zhao (ManZhao) "Q" and "W" are NOT allowed.
-Yasuo "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Yorick "Q" and "R" is NOT allowed. "R" is not allowed because it really isn't a CC, nor is "Q", a MS boost that requires an AA.
-Zac "W" is NOT allowed.
-Zed "Q" is NOT allowed. "R" is allowed due to the extra shadow, please do not use "R" to burst down a Seeker, unless the Seeker was hunting below 300 and did not proc recall, the "R" proc after 3secs will be -1 if it kills. Do not attack if a Seeker recalls and is interuppted due to "R".
-Ziggs "Q" and "R" are NOT allowed.
-Zilean "Q" is NOT allowed.
-Zyra "Q" and "W" is NOT allowed.
Some issues I have so far: -Riven's "R", yes or no? The active is not allowed, but it passively gives her a boost on the range of her abilities. -Tryndamere's "R", allowed? -Vayne's "R" to be allowed to only give invis? It does not give any other CC boosts. -Xin Zhao's "Q" allowed or no? It requires 2 AA before the knock up procs.
If there are any other issues with the above list of Hider's abilites, please post about it, it really helps!
Thanks for reading this long post guys! I'll hopefully constantly keep this updated. If there are any problems or issues please post here and I'll check on it! Even a simple question about a certain ability or a hello will be appreciated! :3
