How About a 180 Map Rotator?

aturtle22·Jun 18, 2014·85 votes·3,818 views

There is a huge unfair advantage for the blue side. How hard could it be to make a 180 rotation? it effects how I play, and probably many others. Is this to much to ask for?

89 Comments

ProtonZeroJun 18, 201421 votes

Problem: "top" and "bot" meta. Or maybe that's not a problem because personally I think that would be great. Alternatively, rotate the map 45 degrees so it's camera-unbiased like Twisted Treeline and Crystal Scar.

MormomboyJun 19, 20149 votes

Not to mention top and bot still exist. Just because you see it from a different angle does not make it a different place.

ZsuJun 19, 20145 votes

Really good idea at first I thought of the summoner spells being at the top. IT wouldn't make the game look different but feel so much better when youre trying to land skillshots

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

Not helpfull enough

ProtonZeroJun 19, 20142 votes

If half of the players are rotated 180 degrees, one team's bot is the other team's top. Normally this wouldn't matter, except for the purposes of the meta. You can't have two bruisers go "top" because which team's "top" do you use? It would be awfully confusing to have to call bot top and top bot for half your games.

A Little CockyJun 20, 20147 votes

Just call dragon lane or baron lane. Or 2 bush lane, 3 bush lane. It's not hard to come up with names for two different things that have a few different qualities.

Solarious28Oct 31, 20141 votes

No, turtle's idea is enough. Let's rotate the rift in each individual players favor. I think that should do it.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

make a different thread for something like this, here, we are talking about 180 degree real, effective map rotation, if you want to talk about what you just posted, then log in league of 45s and talk about 45 degree rotation on their 45 degree rotaion thread, this is 180 degree rotaion, make a new thread

Mota MarcJun 19, 201412 votes

Riot if only one thing happens I would want this. Or at the very least for the red side put the spells and everything on the top. plz riot plz

Alan JamesJun 19, 20144 votes

That is a brilliant idea and you're the first person I've heard say that. Putting the abilities and hud on the top is not something I ever thought of, but I do think the maps should be rotated so they are always going left to right. The angle the camera is in is perfectly designed to see out into the distance on the blue side, but completely limits your view of blue side when you're on red side. This is something that should've been thought about before the game got out of the beta honestly. If they're making changes to the visuals on the map to make it less symmetrical, you should tilt the map to be more symmetrical in a structural point-of-view.

ShokolaatJun 20, 20142 votes

That is actually quite interesting and I think it's the easiest fix to the issue.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

No, were not putting spells and items on top

CopulativeJun 19, 20148 votes

Full support. I don't see why this wouldn't be able to be incorporated.

TheDreadingDarkJun 19, 20146 votes

This would be great for playing ADCs like KogMaw , Ezreal , Draven , etc.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

yup

X1CREATOR1XJun 18, 20145 votes

PLEASE MAKE THIS 180 MAP ROTATION THING HAPPEN RIOT

GrueSlayerJun 19, 20145 votes

oh so I'm NOT the only person that wants this. I'd really like to see it go the way of twisted treeline's map angle if they are overhauling the maps appearance anyways. I seriously cant do unlocked camera, its too hard to pay attention to my character and where I am looking at the same time and I have tried.

godspeedicarusJun 18, 20144 votes

1000 times yes.

WhcyJun 18, 20144 votes

I've been considering this for a while, I definitely think this should be implemented since blue side seems to have such a good advantage over red side currently :P.

muntzaliciousJun 19, 20144 votes

PLEASE add this!

bubbas1998Jun 20, 20144 votes

I like this for the purpose of skill shots in the bot lane it would be super usefull

The Pizza DogJun 18, 20143 votes

this is a good Idea so its like your playing on the blue side but actually your on the red side? also what about the baron and dragon?

DJ Rick NastyJun 18, 20141 votes

Dragon would be on the top side of the map and baron would be on the bottom if the map was rotated. Also, would the minimap rotate with the actual map?

NinjaFiferJun 19, 20142 votes

There's a guy who made an application that did exactly this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUk3jJd-IX0

As you can see, everything looks just fine, but the bushes aren't textured on the opposite side, and the minimap doesn't rotate. That's about it. Some random schmuck did this, so you can do it too riot.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

they would rotate too, so adc/suport would always have dragon side, and "top" would always have its corrisponding side too, lacated at lane closest to baron

xXRivayneXxJun 19, 20143 votes

I don't really think that is even necessary. If riot could just switch the UI with minimap up to the top of the screen it would alleviate a lot of the space that get's used up at the bottom of the screen or maybe even allow players to toggle off the portions so they can free up that space if they feel the need.

NinjaFiferJun 19, 20142 votes

You might think that that would solve some stuff, but there would still be a disadvantage, since the camera is tilted. The amount of space you see is larger at the top than at the bottom, no matter what you do. Here, I'll post a video with two parts. First is a guys who found a program that lets you move the camera around at your leisure. Second is him using wards to map out on his minimap exactly what you see from your camera. You'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUk3jJd-IX0

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

Your missing the point

TheHotSalesmanJun 29, 20143 votes

This would be amazing. Casting my vote in for this.

GorbacheJun 19, 20142 votes

With the new map this isn't a problem anymore. They changed the angle so blue side isn't so much at a disavantage when aiming skillshot toward the bottom of the screen.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

no, purple has a current disadvantage, not blue

BeastKillersJun 19, 20142 votes

I doubt Riot will make a 180 degree turn for the map because they would have to re make the images for all the terrain since its a 2D game view and you would be looking at it from the other side. But as they already said they are fixing the angle of the camera so it will be even on both sides so you will have the same view on red side as you would with blue.

River BeardNov 7, 20141 votes

I still don't like the sound of that. It needs to be completely even.

nyghtwraithJun 20, 20142 votes

oh please please please fix the hideousness that is purple side bottom camera! It's an unlock your camera or jokes on you situation. I can't play having to flick the camera around constantly just to be able to aim a skill shot.

Recliner001Jun 20, 20142 votes

I think being able to make the game relative to the player would benefit the most. I know that I play a lot better and enjoy the game more from the blue side rather than the red. I also play ARAM a lot and feel the same way about that map. If I am going from the top down I am moving my screen way too much and missing out on opportunities to make good plays, or I completely lose my champion and die.

PiratedcopyJun 23, 20142 votes

In my opinion, being on purple/blue, with the HUD, etc, being in the way, is way too insignificant for ranked play. There is the option of hitting "SPACE" to reset your camera, along with free-roam. This is not a vital, game-impacting issue.

ll Akagami llJul 23, 20142 votes

They already have 360 map rotator :) and from simple math we know 360 is more than 180. So, riot already did more for you! stop whining :P

5000000000000000Jul 24, 20151 votes

you're a noob. It's been years since they took back 360 and released 720.

JackYAquaJun 18, 20141 votes

They can't. The backsides of the trees are black.

MormomboyJun 19, 20147 votes

Well they are making a whole new map, just make an alternate map for the other team. Same map drawn from other perspective. I am sure there are other ways of doing it, but this is something that I have wanted for quite some time. Many of my friends have expressed similar desires.

JackYAquaJun 19, 20144 votes

I like that idea ^^

AlescaJun 18, 20141 votes

While I think it would be super beneficial, and the community has been nonstop asking for it, after Riot released they were updating SR they said multiple times that a camera flip would not be happening. It is unfortunate.

Alan JamesJun 19, 20144 votes

With such overwhelming support, and barely any people stepping out against the camera flip and supporting the HUD changes, I don't understand why Riot doesn't realize that they should take constructive criticism like this from the community as a whole. I don't think Riot should constantly be focused on high level play, but as the community of League of Legends is as a whole. I find eSports has caused most of Riot to cater to high-level play and, frankly, it disgusts me. This is still a game people should be playing to have fun or compete against friends in. Having the map structurally symmetrical and camera symmetrical should be something they should realize most League of Legends players want to happen. It isn't fair to have advantages on one team over the other, plain and simple, regardless of how small those are. They explain away the advantages in eSports with each team gets to play on each side alternating, but It should not make a difference, and it would make it less of a debate as to which side could give you the lead in eSports especially. It will come down to players and teams working together, not which side is better.

Angry MonsterJun 19, 20143 votes

just cause a few hundred to a thousand complain does not mean that you are a showing of the majority point of view. I would say it shows how much of a minority you actually are.

I would say you the support of the people is less than 1% which is quite underwhelming. Their are over 1 million active accounts in ranked NA alone.

link to where i got the stat. http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/na

Just cause u are unhappy does not mean that a majority are with you.

NinjaFiferJun 19, 20143 votes

The thing is, only a handful of people take the time to come to the forums and voice their opinion. If anything, you can take the percent representation here and apply it to the whole of the community meaning that actually, you are wrong. That's how scientific sampling works. Not perfectly accurate, but certainly a good way to make an educated guess as to the opinion of the whole group.

GunnlaugJun 19, 20141 votes

When you think about it, its not all that unfair... During champ select, each team has a 50/50 chance of getting purple or blue. It's not like you are the tipping point... Sure there is a small advantage but really its nobody's advantage to be abused seeing as the amount of times you'll get blue is 50/50. Every game won, 50% on blue and 50% on red. It's my way of looking at it so hey..I could be wrong though

NinjaFiferJun 19, 20149 votes

See, the thing is, it's not fair. Blue side actually has a statistically higher win percentage than purple.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/blue-vs-purple

Sure, if the side you are on is a 50/50 chance, that means that your overall record will still remain around 50/50 w/l, but that doesn't mean it's fair for the purple side. In ranked 5v5's, there's a 6% difference in win rates. That's statistically huge for a game that's supposed to be fair for both teams.

GunnlaugJun 19, 20146 votes

See, the thing is, it's not fair. Blue side actually has a statistically higher win percentage than purple.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/blue-vs-purple

Sure, if the side you are on is a 50/50 chance, that means that your overall record will still remain around 50/50 w/l, but that doesn't mean it's fair for the purple side. In ranked 5v5's, there's a 6% difference in win rates. That's statistically huge for a game that's supposed to be fair for both teams.

I'm glad you brought that up. Good call

Drake2300Mar 2, 20151 votes

Simply 'Mirroring' the map would make this entirely possible, the whole map is perfectly symmetrical, mirror the game for each side so that the camera angle is exactly the same for both sides. its true that one side has a big advantage over the other side, mostly for view, you can see a lot more from blue side than from purple

Lunar3dgeJul 24, 20151 votes

I never really found this to be much of a problem. I guess it hadn't occurred to me that people locked their screens. I hope if they do change it, they make it a toggle, because I'm fine the way it is.