Regarding Viktor's lore change in new Jayce stories

Vaslaganum·Dec 9, 2016·4 votes·1,100 views

Can you not?

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GreenLoreDec 9, 20161 votes

So what exactly did they change in it that much? Pretty much the only thing that is really new is that Viktor and jayce used to be buddies and they changed that this happened before Viktor became a cyborg(which actually implies that he did change afterwards),but the rest is basically just like Jayces old lore,only a bit more detailed described.

Beyond LegendsDec 9, 20161 votes

...I don't think there is much point to having an disscussion with these people since they don't listen to reason. There too far gone in their delusions and are making a cess pool of hate. Ignore or tell that their morons since both lead similiar result. Take the one that makes you feel better.

The Anagram KingDec 9, 20163 votes

You asked for it :P

MY beef here - and I can't speak for everyone - is that the new lore robs him of the complexities of his transformation.

Where there was an idealist who worked in waste management, now there is a man who talks of efficiency: Where there was a man who created sentience, now there is a man who talks gleefully about suppressing it; Where there was a naive student thrown under the bus and discredited upon achieving what should been the opus magnum of his career, there now stands an inattentive jerk, who was ratted out by another jerk. :P

He doesn't risk the turn from idealist to pragmatist. He doesn't risk the turn from liberator to suppressor. In his new incarnation, he was ALWAYS the Creator - and never the Herald.

This post is from my thread, and (I believe) sums up how I feel nicely:

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You're right, in a sense. A LOT of VIktor's character is wrought form interpretation of his actions and antics. A serious amount of which is an absence thereof (ie: His revenge against Stanwick never happened, so we know he decided against it).

But these snippets of information have painted a GEM of a picture.

Viktor began working towards improving the Zaunite environment. His city is covered in smog and pollution. From this, we deduce, that he's either a savvy businessman (pollution is a big deal, and everyone wants a solution), or an idealist.

Viktor creates a golem along with his team. It turns out to be sentient. He is absolutely elated by this. He takes pride in nothing more than his own achievement; and there is no mention of cash reward (though no reason to expect that this is not a major factor).

Viktor gets no recognition.

Viktor SEEKS recognition, and asks others to help him. He is naive. Zaun is not like that. It turns out he was an idealist all along.

Viktor loses his credibility. He'll never get it back unless he does something drastic.

VIktor transforms himself.

Viktor realises, halfway through, that his transformation has society-bending implications.

VIktor emerges, obsessed with the Glorious Evolution.

---End Scene---

There is SO much development in those tiny segments of story. He is complex, he evolves, and his future is uncertain. I do not MIND if he becomes "evil" - somewhere down the line. But to destroy his history just to fast-track his amoral tendencies in a new lore (while he's still human) throws sand right in the face of the amazing character Riot has created.

I interpret; but I try not to project. I can identify with most any character if I really try to; but I take offense to exceptional ones being shafted to suit others.

Beyond LegendsDec 9, 20161 votes

First of all that is a whole lot of head canon that does not match Viktor actual Lore

You assumption that Viktor was some sort of savy bussiness men is baseless and not mention in the lore anywhere. No where does it mention that he could be a savvy bussiness men and their is no evidence in the text that states such. We know only know thay Viktor has an passion for techmautry.

2 Viktor barely has line about being some sort of idealist other than a snippit where it his hope of a better society was replace by his obsessive ideal about the glorious evolution, this was mention in the second paragraph of his lore just before he forgo his humanity because of his augementation. That line seem almost tact one lazy because if you read the first paragrapgh of his lore you would more likely assume this.

Viktor an young passionate scientist created an robot that was suppose to desighn to help remove some toxic waste. He succeed in sentient one and expected to be reconized but unfortunetely get his tech stolen by his Professor. Mad that no one would believe him, he lock himself in his private study bitter and depressed. In order to help with his own depression Viktor decided to use his research on himself to get rid of his negative emotions and also further his own research. When he came out of that research he became obsess with the thing he Glorious Evolution and believe himself to be an patron on the future.

That is what more accurately happened in Viktor background. There was none of his naive or this hope for a better tommorrow. It was just a sad man who wanted to escape his emotions by augmenting himself but doing so drove him mad. There no savy bussiness man, no naive idealist, no him doing something drastic to regain credibility. There was nothing there but the lies of fanon that you Viktor fan believe that the lore was more tan some bare bone of an generic story.

There was nothing there to begin with.

The Anagram KingDec 9, 20162 votes

Exposition!

You only get into a profession for 2 reasons: 1: To make money. 2: Because you have a passion for it.

Viktor's lore doesn't talk about money. But it talks about ideals. If you have a 3rd reason, then feel free to offer it. I'm willing to concede to superior logic. But there's no explicit evidence that he used his TECH to purge his emotions (though he may have tried and failed).

His naivety comes from the fact that he expected justice in Zaun. You don't GET justice in Zaun. He plead, but his efforts fell on "deaf ears". When confronted by this truth, he withdrew from his college - he was not expelled. This is another example of a man's ideals being shattered.

Viktor's obsession was born from depression; in turn born from a shattered worldview. He did not BEGIN his journey as The Creator. And that's where the difference lies between old Viktor, and new, lies.

Beyond LegendsDec 9, 20161 votes

Desiring both to revolutionize his field and to eliminate the jealous human emotions which festered inside him, he engineered parts to replace and improve his own body.

Bitch do you even read?

GreenLoreDec 9, 20162 votes

So I ask you,which of these character aspects that are supposedly "lost" were ever present in Jayces lore?

Thats right. None.

And its the same in this case. We don't know through what Viktor went after Piltover didn't want anything to do with him anymore,we don't know what exactly he tried to do with the power crystal,we don't know how this event with Jayce changed him.

Yes,he tried to kill Jayce,but it was obvious that Jayce came prepared for a fight if necessary,he knew Jayce well enough to realize that he wouldn't agree with his ideas and the lore made it clear that he did not like attacking Jayce,it was something that he would have liked to avoid if possible.

The Anagram KingDec 10, 20162 votes

He loses his ideals. He loses his post-transformation shift in vision. He also is deprived of the epiphany moment, the naivety and the pursuit of justice in a corrupt system.

I'm not swayed on killing somebody because someone rocks up armed and starts a conversation with you. I've more self-restraint than insta-violence-mode. :P

GreenLoreDec 10, 20162 votes

How does he lose any of that? We don't know if he lost these things or not.

He loses his ideals

From what we've seen his goal is still to better humanity,his suggestion to control the worker was out of concern for the safety on the working place,not because he wanted to turn him into a slave.

He loses his post-transformation shift in vision.

This is quite frankly a blatant lie. How do you know that he looses his post-transformation shift in vision,if we did not see anything of his post-transformed self in this lore? When he appeared in Jayces lore it was BEFORE he became a cyborg,not after he became one. Its almost as if you did not even fully read Jayces lore,which wouldn't really surprise me....

He also is deprived of the epiphany moment, the naivety and the pursuit of justice in a corrupt system.

And again,how do you know that this is the case? We don't know what happened to him in zaun.It is easily possible that he still had his conflict with Stanwick piddly in the new lore. There is nothing that suggests that it didn't happen,yet you simply assume that this is the case,simply because they don't tell us Viktors backstory in Jayces biography....