Advanced Bots and map changes

sound432·Mar 30, 2015·1 votes·669 views

Im not a huge fan of Dota but they do have some amazing features that i think league could use/improve on to make League better... Like harder bots , Dota has a bot setting called unfair witch make the Bots play closes to pro lvl . On another note dotas map is much larger when your in the jungle or what ever dota players call it, there are so many path ways and it really feels like your in the Forrest/Jungle. But on league its just to small and just doesn't feel like a Forrest/Jungle . but be for you freak out on me go and look at it its beautiful and its not even about the graphics. Its just better im sorry , dont get me wrong i love The Rift but they should all ways be looking to improve like any good gaming company. i really think they should expand the map for more room to battle, so its not like im doing the same thing over and over. and if they wonted to make a map they could add it as a new map so people can try it out . and we can have votes to see if it stays or try again . and if they end up making it better and it sticks we should have a vote to put it in the lcs.. Riot plz

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S H A Y C 0Mar 30, 20151 votes

There is a good reason why it isnt bigger....LCS. There is a difficult balance that has to be maintained between the rpg feeling of being immersed inside a far off land and entertainment. The lcs is a HUGE part of the community. People dont even play ranked but they watch the lcs anyway. To create those exiting moments the combatants must be in close proximity to each other, but not so close that there isnt room for out maneuvering your opponents to create those big plays. Honestly they have balanced that quite well, but i wouldnt mind a new map or 2 new maps.

It would be nice for best of 5 series to have 3 different maps that could add layers of strategy and complexity, but maintain rift like game play. Much like call of duty, has a map rotation for their competitive. I already know the reason and its because they cant handle maintaining it...which is why there is no twisted treeline solo Q...or updates of any kind for the other maps. but still it would be nice.

sound432Mar 30, 20151 votes

yeah i would like to see more maps on the lcs but how would the go about it . the players are already under a lot of stress

S H A Y C 0Mar 30, 20151 votes

Yeah, im really sorry im going to have go off on that statement, nothing personal. Marines are under a lot of stress, surgeons operating on someone are in a lot of stress, hell network engineers are in a lot of stress when there is an outage or an attack...but you're telling me that someone getting paid to play a friggin video game is under "too much stress" for there to be another map? Seriously..its just a sad pathetic concept. I could only dream about someone giving me money to play video games when i was a teenager and now these punks make more than i do and youre telling me they are "stressed". It is a relative measurement for sure, and for young men/boys that have never had "real" stress before it is a lot for them to deal with...nothing compared to the stress of normal daily living of people trying to raise children in 2015 and surely nothing compared to doing a tour overseas in that mess. Again, nothing personal.

Bandle City BotMar 30, 20151 votes

So you claim it's not personal but then use the dismissive and derisive language you do. Conflicting information there.

That aside, you bring up high stress jobs and think that a professional level league player does not have an equally as stressful task.

It might not be as physically demanding as say a Marine or certain Network Engineers, that is true. Consider the other aspects of stress with any other sports player.

If they do not perform they can be released
they have to devote exhausting bordering on excessive amounts of time to practice
They have to maintain and conduct themselves in a fashion worthy of the league they play in.
This vocation does not translate too well into other job markets beyond the interpersonal and team building skills developed.

Yes a vocation in any professional e-sport/'game' is stressful, one could argue as stressful as your examples but just a different kind of stress.

As an aside, your hostile language in calling them punks and the like in the fashion you did does nothing to help your point. It only implies you are envious of their position of doing their job, something you view as easy, and get paid better than you do in your job. Consider this word choice in future posts.

To your last part of never having "real" stress. This also goes to a "oh I don't agree with it so it must be wrong" tone you seem to be having throughout your entire post. You cite examples of raising children and doing tours overseas, which when circling back to your earlier examples it makes me think you are or know somebody in such a position. Great for them, do not think that all stress is equal and one is 'more valid' than the other as you know nothing of personal lives of the players beyond what they share while 'on the clock'. Unless one of the pro players out and out says it you honestly don't know how else this has impacted them and what other things have cropped up.

TL;DR

Be wary of your tone you convey while writing (yes writing has tone)
Ensure diction and points support what you want to say and do not paint a different picture
Not all stress is equal.

S H A Y C 0Mar 30, 20151 votes

Yes, i am hostile toward the idea, the tone was intentional. Again, its not personal, i was not attacking you in the least. Jealous? Of course i am, who isnt? Fancy words aside, i stand behind my "real stress" phrase. Kids playing video games can not come close to having a child, country, or another man/womans life literally in your hands. If you think the virtual world is somehow equal to "real life" ... my condolences. All these pro players are doing is extending their adolescence, if you consider that enough stress to justify not introducing a second map...i dont even know how to respond. Which by the way, is the frame of reference were working with there. Do you honestly feel that making a crap ton of money by playing video games is so stressful that it wouldnt be "right" to add a map to the rotation?

sound432Mar 30, 20151 votes

Look being in the Us military is pathetic and shame full so quit using that as support for your argument . you guys are off track here

S H A Y C 0Mar 31, 20151 votes

Oh my...well, I think it best to let you hang yourself on that one. GLHF

SLangedEdgeMar 30, 20151 votes

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There is a good reason why it isnt bigger....LCS. There is a difficult balance that has to be maintained between the rpg feeling of being immersed inside a far off land and entertainment. The lcs is a HUGE part of the community. People dont even play ranked but they watch the lcs anyway. To create those exiting moments the combatants must be in close proximity to each other, but not so close that there isnt room for out maneuvering your opponents to create those big plays. Honestly they have balanced that quite well, but i wouldnt mind a new map or 2 new maps.

It would be nice for best of 5 series to have 3 different maps that could add layers of strategy and complexity, but maintain rift like game play. Much like call of duty, has a map rotation for their competitive. I already know the reason and its because they cant handle maintaining it...which is why there is no twisted treeline solo Q...or updates of any kind for the other maps. but still it would be nice.

Except dota has a competitive scene just as big as the LCS and it manages to have a larger map. Also, first bloods and kills happen much earlier and more often than in LoL. This could be various reasons (smoke, runes, tps, gold loss on death, etc), but dota has made the map bigger and still kept the action going.

As for strategy, LoL is severely lacking in strategy. its almost laughable to call it a strategy game, esp in teh lower tiers. Its a action spam fest and should just be happy with its identity. You would need to do much more than just change the map to make it a true game of strategy with real choice.

SLangedEdgeMar 30, 20151 votes

You're both arguing such extremes. I agree there is a large amount of stress in pro-gaming, esp on the grand stage. You are playing a reaction game that you've committed hours upon hours of dedication, performing in front of millions upon millions of spectators, and for an amount of money that many ppl don't see in a year. Of course this doesn't compare to the life n death situations that a doctor or marine (in war time) deals with. It is far more stressful than any humdrum day in the life of an engineer/professional. I'm an engineer, i don't deal with this kinda of pressure, while there's standard work stress...i'm not performing in front of millions. if something doesn't work, i keep at it till it does. Its not like i have 1 hr to fix it to get paid or not.

With all that said, the argument of adding a new map or map change to LoL equates to too much stress for a professional gamer is ridiculous. There are barely any strategic changes from year to year for an already light strategic game. You are payed to be the best at a game, as long as the spirit of the game doesn't change you should be able to easily adapt given an entire season to do so. If riot could design a new meaningful and balanced 5v5 map they should. lets be real, LCS is pretty boring as it stands.