New Ranked Surrender Options

Reathien·Nov 7, 2014·51 votes·3,882 views

We need a new option in Ranked matches.

In the case of a match where an ally does not connect in the first three minutes, we should have the option to surrender the game, with no gains/losses in LP/series to either side.

Either that or start just ending matches where players don't all connect. There is no need for a match to be played in Ranked where everyone isn't connected. All it does is cause player frustration and annoyance. We don't like losing out on a series because you're under manned - it just isn't fair. Likewise, you like happy players, because they're more likely to give you money by buying products and they're more likely to share your game around, getting more potentially paying customers.

What real argument against this idea is there? People will start abusing it? So? Rather everyone goes neutral than someone leaves / afks / trolls then makes their entire team lose, and the enemy team get an unearned win.

You have nothing to lose in this Riot. Only something to gain.

67 Comments

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 201415 votes

Most of the time people not connecting at the start of the game didn't want to go afk. They just had a computer problem or a power outage. Once while loading a game I crashed. It took me 15 minutes just restarting the computer and going back in the game. It would be stupid to penalize people that have no control on what is happening and didn't even wanted to afk in the first place.

GiantRobotCamelsNov 7, 20149 votes

The person who doesn't connect would not be penalized. The game would just end. And even if you were to penalize them it would only be a queue delay like when you leave in champ select.

RoyaiChaosNov 7, 201412 votes

"He chose a non-"OP" champion, time to dc" "They have a Yasuo, gg, good thing Riot added this so I don't lose LP when I dodge" Games would never start.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 201410 votes

This ^^^^ That mechanic would be abused by EVERYONE who isn't happy in champ select. "Omg I'M support ? Screw you guys I'm leaving"

ReathienNov 7, 201411 votes

Its simple. Record who the player is that DC'd. If the player has a trend of DC'ing in the first few minutes, issue the same penalty as if they were leaving games proper. You can work around the issues quite easily.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20144 votes

That could be a good way of finding and punishing people who frequently go afk willingly and would let people have the occasional accidental DC without any punishments.

Acidic PuddleNov 7, 20141 votes

Well isnt that the tribunal's job, to report afkers and the like....?

DeliothNov 7, 20144 votes

Well, for one- the tribunal's down... and has been for some time now. And Second- afk & d/c reports don't even go to tribunal, they get sent to LeaverBuster (which is automated.)

FrozenMistninjaNov 7, 20141 votes

I would say if they issued the que dodge penalty it would avoid penalizing a poor connection.

flibitydooNov 8, 20141 votes

Except if they leave during the loading screen/ immediately after loading into the game, it would be just as abusable as if they left during champ select.

Radioactive13Nov 7, 20141 votes

Give them dodge penalty. Not big enough to make a huge difference in the case of accidental connection issues, but it'll stop people from abusing the system and give people extra reason to not go into game with a laggy/bad connection.

SukishooNov 7, 20141 votes

The game should just end after a certain if they don't connect and not be recorded on anyone's match history.

Acidic PuddleNov 7, 20141 votes

I remember looking into this the last time I got banned for it, and what Rito says is that even though you did not want to be afk, it happened and you made people suffer due to your issues that others did not have. So I feel the only way to fix this is through a good system like stated above.

FyreNinjaNov 7, 20144 votes

I agree, however, maybe the time limit should be increased to 5 minutes after the match starts, some computers are very slow to reconnect (such as my potato) and even if the dced player truly tries to reconnect as fast as possible, the game could end before he rejoins.

Second, although I love this idea, the majority of leavers/afks occur about 15 minutes in when one player "decides the game is no longer winnable" and leaves, NOT when a player fails to join the match.

On the whole however, wonderful idea.

ReathienNov 7, 20148 votes

This isn't for ragers and afkers really - its for the matches where someone doesn't reconnect when they DC in the loading screen, or they just don't connect ever. Those matches shouldn't start in the first place - this would give us something to do about it. Then a team can say "Well is he going to reconnect? Do we want to trust he will? If no, they can prevent suffering for 20 minutes.

Dark NephthysNov 7, 20143 votes

I also think that the time limit should be put at 5 minutes, since if some one had to restart their client, it could take more than 3 minutes on some cases.

I think this is a great idea, and just make it at least 5 minutes AND only if the other 4 agree (or actually if 3 of the other 4 agree). I feel that it shouldn't just instantly end the game without your say, because what if your afk/disconnect was the support (Which can be still winnable) and you have an amazing first 5 mins (like if you invaded them and got multiple kills etc).

xSyndicateNov 7, 20142 votes

good idea

Angry MonsterNov 7, 20142 votes

This is a bad idea. How are you going to combat the people that just disconnect from the internet cause they got forced into a role they didnt want. Or Players who think they have a bad match up can pull their internet connection.

Your giving a people a way to freely dodge.

BAD IDEA.

ReathienNov 7, 20143 votes

I would rather wait for 30 minutes before a match actually starts than have to play another 10 games because someone never connected and my series was lost because of it.

Yea people could abuse it, but does the abuse outweigh the benefit?

Angry MonsterNov 7, 20142 votes

Yea people could abuse it, but does the abuse outweigh the benefit?

YES!!! THe abuse cases are an issue. Riot has not put something like this in cause of abuse cases. have you not read anything reds posted over the last year about this?

Dr EasterNov 7, 20141 votes

Yea people could abuse it, but does the abuse outweigh the benefit?

YES!!! THe abuse cases are an issue. Riot has not put something like this in cause of abuse cases. have you not read anything reds posted over the last year about this?

Well Reds say they don't put stuff because people would abuse it. At the same time they like to say less than 1% of the player base are people that troll or abuse, etc...

Angry MonsterNov 7, 20141 votes

Why would i not DC my computer if i thought i had a troll on my team? OR if i thought through pick and bans that my team was going to lose? If I main jungle and if jungler is taken, should I DC since i do not have my best role?

You are giving people an easy out of matches. That is the issue. Riot will never be able to tell the difference since lack of internet is the lack of internet. "" MY INTERNET IS JUST UNSTABLE""

JunkοNov 7, 20141 votes

Give a heavy penalty for leaving a ton of ranked matches in a row to intentionally or unintentionally cancel games. If you have bad internet you shouldn't be playing ranked anyway.

Problem solved.

Angry MonsterNov 8, 20141 votes

that is not a GOOD solution to the problem that this would bring.

JunkοNov 8, 20141 votes

Yes it is. If you get 1k+ ping every single game you play OR can't make a schedule then you shouldn't be playing ranked. I lost my promos because of somebody that in his match history left every other game, these people need to be banned from ranked.

Angry MonsterNov 8, 20141 votes

So giving a people a tool to not get in trouble, then punish people for using said tool.

That makes no sense.

JunkοNov 8, 20141 votes

You don't understand.

The surrender option is so the 4 people that got placed with an afk don't lose free LP or promos, not so the people with terrible internet or that think they are gonna lose because enemy picked an op champ can dodge as they please.

Angry MonsterNov 8, 20141 votes

Duos can still game the system.

Remember Drop hacks? Or DDosed servers? Or other issues? that the player can not controal?

Their is no fair way to implement a punish system(make them lose LP while their team mates have no loss). Everyone would cry its X reason and i had no control of it. Also Games can still be won with a connection of 5 minutes later.

How do you punish people, when do not control the internet connections to Riot? Riot does provide a system of testing your connection so their is no way to know in advance.

Also what about the other team that showed up? Are they just going to get screwed cause their team showed up? In real sports you play down or forfeit. Their is no canceling of event and everyone keeps their recorded. This is true for sports/games from little league to pro games. You never get a clean walk away.

Idea is STILL BAD.

JunkοNov 8, 20141 votes

Yeah let's compare hackers and game droppers that drop games because they are losing to people who don't want to lose free LP because of a 4v5.

HOW can duos game the system? It requires you to be afk FROM THE START of the game, so it would give no benefit to duos.

How do you punish people, when do not control the internet connections to Riot? Riot does provide a system of testing your connection so their is no way to know in advance.

Go to a custom game or a bot game and test it before going into ranked, simple as that >_>

Also what about the other team that showed up? Are they just going to get screwed cause their team showed up? In real sports you play down or forfeit. Their is no canceling of event and everyone keeps their recorded. This is true for sports/games from little league to pro games. You never get a clean walk away.

Let's not compare sports to a game please, in fact esport LoL games have the game start anew if there is an afk on either team.

TeraxeNov 7, 20141 votes

The game should pause for 2-5 minutes if someone isn't connected, if after 2-5 minutes that player is still not connected, then game should end. The player that did not connect and anyone they queued with should be penalized equal to a dodge + a bit more for making everyone wait 2-5 minutes. No one else gains or loses anything.

If the players that were in the game requeue, they should get moved to the top of the queue.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20141 votes

Do I really have to repeat myself ?

Most of the time people not connecting at the start of the game didn't want to go afk. They just had a computer problem or a power outage. Once while loading a game I crashed. It took me 15 minutes just restarting the computer and going back in the game. It would be stupid to penalize people that have no control on what is happening and didn't even wanted to afk in the first place.

Killer X 12Nov 7, 20142 votes

Its not stupid to penalize them. Whether or not it is their fault if they have issues that prevent them from playing, or have issues that put their team at an unfair advantage they should not be playing ranked. Sure, we've all been DC'd kicked the power button, had a power outage before and fucked some shit up by accident. Did that change that it was a 4v5? No. Did that change that you fucked over 4 people? No.

They players who, intentionally or otherwise, ruin the game should be punished. Punishing those who do not connect is also the only way that a system like this could avoid abuse. So its either do not use this system, or punish those people. I'm fine with that punishment. If something happens on my end that ruins a game, i'll take responsibility for it. That is fair.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20142 votes

This would be in NO WAY fair to anyone. I won't take responsibility for my ISP going full retard or for a power outage caused by a thunderstorm outside. That would be so fucking stupid. These kind of things are COMPLETELY out of the player's control. I'm sure most people won't be happy at all if they get demoted after a fucking power outage because "eh afk". I don't see why you would punish people for something they NEVER wanted to happen and have NO control over. This logic is just so stupid.

Most people won't take responsibility for something they didn't do and had no control over since, you know, it's completely illogical to punish someone that did nothing wrong.

Killer X 12Nov 7, 20143 votes

In the real would intentions do not matter, only actions, only what happens. You having control over your DC or not is not relevant. The fact is, it happened. The fact is you made it a 4v5. Had it been a different player without that DC it would of been a 5v5 and no one would be losing IP. I think its completely fair to punish the player who DC'd.

If it is truly not your fault, and it is a one time thing then what is the issue? It won't happen again so you'll be fine. You lost your promo? Well if you deserve to rank up then you'll get another chance.

If it happens constantly then you need to either do something to fix it (Get a new ISP) or not play ranked. You not being there, whether or not it is intentional, is ruining games for others. Assuming all men are equal, as they are, the time of 4 people > the time of one person.

And hey, even if you don't think it is fair to the person it punished...its fair to the other 9 people. 5 do not get an unearned win. 4 do not get an unearned loss.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20142 votes

The fact is you made it a 4v5.

I didn't make the 4v5. It's in no way my fault. I don't see how it's fair seriously. You punish someone for doing nothing wrong. You can't punish someone for something they didn't do.

Let's say we are both driving. We both come across a red light you are behind me. Your brakes just decide they don't work anymore because there was manufacturing defect (Toyota a couple years ago). You won't be punished for the damage since they were caused by something out of your control. The company would be forced to pay for you (Since the company acknowledged the problem and called back the brakes).

In the case of League you can't really punish an ISP or a thunderstorm for a DC since those are the DIRECT cause of the DC.

Killer X 12Nov 7, 20145 votes

Was it your computer? Yes. Was it your account? Yes. Was it your internet? Yes. Did you connect? No. Did 4 other people on your team connect? yes. Did 5 people on the other team connect? Yes.

Is it a 4v5? Yes. Is the only person missing, you? Yes.

.....

Not trying to be rude, but the fact of the matter is that if someone is not there then the game is ruined by them not being there. You can't just say "oh its fine, you wasted 20 mins of 4 ppl's lives, no biggie." Again, if it is a one time thing and it is actually not your fault, you would either take the one time penalty and be fine, or their would be like a "three strikes" sorta thing. If you DC from three ranked games in a short period, say a month, then you need to stop playing ranked or fix the issue.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20141 votes

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GavranNov 7, 20143 votes

It's rather obvious from your position here you're a child. Killer is right, in the real world, the adult world, good intentions don't mean shit if you get bad results. In time you will hopefully grow up enough to accept responsibility or grow broke enough to have no ISP at all and not ruin games for other people because you think playing Ranked is something you're entitled to no matter what.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20142 votes

Fuck that you two are a lost cause.

ShyvauniNov 7, 20142 votes

Ok let me try and explain the flaw in your argument for this.

If you do not connect at the start it is your fault. It is easy to check if you will have issues, and if you play during a storm you are asking for either major lag or a disconnect. Now yes on occasion everything may seem to check out and you still dc, however this is rare.

So it is not those who are against this idea who are hopeless but you.

XxXGwanXxXNov 7, 20141 votes

Now yes on occasion everything may seem to check out and you still dc, however this is rare.

^^This is the only time I ever dc from games. Like when the stupid firewall message (Which i can assure is not a problem with my firewall) pops out from LoL client and I can't join the game EVER

It's what iv'e been trying too make you understand all along. That it won't be the person's fault every time. In those particular cases i wouldn't even think of punishing that player. I mean it would be ridiculous... But yea I agree that if your ISP is retarded you should company. But seriously you can't foresee that lighting is gonna strike your house and i would never blame someone for something out of their control. I just can't understand why you would punish someone for something they can't do anything about and aren't the cause of.

JunkοNov 7, 20141 votes

This thread doesn't say anything about penalizing players
Why the fuck are you on your computer at all while there is a storm outside and you hear lightning strike somewhere.

Killer X 12Nov 8, 20141 votes

Responsibility must lay somewhere, that place is with the person who disconnected. This is just how the world works.

KonidiasNov 7, 20141 votes

If someone never loads into the map it should just count it as a dodge and boot everyone to the main game entry screen with an alert that someone didn't connect.

The leaver should get the same penalty as a dodge.

Sorry, but if you can't maintain a stable internet connection, you shouldn't be playing ranked. It's not likely that it will happen so frequently that you'd end up banned for it, and if it is happening that frequently, then you are negatively impacting WAY too many people WAY too often and should be banned from the game regardless.

The thing is, if someone never loaded due to an HONEST internet problem... like I dunno... their ISP went down for an hour... then a dodge penalty won't really sting that much since it would literally be like a 6-30 minute ban from ranked... which doesn't matter at all if you can't even connect to the internet to play.

I really don't see how the current system is fair to the NINE other people in the match. It's a frustrating 4 v 5 for one side and a potentially boring 5 v 4 for the other side. Nobody really wins in that scenario.

But if it just boots everyone out and punishes the D/C player, then it would prevent abuse since it's still applying dodge penalties. You couldn't just get into champ load screen and be like "nope, not playing against this team" and d/c and lose nothing for it.

For normals it's whatever... but ranked seriously needs to be 5 v 5 only and anything else is not a game. I really don't know how LoL can call itself an e-sport/competitive game when it doesn't even have a check to make sure 5 people are on each team.

You don't see basketball games taking place where it's 4 v 5. "well, one player missed his flight so he won't be able to make it... oh well, just play anyway... this will count on everyone's stats regardless"

AnomanderNov 8, 20142 votes

If someone never loads into the map it should just count it as a dodge and boot everyone to the main game entry screen with an alert that someone didn't connect.

The leaver should get the same penalty as a dodge.

^ I like this and it should also apply to their duo partner if duo queing.

Also I would say boot em if they have not reconnected by minion spawns not loading screens. as Riot does have a issue with people being able to connect.

GundayMondayNov 8, 20141 votes

So every level 1 first blood would turn into a surrender by the first blooded team? Sounds dumb.

PickleBabahNov 8, 20142 votes

How about if any kills go down, then the surrender thing is void. If you know that you have an afk, and you are actively thinking about it, then you obviously shouldn't die within 2:55

GundayMondayNov 8, 20141 votes

Could work. Random dc's during level 1 team fights would ruin that idea, but still, those don't happen very often. I like it!

GrashnimNov 10, 20141 votes

Should still lose Elo, just make it half as much Elo. If you allow this option, people will magically not connect when going up against players they know who are too good. This is more likely to happen at higher Elo, but it's still an issue. Terminate game within, let's say, 8 minutes if one person doesn't connect. Anything beyond that, it's about impossible anyways.

That being said, I have won with only 4 people and lost when we had 5 and they had 4. It's part of the game. Hopefully as riot fixes their servers this will be far less of an issue.