Nocturne's lore and rework ideas

SmokeDragon·Jun 2, 2019·8 votes·8,451 views

After the results show, Nocturne was 2nd to last on the poll and might be the last champion to get his rework of the 5, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be talked about, and this gives us plenty of time to think of some ideas for the nightmare. Since Nocturne is suppose to be a living nightmare and kills his victims with fear, that's what his kit and his lore should be revolved around.

But what do people fear, spiders, the dark, clowns, losing your promos, death? Everyone fears something, it's always different and sometimes we don't know what that fear is, but there is one fear everyone that not even the most courageous can handle.

The unknown. Not knowing on what could happen and fear on what that outcome could be, is scarier than knowing what will happen next. That's what Nocturne does, he brings fear to the ones that don't understand, Every region of Runeterra fears something that wish not to handle and would rather lock it away or isolate it from the outside world hoping history will forget.

So instead of being this shadow demon with blades he uses to kill his victims with, he's more of a well... thing. He's still looks like a shadow but with the blades removed, or at least the metal part is, and instead he can uses his body to transform into anything while still having that dark shadow look, such as the blades he uses to kill people with. Or maybe even using his transforming powers till kill people with.

And so he lurks behind the victim, and the victim feels his presences but they don't see him. Longer and longer Nocturne sticks to them, the more insane they become, they would sometimes see illusions of multiple shadow figures around them. And without knowing who the victim attacks, they would kill their own love ones, and destroy everything they build. Sometimes Nocturne doesn't kill his victims, but lets them destroy themselves from the inside. And makes you wonder is he even real, or just a figment of our imagination?

So how would this work for his gameplay? I only have one idea and it's for his ultimate. I love it and was the first ultimate I liked when coming into LoL, but sadly would have to change into some sort of an illusion ultimate, where his player models would show to the poor sucker he cast it on, and the illusion would either be made up of their teammates which the player could attack and team kill their allies, or just fake copies of Nocturne and for each fake copy destroyed would hurt the player.

He should also rely more on the fear effect since he suppose to be a living nightmare, not some bladed creature that couldn't get into the band Pentakill.

This is something I just came up with in one day, and some of it did sounded better in my head. But it's something to think about, and you guys can make changes or say this should be this instead. But I think it should relate to how the fear of the unknown destroy someone from the inside and even civilizations.

9 Comments

Bootleg GayJun 2, 20194 votes

I believe Nocturne is one of the demons in League, similar to Tahm and Evelynn. If those two represent greed and lust respectively, that leaves room for a demon of fear. However, with Fiddlesticks being a fear champion himself and his update pending, it's hard to say. They've already decided they want to drive Fiddle into a jumpscare, more terrifying version of himself.

I'm pretty sure Fiddlesticks is also a demon, and most likely for fear, especially with him being updated long before Nocturne. But, as nightmares go, I don't think he'd be a bad candidate for a demon of wrath, akin to the mild '7 deadly sins' theme going on.

I expect he should be a stronger diver, with new tools to scare enemies away from each other so he can single then out and maul them with blades.

Just my thoughts on the living nightmare!

SmokeDragonJun 2, 20191 votes

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FlameHalbrdOkidoJun 2, 20191 votes

Im sure u are as familiar as I am with the kind of backlash Riot gets either for changing the wrong thing or just changing a lot of things in general. B/c Noct is SO tied with with Fear in pretty much every aspect of every part of him, id really like to hear your points as to why Noct should be made into a demon of wrath rather than a demon of fear. Noct is a pretty old champion as in Fiddle, so in both cases their design is basically really bad when compared to their current standard.

Noct has those blades because they make it very easy for people using old computers with low graphic specs to tell where the dmg is coming from: the blades are a different color from him, are big, and have a shiny white edge. Also they look cool, and kinda scary if u don't really think about what they mean for design, b/c honestly they don't fit his Lore old or current at all. Also anyone can have blades on them that isn't going to make anyone think they should be affiliated with anything. If you wanted a weapon to represent Wrath well: Nothing says rage like beating someone to near death and causing blunt-force trauma. When someone really wants to hurt someone else and has the ability to overpower their enemy u can bet they will throw away most other weapons that will get the job done too quickly and start pounding away with their bare fist, or if there’s a blunt object handy, maybe a lead pipe or a very big very heavy wrench. Do some research on the Aztecs and why they used the macuahuitls, it has something to do with fearing their patron god anger and war. It was a weapon not for ending the fight quickly but for causing the opponent as much pain and bleeding as possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C4%ABtzil%C5%8Dp%C5%8Dchtli https://www.quora.com/If-the-seven-deadly-sins-had-weapons-to-represent-them-which-weapons-would-you-choose now look u CAN argue that my research was surface lvl but all I want to say is that if u wanted a weapon that SPECIFICALLY represents wrath there are better weapons than a simple blade, or rather arm mounted blades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDRaVOx-22M

Bootleg GayJun 2, 20192 votes

Ugh, these are some of my favorite weapons! Does that say something about me? [sg-shisa]

FlameHalbrdOkidoJun 4, 20191 votes

yes u are a wrathful being LOL JK, ur fine these are just weapons thats people have done research on and thought to be best fitting, they dont REALLY mean anything, but the research does explain why they are fitting. Has nothing to do with personal preference.

FlameHalbrdOkidoJun 2, 20191 votes

Fiddle is more of a backcountry legend than a demon of fear i think, and this really has a lot to do with his current lore and his visuals, while Tahm and Eve both look like organisms, Fiddle really just looks like some spirit took over a scarecrow, as such and very much due to the fact that Noct exist i think a disservice to Noct and Fiddle to make Fiddle a demon of fear rather than a rural legend; the sort of thing that farmers at the edge of civilization bring up when they are talking about someone else disturbing a old burial ground to start a farm. And for Fidd's lore he was accidentally summoned, that also sounds like a potential rural legend, probs something like this: Some Farmer tries to summon a golem to chase off bird or other people but then notices the scarecrow moves on its own when he isn't giving it order or something like that.

it should also be pointed out that many confuse Tahm and Eve's purpose or rather what they hunger for/feed on. While Tahm does indeed mostly use human's greed, he feed on their despair, and while Eve uses lust, she feeds on pain. In both of their cases, they use a certain human desire as a vehicle to obtain the MOST despair or pain from a single target. But they are WHOLLY capable of using other means to an end to obtain what they want. This is made evident in one of Tahm's color stories: instead of using Greed he convinces a person to lie as they float down a river, but ultimately their lies cause them to be isolated, and Tahm feeds on their despair in this case.

Riot has no intention to remake the 7 deadly sins in league this is just a case of people misunderstanding a few things. Noct isn't going to made into a demon for wrath, if they did Noct players would be in an uproar. Noct is clearly about fear because thats what nightmares are all about. They will find a way to rework Fiddle w/o stepping on Noct's toes. Noct is the living nightmare Fiddlesticks is basically the "experiment" gone horribly wrong.

Bootleg GayJun 2, 20192 votes

Fair enough, though I'm still in belief that Fiddle, Noct, and Shaco will be "retconned" into demons, though not necessarily as I've stated. The 7 deadly sins was just the closest thing in our world that translates well to the other demons, but doesn't have to fit 1:1.

That just begs the question of exactly what direction Riot will take the two of them lore wise, because they certainly have a little overlap, which isn't inherently a bad thing. (Nautilus and Puke come to mind.)

FlameHalbrdOkidoJun 2, 20191 votes

Im sure there is a pretty gud chance that both may in up as "demons" in someway or another even if I want Fiddle to end up as something slightly different. So if they as u say both end up as demons, then it would actually be a very bad idea to continue the 7 deadly sins trope, because even IF Tahm and eve were being counted (tho that would just be a misunderstanding by shoving their nuances under the carpet), they take up Lust and Greed/Gluttony, and that leaves Envy, Pride, and Wrath, and niether Fiddle nor Noct fit into those theme, there are other champions who would actually fit better rather than trying to shoehorn Fiddle or Noct into those themes.

Nautilus and Pyke (lol can't believe u said Puke) actually have a situation that makes the reason why their lores are similar believable. They are both from Bilgwater a location that is known for having cut-throat people regularly sail out on ships together. In that type of society its actually pretty believable that people dying out at sea at the hands of others cutting their chains/lines/ropes and leaving them to die. Heck people dying out at sea in the times of our OWN world during the age of Whaling or Pirates (the types of times Bilgewater is kinda reminiscent of) was a common occurrence. Its just the fact Runeterra has magic that has allowed a few like Naut and Pyke to come back.

But funnily enough even though their lore is similar you would find it a bit harder to confuse their theme or role in the game, compared to Noct and Fiddle. This is why getting Noct and Fiddle's theme right is MUCH more important, because in the lore we don't know their origin that well, they are both enigmas, and they both can play the game in similar roles as ambushing junglers. The fact that one is AP and the other is AD isn't enough of a difference. Thus we have to rely on Riot getting their theme and thus their Lore right meaning we need a clear difference.

Bootleg GayJun 2, 20192 votes

Lmao, autocorrect done really got me with Puke. I hope you carry this new meme with you everywhere.

I think you're right in that the 7 deadly sins trope could be fitting of other champs rather than Fiddle or Noct. That said, those are sins in our world. Runeterra taboo and the subsequent emotions they cause could be weighed differently. For instance, in a world with strong factions, being selfish in the face of the many in cases like betrayal or abandonment could be viewed as terrible things by the likes of Demacia or Frejlord tribes, whereas sloth could be viewed more like a disease akin to mental struggles.

The start of the connections are there, and the other two demons "food" of pain and dispair could be expanded on instead. Could Nocturne feast on fear and Fiddle on anxieties? Maybe even consuming happiness a la Dementor could be in order. (Side note, just realized Nocturne does kinda resemble a dementor. Probably not coincidence.)

In the end, it could be very 7DS-esque, but I wouldn't want a 1:1 of those concepts displayed. Swapping certain traits of the horrors we face in our world and the underlying causes of such taboo is definitely needed.