My opinion on the Swain rework as a veteran Swain-Main

Nifht·1/23/2018, 8:25:57 PM·32 votes·8,384 views

Hello guys! I'm a LAS player nicknamed Iulos Dageim who happens to love both Swain and the discussions here on the boards. Swain has been my main for years now, probably seven? I can't quite remember, I started playing since the ending of season one and I found him pretty quickly. He was the champ that made me comfortable at maining something, before Swain I jumped from one champion to another. His rework was due, tho, as his kit was pretty toxic and he was visually outdated, but I grew incredibly fond of his character, and I felt a lot of champions would get updated before my main. The reason I feel the need to say this is because Riot didn't stand a great chance at pleasing me. Maybe to someone not fond of current Swain his rework is a hundred percent improvement, but thats not how I feel about it. I'll proceed to express my opinion about whats good on the rework, and what, I feel, was lost in the process of modernization.

-Kit: Swain's new kit is, in my opinion, the highest improvement of his rework. The current Swain kit has a lot of problems, the biggest one is lack of interaction other than "hey dude, just don't stand there". Besides that, most players think his kit is unable to express skill even by experienced Swain players (which, tbh, I mostly agree). The reworked kit is basic enough to still not be considered a crazy mechanic champion (like birbman Azir), but is certainly more complex than his current kit. I absolutely adore the passive and the ult (not visual-wise, but i'll get into that later), while also liking his Q-W-E. Those three skills, however, feel pretty basic, with the biggest offender being the Q. I don't want to be holded against my words, tho. I'll be a fairer judge of his kit tomorrow, when he hits the PBE.

-Lore: Lorewise, Swain seems really close to his old depiction. He is still the cunning grand-general, who has big enough balls to fight his own fights, both military and intellectual ones. The only thing that worries me is him turning way too much of a good guy in the end. I know he is still ruthless, but I wouldn't like Riot to go overboard with how much justified his actions are. The addition of him being a victim of the ionian wars feels like a great one to make, and I look forward to know more about his story and how he interacts with the rest of League's universe (I'm dying to hear his voice over).

-Visuals: This is, by far, the part I dislike the most about the rework. Swain went from a crippled, kinda hunched, old man WITH A GORGEOUS BIRD to a really elegant, imposing, tall and handsome guy who happens to have white and long hair. Don't get me wrong though, I'll judge the rework with nostalgia-tinted glasses, as his new design is pretty great even by Riot standards (though I feel like his base skin could be better, but I'll get to that at the end of this post) New Swain doesn't seem to have the dark and threatening vibes old Swain had, and that was one of the greatest parts of his design. When playing old Swain I felt like I was using a wise warlock who, even though taxed by his time on this world, had an enormous amount of power. This has been lost on his rework, as he is now a more in-your-face powerful. While old Swain felt aged, new Swain only shows his time on Runeterra through his white hair. Problem is, his hair could be any color and the core feel of the champion wouldn't change a bit, as we will probably see in his Bilgewater skin. In other words, they feel different: Old Swain correlates with the wise, dark and crippled warlock (pretty much like most female witches are described, but with a male character), while New Swain correlates with the immortal, ever-young warlock trope, which I don't really enjoy nor do I find necessary, as we have quite of those in the roster (Vladimir, for starters, and I'll expand later). Needless to say, I'll judge this more thoroughly on the PBE. Another visual thing that grinds my gears is the lack of Beatrice on all of his skins. I hesitated about putting Beatrice here instead of in the lore section, but I'm pretty confident that she still is a thing, probably the demon present in the bit of lore we had. However, the demon-crow was always present on Swain's shoulder, and was a great addition to his in-game feel and, also, to his skins. For those who don't know, Beatrice was the emblematic crow that stood on Swain's shoulder, and it changed to an owl or a parrot on Northern front and Bilgewater skins. Being empathic only to his bird made Swain, at least to me, a really intresting character, and I can't help but to feel heartbroken about her not being visibly there anymore. The third point of my complaint about his visual is the removal of Swain's leg cripple. I genuinely liked the fact that Swain was a stupid-powerful guy who happend to have a crippled leg. I'm aware of both: the old theory that his broken leg was a fascade to trick his opponents to think he was weaker than he was (which I don't really like), and the fact that he now lacks one arm. I wouldn't have had any problems with exchanging his crippled leg for a severed arm, but he doesn't feel crippled anymore because his lacking arm was replaced with a fully funcional demonic arm. Last but not least, I'm really disappointed on the half-transformation Swain goes through with his ult. I have always loved monstrous champions, and loved both pre+post rework Yorick, and pre+post rework Urgot. However with the change you guys are pulling here, Swain feels like an epic, evil villain, instead of a monstrous, fear inducing nightmare. I really can't express how much of a let-down this is for me, as I feel it betrays the darker half of my so loved main.

If you had read this post whole, I'm really thankful. I made this to vent my feelings over the new Swain, and it ended up being way more than I thought it would be. I'll try to summarize the three biggest problems I have with the new rework, in order to try and focus fixing them (though I doubt something will change, as all of this is only my opinion and the new Swain is pretty great).

-Swain feels way too clean: New Swain looks amazing, but it feels, imo, made with the same cookie-cutter looks used on both BloodLord Vladimir and, to a lesser degree, BloodStone Taric. He is a tall, imposing,handsome , long-haired and menacing guy with a heavy and elegant armor. This isn't bad per se, but I feel like is unfitting with the Swain persona. His looks give him an aristochratic feel, he is way too elegant and clean in comparison to old Swain, and it doesn't suit him imho. This is an even worse offender if you think that Swain pulled noxians to support him because they recognized their own ideals through him, and I feel like Noxus is better represented by someone that looks more roughened up. I would start by changing his facial features and shortening his hair.

-Beatrice is dead: I've already talked about this, so I'll keep it short. Taking the crow out of his looks feels like a bad move. It's a great visual asset and it was core to his identity. Also, by removing her, you remove the thematic change of his skins, which was a great incentive to buy them.

-Wings are sexy, crow demons are not: With the visual change to his ultimate, Swain went from a terrifying monster to a dope-ass anime-looking character. His new ult looks great, but betrays his old monstrous vibes, and those were also a big deal on Swain's core identity. Furthermore, this problem plus the one before (lack of Beatrice) erase every connection to his second, more bestial half.

TL;DR: I loved old Swain, I like new Swain. His kit is gold, his lore seems cool, his visual desing is pretty betraying to his old persona. Changing his base look to be more roughend up would be a great start (please make him less like Blood Lord Vladimir). Please bring back Beatrice-chan and full transformation.

44 Comments

Valaran Nara1/23/2018, 9:34:34 PM12 votes

As somebody who doesn't care about Swain, each bit of his visuals you brought up was exactly what I knew would be complained about.

Because, honestly, let's face it. If they don't LOOK like the champion, reception won't be taken well at face value. With that being said.

I was kind of disappointed that he did not keep his crippled leg. I can see how they handled it with it being transferred over to his "missing" arm. In fact, I feel that, lore wise, he made a deal with Beatrice for his powers. And when he did, she gave him a new arm to replace the one he lost. Honestly, lorewise, it makes perfect since. Just, visually, it feels different, y'know? It's not bad, but it was piece people wanted to stay the same.

Also, I'm glad that the raven motif overall still appears as his passive and within his quote. In fact, it even feels more integral now as it looks less like, 'Oh I chose to do it like thi" as opposed to it being a power source or a moniker of where said source comes from. With that being said, if you don't pay attention to the passive, the lack of Beatrice is a bit blaring and hurts for those who might jump to conclusions that she just doesn't exist anymore, PERIOD.

Also...he's not green. He matches his faction now, which is proper, but he's not green. 0 points for House Slytherin.

Thefrostyviking1/23/2018, 9:49:26 PM8 votes

OP you hit it all pretty spot on i think, i also feel that his new kit and lore seems overall amazing, but the missing bird on his shoulder, the cane, along with his new style, particularly head and hair, feel hella odd.

Doesn't look right on a militant dictator at all, i´d figure he´d be more towards the Tywin lannister side, from game of thrones.

Decrit1/23/2018, 8:50:07 PM6 votes

As i already said somewhere else, i believe full trasnformation is a no-no.

basically, it is a fully functional model for a skill that lasts few seconds and that has to deal with all the nuances of display ( how it interacts graphically with spells and spell effects, animation, skins and so on). which honestly it's a little wasted, given it's all resources that could be used somewhere else. It was a problem even before his rework, since it blocked him for having many skins. For sure they won't add one after.

I am not a Swain main or fan by any point, but i can at least say this with some certainlity.

Mcsquzzy1/24/2018, 5:17:51 AM3 votes

old swain was deemed not edgy enough to fit in with the likes of demonblade Yasuo, Kayn, and new Varus.

Keepe1/23/2018, 10:31:31 PM3 votes

As a veteran of LoL and a once Swain Main (now has no main), yeah... pretty spot on.

Only complaint I have on his kit is that his passive is a wee bit annoying and will take getting used to. But that's because I am old and "do not like different". The rest, I look forward to seeing in action. Good luck, Totally-Not-Shadow-Fiend.

Lore, I can follow it. So no complaints.

Design, well while I like the new Blood Lord Vladamir model, I am wondering where Swain is. Stock-Dude-In-Armor is a bit frustrating to see, especially when I can argue that they took Ryze and Sion and improved on them design-wise. So seeing the creative team turn out something practically unrecognizable is just... a disappointment. And the sad thing is, you know nothing is going to change about it. Oh well...

[cass-cry]

Skorch1/23/2018, 11:22:37 PM2 votes

I do miss Beatrice on his shoulder however while I do enjoy cripple swain, new swain makes sense.

Old Swain WAS NOT the leader of Noxus, He made an excellent member of the black rose. But for NOXUS, the country about wide shoulders, back straight, march to the beat. Swain... wasnt that. He was TOO visually aged, closer to an injured villian/aged ruler, the one that is locked in a room for thousands of years but is still powerful. Old Swain WASNT a figurehead.

However I personally would find it somewhat cool if he WASNT crippled, but just had the SLIGHTEST limp, barely noticable. Like his 1 foot is 1 inch shorter than the other. That and beatrice.

SeductiveGrandpa1/24/2018, 12:03:33 PM2 votes

While I agree with you on most of what you stated here, I have a problem with this constant "he doesn't look intimidating anymore" point others keep bringing up. A lot of people seem to think that "Old Swain" felt like you were playing a "dark and threatening" character but honestly, I don't see it.

I always thought Old Swain looked fucking ridiculous, sure his Bird Form was kinda creepy but even then, his model looked so outdated and his VA was so limited that I found him hilarious. I never, ever, played Swain and went "God, this character feels so intertwined with their lore" I felt like I was playing some weird ass old guy that turns into a bird. Although, I'll give it to you that he should probably be visually roughed up a bit and maybe return the limp and the cane as I really liked that on old swain because it set up how great his dance was.

Honestly, I think New Swain is semi-perfect and my only complaint is that some of his older kit wasn't really remade into his newer kit, as I really liked his old Q, although it seems features of his older kit have been spread and put into all of the skills rather than making them the skills themselves.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1/24/2018, 1:59:59 AM2 votes

Why did they give him a demon arm and not, like, a demon leg? He can still be crippled, might have to hide it in lore with a cane, could even have raven claws ...

NextSeasonBetter1/24/2018, 12:03:41 PM1 votes

noob

SirButtplug1/24/2018, 8:51:33 PM1 votes

very well said especially the part about his cookie-cutter looks being very similar to BloodLord Vladimir BloodStone Taric.

SirButtplug1/24/2018, 8:54:38 PM1 votes
Nefas1/23/2018, 11:33:33 PM1 votes

Very well said

Crymoricus1/26/2018, 10:49:46 AM1 votes

They did this one right.

Velasan1/24/2018, 5:55:23 AM1 votes

Yeah, I can see your points about Swain being a grizzled kind of character. They definitely increased his elegance factor.

I'm not so sure I felt old Swain was imposing though, he had that funny raspy voice. As a fellow Swain main I don't mind the new look, but I will miss the full transformation ult. New ult looks amazing with the visuals, but it isn't as iconic as transforming into a giant demon bird.

For me personally the thing I will miss the most is Swains E. I liked that ability a lot. Pretty sure Beatrice is still around though. It looks like she lands on his arm and is absorbed into it making it demonic.

About using cunning too in some ways I feel like the new kit will make more use of strategic moves and have way more skill expression. A definite bonus.

TheMoralSupport1/24/2018, 11:55:50 AM1 votes

Old Swain correlates with the wise, dark and crippled warlock (pretty much like most female witches are described, but with a male character), while New Swain correlates with the immortal, ever-young warlock trope, which I don't really enjoy nor do I find necessary, as we have quite of those in the roster (Vladimir, for starters, and I'll expand later). Needless to say, I'll judge this more thoroughly on the PBE.

I love this, you expressed exactly what I didn't manage to do. I really hope Riot takes this post into consideration.