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The real reason people are getting twitchy about Blood Moon Elise.

Takran··113 votes·58,241 views

It's happening! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nD2bT6UMQnk/VHPwMyLPvfI/AAAAAAAAePo/oI2UU3JKf-I/s1600/humanelise.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GScloapFelI/VHPwM2LQDUI/AAAAAAAAePs/Ig7Jysc9Bdg/s1600/spidercompare.jpg

BIG TOP OF POST EDIT: I think this needs saying before the rest of the post since this is picking up momentum. The skin itself is NOT bad. It is actually very good, it just fails to be a good Blood Moon skin. Right now, most of the community seems to agree that a rename would be optimal (Masquerade, Heartseeker, Marquis, or Order of the Lotus all seem like good fits)

Such a change would take minimal work on Riot's part, make lots of community members happy, lets Elise have a quality skin, and offer a comfortable time cushion to design a better Blood Moon Jungler skin in the future.

The remainder of the posts analyzes why the skin not cohesive with the Blood Moon theme, and proposes lots of suggestions for why and what could help improve it.

I've noticed a lot of discussion on Blood Moon Elise lately. I am quite a fan of the blood moon skin line, and was happy to see Elise added. Lots of people don't like the pink, but I agree with what riot has said about her skins: her base skin does have a lot of red, and for her first new purchasable skin, pink is a good direction to take it. There is still something that makes me jittery though...and I think I finally put my finger on it.

Elise is the final member of the blood moon team...and she breaks the aesthetic badly. Compare these images:

http://i.imgur.com/MIrUaoA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FvRMhHH.jpg

Not a huge difference. Doesn't seem that significant to me. Now compare these:

http://i.imgur.com/qesZDk8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LpL23PO.jpg

There it is! Most of the blood moon skins take advantage of reds, whites, and blacks. Right now Blood Moon Elise is pink, Blue, and Gold. It sticks out badly, and ruins the aesthetic. To be cohesive, she needs, reds and whites. I agree with the idea of straying from lots of black, but she NEEDS red and white, at least for her mask, if nothing else.

I do agree that it is quite possible for the skin to look too much like base, like so:

http://imgur.com/T8prQw3

But in my opinion this is still better for the team than what is there now.

Now that you can look at comparisons, what are your thoughts?

EDIT: another point that bears mentioning is that her mask doesn't fit the blood moon theme very well. I don't think it is bad, but a horn or two and some white paint could go a long way. This post for reference:

All blood moon masks are thick, with a red and white palate, cover the mouth, and have horns of some fashion. Elise's is Pink and gold, and is mostly dainty filigree, and is only a half mask. It's like comparing these:

http://i.imgur.com/JB746Ug.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZalDb00.jpg

Both are good, they just don't belong together.

EDIT2: There have been suggestions that a rename may be better. Compare her to masquerade Evelynn. They share way more visual ques than the Blood Moon Team, in mask shape, colors, attire, and shadow isles ladies. Look at this:

http://i.imgur.com/exntLt1.jpg Other good suggestions are order of the lotus and heartseeker. Check it out:

http://i.imgur.com/9h3TVYX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5OxcNDC.jpg

This way, Elise could have a full quality skin (no repetitive colors etc) and still leave one Jungler spot open for the Blood Moon team that fits the aesthetic better.

Plus, they can make an event of the final blood moon release, and have time for a ward skin and icon for skin theme enthusiasts.

For more discussion, who do you think would make a good blood moon jungler in Elise's place?

EDIT3: Now that I think about it, imagine what a spectacular Oni Nocturne would make. He has a humanoid upper half and a spectral lower half. He does have red, black, and white already, but I feel he would make a much more suitable companion on the team than Elise at the moment. It has been ages since he has had a skin too. I mean look at this face: Nocturne Doesn't it just beg for a Blood Moon Mask?

TL;DR Blood Moon Elise is fine standing alone, but looks bad when paired with her team.

93 Comments

HexTechBomber26 votes

The pink doesn't fit, I understand their preference on this but it should remain red if it wants to be apart of the whole blood moon reference, as well that mask.

Takran5 votes

I think it either needs a recolor and a little mask tweak, or a rename. I think the reasoning was sound in a vacuum, but as the final member of such a team, I think it helps to think of it on a grander scale.

Stephenizgod2 votes

I wonder if we could sign a petition for Riot to slightly alter the color scheme and change the name. I know its Riots game and their design, but i think releasing this as Blood Moon Elise would be a terrible mistake on their part. Im pretty sure they will regret it later on down the line, plus im pretty sure majority of the community wants the name changed.

Baron Von Bangin12 votes

I don't really understand Riot's argument that she already has red abilities so red would look bad on her. Look at Thresh, he's got both both that's okay. Maybe I'm missing something.

Takran20 votes

The idea is they don't want it to look too similar to the base skin, which has red particles. I think it is wise to want to make it unique from the base skin, but not at the cost of undercutting the blood moon skin line.

I think the particles are fine as is - it is just the texture that needs a recolor to match the rest of the line.

junglerboy1610 votes

If they didn't want it to look like her base skin, then choose a different champion to get a blood moon skin, elise doesn't even make sense. Shen and Akali both fit because they are ionian and it is culturally accurate to the lore behind their region. Kalista and Thresh both make sense based on the statement that Riot made about blood moon Kalista being based off of local Ionian legend about her (supposedly, Thresh has a similar reason). Elise just has no reason to be in this skin line at all. They could have chosen almost *any *Ionian or shadow isles champ other than elise and it would have made more sense, and they could have chosen a champ that doesn't require compromising the aesthetic integrity of the line just because it looks like the base. This just seems like Riot getting lazy and sloppy about skins.

Takran5 votes

I am really thinking the idea of a rename is a good one. Elise gets a better skin as intended, Blood Moon gets a new jungler, and everyone wins.

Overlord Revya2 votes

I believe the reason behind why they chose Elise is because of Japanese mythology,. If you look into the skin line, specifically the masks, you will find that they represent Japanese demons and evil spirits.

One of these demons is a spider that take the form of a woman to seduce men. It has sex with the man and then kills and eats him. the lighter colors used in the skin also help dive the seductress part home IMHO.

Stephenizgod12 votes

Personally i dont like the Blood Moon Elise skin, i feel it is the worst of the line and even as a stand alone skin its lacking. Its not a bad skin but to me i feel it is just lacking that Blood Moon feel. Admittedly it does look a lot better red than pink, but it still doesnt live up to the other Blood Moon skins. There seems to be a demon/horned mask theme with the others that hers doesnt have. Her outfit is also not as flashy or noticeable as the others, i find i need to zoom in all the way to even see the details of it, whereas the other you can just look at and see the details. Overall its just lackluster to me, but this is just my opinion of course.

Takran7 votes

I can completely agree that her mask is out of line too, but again it comes largely to colors.

All blood moon masks are thick, with a red and white palate, and have horns of some fashion. Elise's is Pink and gold, and is mostly dainty filigree, and is only a half mask. It's like comparing these:

http://i.imgur.com/JB746Ug.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZalDb00.jpg

Both are good, they just don't belong together.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Exactly! I really hope they do a bit more work on her, it has so much potential to be awesome. It just seems they put most of their creativity into Blood Moon Thresh who i think looks freakin amazing, totally fits the theme.

Takran6 votes

Oh yeah! Blood Moon Thresh and Kalista are amazing, and spot on! They fit well with Shen and Akali too. I LOVE what riot did with them, and it is why I am sad to see the last one choke like this.

WestTiger2 votes

A missed opportunity for a spider-themed demon mask. The funny thing is Bloodmoon Elise really just reminds me of LeBlanc. On first glance, that's the impression I get. It's LeBlanc. Remove the piddly little spider legs on her back and she could look like almost any other Riot sexy-fem, but mostly LeBlanc.

The spider design looks cool at least.

soulbanana811 votes

I really like the skin, but I just think that it doesn't fit the blood moon theme very well. It doesn't make her look aggressive or ritualistic in those pink clothes; however, the red makes her look a lot more serious.

Solaxo8 votes

red human form Elise looks like a prostitute tbh..

idrixXx6 votes

i personally liked the pink one , the new skins feel more like her classic one

Kaine5 votes

If this were Popstar Elise, it would be awsome.

But it isn't. I mean, to me, the Akali skin set the standard. The Blood Moon skins are CLASSY themed skins. Even if T and A are all over the place (side boobs honourable mention) on the main design, Blood Moon always seemed to me to take the better parts of traditional asian elegance and cultural influences in place of this cheap pink and skimpy clothing affair.

Dear Rito, namechange it. Make the gold pinks, and sell it in a release bundle with popstar Ahri.

I'll take 0.001% as royalties.

RoyaiChaos4 votes

Now's she too red. I agree she should be more red, but not like that, she's pretty much all her gracefulness that the skin is supposed to have. Honestly, I wish they would just rename the skin. It fits the theme, but I think it could still be something else.

Drakexionyx4 votes

Now's she too red. I agree she should be more red, but not like that, she's pretty much all her gracefulness that the skin is supposed to have. Honestly, I wish they would just rename the skin. It fits the theme, but I think it could still be something else.

^ Marquis Elise. There - simple, easy and ties it in to another skin which Elise's present 'Bloodmoon' actually matches nicely:

Takran6 votes

This! Or Perhaps Masquerade Elise. Compare her model to Eve - it would fit the theme well.

Frilly masks, skimpy pink/purple/blue attire, and shadow isles friends: http://i.imgur.com/rtyCBiG.jpg

EDIT: also, when working on the photoshopped colors, there were few surfaces I could turn white without it looking weird. I agree on too much red.

Drakexionyx2 votes

Yeah, but I see where you were going with your photoshop edits, and we all appreciate your efforts for providing a comparison. The simplest solution - renaming the skin so it fits with either the Marquis (Marquise - in Elise's case as she's female) or Masquerade line of skins - is the best one. Hopefully Riot shows some thematic sense and does this.

As for an alternative to round out the Blood Moon team in the jungle position - perhaps Blood Moon Vi, Xin Zhao, or Sejuani...

Mellophant4 votes

i dont play elise. never have. as someone who doesnt care for the champ i will say, i LOVE the skin. BUT what i DONT love is that its counting as a blood moon. the colors are off, and the mask is as well, like you said.

recolor and change the mask? sure. or rename it and make it its own skin/ pair it with someone else similar. hell, add some hearts and now its Heartseeker Elise. which really? that would be awesome. think about it. shes literally going to eat your heart, unlike Ashe and Vayne.

they could then give the last blood moon skin to a jungler like Eve, and that could be a kick start to her VU/GU too

Dustogrei4 votes

"I am really liking the idea of a rename is a good one. Elise gets a better skin as intended, Blood Moon gets a new jungler, and everyone wins."

^this. That way those who like the colors/look can buy it, and all those who are unhappy with the issue of it not matching the other Blood Moon will be happy.

No one is happy with it being called Blood Moon because it doesn't look blood moon at all - mask doesn't fit, neither do the colors. Rename it to Masquerade Elise.

Really hope Riot listens, cause right now it looks nice but is a zero fit with Blood Moon, even if you take into account the "open to interpretation from different cultures".

ChikTikka Quick4 votes

I'll upvote this, Elise should have been dressed up as a Geisha with a simple Kabuki mask, (this way pink could still work) and her spider form would be inspired by Jorōgumo, the spider queen demon of Japanese folklore+^_^+Elise item 3151

Shadowchaser994 votes

Still want Blood MoonDiana It would make so much sense for her as a character and her lore

Flamesilocks3 votes

You're spot on as far as I'm concerned. I like the skin, it's just not bloodmoon. And the color is the thing that sticks out most to me, but also everything else mentioned here.

5512022 votes

@Riot: Why Akali andElise do not wear their mask (on their face) like the others Kalista Shen Thresh ?

Takran5 votes

You know what would be amazing? Toggle-able masks like rengar's hood and Vi's glasses.

AbodyHUN6661 votes

night hunter rengar can toggle his hood??

Takran3 votes

Yep! It is awesome! Just by using taunt, joke, or laugh. Just like Neon Strike Vi's glasses and Heimer's walk cycle.

Knalxz2 votes

TBH I really don't like how the Shadow Isle just took over the Blood Moon Skins.

Before it seemed like an Ionian thing but now its just out of a wack.

Its like Orcs from Mordor going out on a play date with Hobbits.

Takran2 votes

TBH I really don't like how the Shadow Isle just took over the Blood Moon Skins.

Before it seemed like an Ionian thing but now its just out of a wack.

Its like Orcs from Mordor going out on a play date with Hobbits.

I feel it fits, since the whole blood moon thing represents the Oni (demon) characters in oriental theater. Having the demonic shadow isles and the oriental Ionia meet seems like a match made in heaven to me. Ninjas who play in the theater intermingled with actual demons? So amazing!

I am toying with the idea of Blood Moon Nocturne - imagine him in a blood moon mask...It would be amazing!

Drakexionyx2 votes

I'd also add Yi as a potential for the final Blood Moon in the jungle role - although he's already got a good bunch of skins, he hasn't really got a high quality classy one, outside of headhunter IMO. Also mixing his eye lenses thing with a demon mask? Could be pretty bad ass! XD

But also Lee Sin, Wukong, Udyr are ionian enough to fit the bill in the jungle role.

On the demon side as you said, Nocturne shows a lot of promise, Elise could, but it would resemble her classic skin too much with the colours unless they drastically alter the model, also Maokai (tree demon), Evelyn and Hecarim could all be notable additions for the final skin. Or perhaps even some champion they haven't released yet!

Machine Doll1 votes

Wukong already has a cool skin (Underworld) Udyr has Spirit Guard. Lee Sin or Nocturne would probably be the best additions from your suggestions, Evelynn got the new skin along with Twitch, and Hecarim is already part of the Arcade set.

Aimi2 votes

More like "Order of the Lotus" Elise to me but I still like the skin.

Tentacle Love2 votes

Sounds like team Blood Moon just doesn't want a terrible jungler.

I love Elise, she's just terrible at what she does.

The skin is fine but it could definitely use a better approach to the blood moon theme. Why isn't the skull mask covering the entire back of the model? Would make for a great approach to the theme.

That Ivory and gold mask you linked above would be awesome if it were the look of the spider.

I say, make Ivory the main color of the skin, and have the pink and black be the highlights. That would go far and it would make the theme a lot more cohesive.

Sukishoo2 votes

I think the pink is fine since Pink is a shad of red. It could use to be a tab darker though, that would probably help it blend in without them making it actually red.

catraven2 votes

a questionable buy anyway, but i wouldn't get it if it was red.

the pink 1 is good.

Xela Syab2 votes

Jinx shoulda got a bloodmoon skin. I can totally see her wearing a creepy mask.

Moonshade2 votes

I'd just rename it to like Kabuki Elise then give someone else an Oni style blood moon skin. They could give it to one of the demons of the jungle Lee SIn?

Ciso2 votes

I liked the magenta Elise! Simply change the name to masquerade or lotus or something else (not heartseeker), otherwise a great work is defaced!

ZillaToDisco2 votes

I liked the original most. I feel that the decorations and textures fit the overall blood moon theme. I also agree with riot that Elise's skin should look different from the original. Pink is the perfect choice.

Yulen Xoshxius2 votes

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I liked the original most. I feel that the decorations and textures fit the overall blood moon theme. I also agree with riot that Elise's skin should look different from the original. Pink is the perfect choice.

She looked cuter in pink. The other skins have her looking... rather unappealing. Which does not make sense when she supposedly lured people to the shadow Isles.

V Secret Angel1 votes

I like this skin the way it is and I like the name as well. I mean the Blood Moon is a group of ninja, samurai, and or assassins. Now I'm pretty sure we have all seen many female assassins depicted in a style similar to this Elise skin. So what it's pink, pink is just a lighter shade of red lol and isn't Shen's Blood Moon skin orange for the most part O.O? One last thought.. aren't most leaders of a group different from their subordinates in appearance and skill :P

KnightIy1 votes

I think they should keep the pink and name it heart seeker Elise makes more sense

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

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I think they should keep the pink and name it heart seeker Elise makes more sense

I think it would be better as lotus Elise... Or Geisha/ninja Elise or someting. I am with you on that it was prettier as pink.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

I liked it better in pink personally. It was prettier and more alluring for her entrappment of people. On a side note: Real reason we are twitchy is because we are tired of waiting.

Cryove1 votes

If you realize i think there's a sub theme to the theme's they might be creating because of Vandal Jax with his blue yellow and pink matching the color of Blood Moon Elise kind of an odd assumption maybe it's lore based. I believe riot has good enough reasoning behind the coloring of the skin.

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