I mean can we do something to make Riot change their mind? it has been a long time waiting for a high quality skin for Vayne(Arclight Vayne lost Vayne's dark-themed concept so I don't like that). and it's too desperate to know that Soulstealer Vayne will be a crafting exclusive skin, just like Hextech Annie! this means we Vayne main must cost $300 to get this... I think its unacceptable for most players...
Riotmoonstones8 votesHey DeepnessInSky -
Unfortunately, we won't be changing how players can obtain this particular skin.
Ultîma5 votes... why? What's the rationale to keep this skin Hextech exclusive? The general consensus for Hextech Annie was that it was suited to be a crafting exclusive due to the theme, and it is largely respected as a rare and valuable skin because of it. This seems to be done to arbitrarily increase the value of Soulstealer Vayne. Why not keep making more Hextech skins and dedicate them to this system instead? This only seems to be setting grounds for a dangerous precedent which would allow Riot to boost skin value by putting them behind a grind/paywall.
AramsAreBest3 votesDont expect an answer.
Ashen Rider1 votesLmao
AramsAreBest2 votesThe post I replied to did not receive an answer. They got a response but did not answer any of the questions.
Ashen Rider1 votesSome of the questions kind of got answered. For instance, Riot Wingfield said "these items won't always be in the Hextech theme (as with Vayne, duh ;)". I would consider that a partial answer as to why they won't just be making Hextech skins for Hextech Crafting. Although, now I am wondering if skins added to Hextech Crafting count against a champion receiving another skins soon, akin to esports skins.
Riotmoonstones5 votesI'm not the best person to answer this, but I'd be happy to drop in Riot Wingfield's reply, which may explain what we have planned in the future for Hextech Crafting and exclusive skins.
*"Hey All! *
*Just wanted to give some extra context here. Soul Stealer Vayne is a new Hextech Crafting exclusive skin. You can obtain her as a rare shard drop from a mastery chest or by forging 10 gemstones. When you "forge" gemstones you get to choose the exclusive item you want to unlock. So if you have 10 gemstones, you can choose Hextech Annie or Soul Stealer Vayne. *
***We plan on adding new rare content a few times a year and these items won't always be in the Hextech theme (as with Vayne, duh ;) ***
*We also know that as we add more of these rare items, it can be challenging to obtain them. In future Hextech Crafting promotions we will sometimes offer guaranteed pathways to a limited number of gemstones. We want to carefully balance not making these items too rare while also not invalidating rarity as a valuable content feature within League. *
Hope that context helps a bit :) Wingfield"
Jesus is Savior6 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wpkJ69qI,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2016-06-22T17:27:43.018+0000)
I'm not the best person to answer this, but I'd be happy to drop in Riot Wingfield's reply, which may explain what we have planned in the future for Hextech Crafting and exclusive skins.
*"Hey All! *
*Just wanted to give some extra context here. Soul Stealer Vayne is a new Hextech Crafting exclusive skin. You can obtain her as a rare shard drop from a mastery chest or by forging 10 gemstones. When you "forge" gemstones you get to choose the exclusive item you want to unlock. So if you have 10 gemstones, you can choose Hextech Annie or Soul Stealer Vayne. *
***We plan on adding new rare content a few times a year and these items won't always be in the Hextech theme (as with Vayne, duh ;) ***
*We also know that as we add more of these rare items, it can be challenging to obtain them. In future Hextech Crafting promotions we will sometimes offer guaranteed pathways to a limited number of gemstones. We want to carefully balance not making these items too rare while also not invalidating rarity as a valuable content feature within League. *
Hope that context helps a bit :) Wingfield"
Riot Tryndamere: "We're not greedy"
Meanwhile you guys KNOW the gambling addicts are going to spend hundreds of dollars on chests to get these skins.
I also laughed at the "limited number of gemstones" part. Does this mean that even in "guaranteed gemstone" chest bundles, you're going to limit how many people can purchase (and still force them to play the lottery)?
What a scumbag move by a scumbag company.
Is your game really dying so fast (due to the removal of solo queue) that you guys now have to resort to such scummy tactics to make money? All you're doing is taking advantage of people who have gambling (and other) problems. ie: you're taking advantage of people who are literally disabled (mentally). It's like taking advantage of a cripple. It's not cool. And I expect better from Riot.
Ashen Rider6 votesTo be fair, Riot IS a company. A company's primary goal is to make money. This is true of 99% of companies out there.
Decrit1 votesIt' s not even that bad - no one bats an eye about magic the gathering being based around buying booster packs, after all. Randomness can be a nice thing to buy if done well.
So far, looks like it is - you get stuff and can trade it if you don' t like it for essence, plus you can already get it for free.
MegaRedGyarados1 votesIt' s not even that bad - no one bats an eye about magic the gathering being based around buying booster packs, after all. Randomness can be a nice thing to buy if done well.
So far, looks like it is - you get stuff and can trade it if you don' t like it for essence, plus you can already get it for free.
Yeah being able to trade hextech crafting items would be awesome, The only problem i see is that people will end up just trading with real players with real money (Instead of spend that money on more hextech boxes which riot OBVIOUSLY wants). I mean, its not like theres gold farmers inflating prices so player-trading with real money wont be as big of a problem as in MMOs. Plus, people wont have to trade accounts (Which is against the rules) to get certain super-rare skins that they REEEEEAAALLLY want.
Toplane Fencer1 votesNot many people are going to spend hundreds ofdollars on one skin. They'd probably earn more if they sold it as a regular skin. I guess they just want some skins to be an achievement to get.
Jesus is Savior1 votesNot many people are going to spend hundreds ofdollars on one skin. They'd probably earn more if they sold it as a regular skin. I guess they just want some skins to be an achievement to get.
The people who would spend hundreds of dollars on this skin are the same people who have probably bought everything else.
ie: Riot stopped making money off their rich userbase with money management problems because they had already bought all the content, so now they're releasing content that takes hundreds of dollars to unlock.
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot KateyKhaos,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wpkJ69qI,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2016-06-22T17:27:43.018+0000)
Hope that context helps a bit :)
It doesn't. People want this specific skin because it is a specific theme for a specific champion that appeals to them, but it is only handed out randomly to players that may not care at all about Vayne or the Soulstealer theme and the only way to get it if you specifically want it (grinding hextech chests) is absolutely, undeniably, completely unreasonable for those customers.
Vistha Kai2 votesThen how about making Hextech Exclusive skins actually worth the effort?
Soulstealer Vayne doesn't even have a goddamn VO filter.
Gummî Bear2 votesWill you consider lowering the price of gamestones needed to optain Hextech exclusive content in the future? 10 gemstones are allot.
Riotmoonstones2 votesNot AFAIK.
MegaRedGyarados1 votesThis only seems to be setting grounds for a dangerous precedent which would allow Riot to boost skin value by putting them behind a grind/paywall.
looks like you answered your own question
Guy Fox Teemo2 votesI know you're just a msg'er but could you ask the team why they came to the conclusion that it was a good idea to make one of vaynes first high quality skins cost $300-500?
Seems like a very very very much money grab.
Valor Bot1 votesI really think that making Soulstealer Vayne a Hextech-exclusive item is a bad idea. Hextech skins SHOULD be Hextech-themed like the Annie skin, it's what makes the most sense. Soulstealer Vayne on the other hand feels tacked on and out of place in this system. Not only that, it's inconsistent too -- why is Soulstealer Vayne a good fit for Hextech but not Soulstealer Vladimir?
Please reconsider.
Krigjer5 votesI saw someone that spent 500$ on Hextech and had 8/10 fragments for Hextech Annie. So it's possible she'll be even more than 300$...
Ultîma3 votesThe only Vayne skin that's appropriately ''dark'' and it's an exclusive. I want to pay RP for it and I can't. I'd rather the Hextech line of skins be this ultra-rare, special set of mystical-mech looking skins that we identify with crafting. Soulstealer Vlad is already out and available, it's really a shame to prevent people from pairing up through a grind wall.
GreenLore1 votesThey said they plan to make gemstone sales in one way or another,so if you are lucky you can simply buy them like that.
Guy Fox Teemo2 votesYea and then those gem stones will cost like 500 RP, and you'll have to spend 5000 RP for a 1350 RP skin.
THeres no rarity to it, its just a matter of how much you spend.
Blood Magicks2 votesSoulstealer Vlad is already out and available, it's really a shame to prevent people from pairing up through a grind wall.
This tbh, all my Vayne player buddies want to match with me in games but they can't because they're not THAT loaded.
Linkace3 votesit would be a 1350 if hextech didnt exist. sad days sad days sips apple juice
Oleandervine2 votesI love how you all keep claiming that this skin costs $300 or more. It doesn't. You can luck out and get this skin without spending a dime. It only costs $300 because you folks are so impatient and OCD that you're willing to drop that much money into it have it right now.
Quepha1 votesI love how you all keep claiming that this skin costs $300 or more. It doesn't. You can luck out and get this skin without spending a dime. It only costs $300 because you folks are so impatient and OCD that you're willing to drop that much money into it have it right now.
The average time it takes to acquire the skin without spending money is 5 years. 5 years is unreasonable. The average amount of money it takes to acquire the skin without waiting is 300 dollars. 300 dollars is unreasonable. But you can also mix those two amounts with a combination of waiting and spending money, however... 2.5 years and 150 dollars is unreasonable. 1 year and 240 dollars is unreasonable. 4 years and 60 dollars is unreasonable. Any combination of waiting and money at these rates is unreasonable. Riot is being unreasonable.
Oleandervine1 votesThe average time it takes to acquire the skin without spending money is 5 years. 5 years is unreasonable. The average amount of money it takes to acquire the skin without waiting is 300 dollars. 300 dollars is unreasonable. But you can also mix those two amounts with a combination of waiting and spending money, however... 2.5 years and 150 dollars is unreasonable. 1 year and 240 dollars is unreasonable. 4 years and 60 dollars is unreasonable. Any combination of waiting and money at these rates is unreasonable. Riot is being unreasonable.
Soo this data - the system has barely been out for a few months, and it's random. What's your population pool you're pulling these numbers from? How many people do you know who have spend $200 or more and gotten Annie? How many people have spent less? You can't make concrete claims about a randomized system with a rarity indicator on a tiny survey pool.
Quepha1 votesSoo this data - the system has barely been out for a few months, and it's random. What's your population pool you're pulling these numbers from? How many people do you know who have spend $200 or more and gotten Annie? How many people have spent less? You can't make concrete claims about a randomized system with a rarity indicator on a tiny survey pool.
The droprate for gemstones is estimated at 1 in 25 chests from a number of players who opened many chests on the PBE as well as players opening chests after the system went live. The odds of attaining the skin through a shard or reroll is around 1 in 600 (the number of skins in the game) and as such is much too small to be a relevant factor.
The most well-known example is Anniebot who had to open 328 chests to get hextech annie over the course of a couple weeks.
The price of hextech chests is fixed. The rate at which you acquire them without money is fixed. The odds are pretty much completely known at this point, the margin of error is small.
And even if the margin of error were MUCH larger than expected, something absolutely ridiculous like 50%, the numbers (150 dollars or 2.5 years) would still be completely unreasonable.
Ashen Rider1 votesIt's SUPPOSED to be a rare skin. Something that when you see in game, you go "Oh shit, that's pretty cool".
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashen Rider,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wpkJ69qI,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-22T20:00:36.809+0000)
It's SUPPOSED to be a rare skin. Something that when you see in game, you go "Oh shit, that's pretty cool".
I usually think "wow that guy is a moron for spending that much money, him falling for this scam actually encourages Riot to make the game worse"
Rarity for its own sake is not a good thing. Riot realized that at one point when they stopped doing limited skins and changed many limited skins to legacy, and then they appeared to forget it when they made hextech crafting.
Quepha1 votesThe price is bullshit for Hextech Annie and it's bullshit for Soulstealer Vayne.
Tahyana1 votesTo really make it fair, imho, they should release as an RP item for a limited time and then move it to Hextech crafting. This way, those with money can afford to buy it and have it for their character, and those, like me, who are fund limited can drool over it and hope we get a shard. Just thinking.
FEAR Turtel1 votesI mean can we do something to make Riot change their mind? it has been a long time waiting for a high quality skin for Vayne(Arclight Vayne lost Vayne's dark-themed concept so I don't like that). and it's too desperate to know that Soulstealer Vayne will be a crafting exclusive skin, just like Hextech Annie! this means we Vayne main must cost $300 to get this... I think its unacceptable for most players...
i spent 10$ and got this skin? So idk what u mean 300$
