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So I love Yasuo but hate his new skin, and I'm afraid he wont get another of this caliber.

ElijahDaniel··8 votes·2,363 views

So I appreciate the concept of order vs. chaos, Riven vs Yasuo and all, but when it comes to his new skin I have a few problems, and what it all boils down to is I feel like the new skin disregards Yasuo's character to explore a more demonic route. I would be fine with this, if it hadn't already been done once with his Bloodmoon Yasuo skin. At the same time Riven is now receiving her second (third?) redemption/angelic/heroic skin. The skins nice and all, but I just don't feel any desire to own it. I liked Yasuo to begin with because he was a guy who made a mistake, owned up to it, but did not simply roll over and accept unjust punishment. That to me showed character, potential for growth into a much more heroic, light hearted kind of hero, instead of this kind of lawful neutral he is at the start of his journey. I guess it feels like to me they came up with the riven skin, then made an opposite just to have a dynamic for the marketing. TLDR I think it forgets about Yasuo himself to make something that will sell, without adding anything to him as any skin I can think of does. (I.e. Arcade skins show a more fun side to their personality, or the mecha skins show what would happen if Vikor wins, etc.)

Anyone else feel like this?

26 Comments

Last avatarname8 votes

A small thing about this post; if you make a poll, keep it simple. Don't add your own opinions as to why you think people would agree or disagree with you. There can be a lot of reasons why people disagree or agree with you.

http://i.imgur.com/Mgl3LEn.png[IMG]

I don't like this skin because I find it too flashy and and wish they would tone it down a bit, but I like the opposing nature to the default skin, there are alot of legendaries that do this that I like.

Gentleman cho gath to cho gath Blackfrost anivia to anivia Brolaf to olaf

ElijahDaniel2 votes

I get what you're saying, this is my first time on the boards, so forgive my inexperience. I phrased the answers like that because I mainly want to know if other people also want a sort of redeemed Yasuo, or if they like his slow decent into demonic violence, that these skins seem to imply. but I get what you mean about not adding phrases to the votes.

As far as those skins, I personally consider Gentleman Cho'Gath and Brolaf Joke skins, and Blackfrost Anivia, I always thought was what would happen if Lissandra corrupted the true ice Anivia was born from.

I mean my main issue with the skin isn't the dark twist, but that its his second one with the same concept, and its his legendary, which I'm pretty sure means its the only legendary he'll get. So to me this means the only hope I have of getting a redeemed Yasuo skin with new voice lines to reflect his growth as a person, like I've hoped for since his release, is the incredibly small chance they use that concept for an ultimate skin something like three years from now at best. So I just wanted to see if I'm alone in this disappointment.

This is not intended to combat your views just more adequately express my perspective to have a more meaningful discussion about it.

Last avatarname1 votes

I mean I don't actually like the skin and your post was actually well made, written and researched for the rest of the post. I did vote yes because I would like a more interesting Yasuo skin then this one.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

"no I like dark edgy Yasuo" wasn't aimed at making people not want to vote against you, you're saying?

  1. posts a positive thing
  2. posts a negative thing and makes people admit that they like something many would find childish
  3. offhandish response

I swear these polls that deliberately sway opinion are so goddamn annoying.

ElijahDaniel1 votes

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"no I like dark edgy Yasuo" wasn't aimed at making people not want to vote against you, you're saying?

  1. posts a positive thing
  2. posts a negative thing and makes people admit that they like something many would find childish
  3. offhandish response

I swear these polls that deliberately sway opinion are so goddamn annoying.

The negative conotation to "edgy" is something I did not put here. "Edgy" things have their place (Grant it this place is often in helping young men find where they stand when puberty introduces them to a new realm of perspective) there's nothing wrong with dumb fun, or even the occasional smart peice of dark edgy commentary, (the easiest example being "The Dark Knight").

As an addendum, intentional or no every poll, sentence, idea, or other such series of thoughts to proceed from a human being will be bias and cannot be otherwise coming from one perspective. Even when trying to be objective, there will always be factors we miss due to seeming unimportant, that others will find, a necessity, and other such examples. So pointing out that bias as if its somehow unusual or uniquely flawed, is rather pedantic.

You could after all, like everyone else here, seen my opinion, gave your opinion, perhaps discussed or elaborated on it. Then moved on. Instead you commented, passive aggressively at that (an odd choice to me given Normal aggression is without consequence on the internet) to insult me, and nothing more.

LostFr0st2 votes

I agree that there is a ton of overlap with this skin. It would have been nice to expand his collection a bit instead of doing something so similar.

Shahamut2 votes

It's his weapon and motif man. There is so much demonic lore/legend in Chinese/Janapnese culture. I thought for sure it was going to be "demon blade " Yasuo in reference to one of the legends about Muramasa, the sword Smith who made blood thirsty blades by forging a pact with demons.

Been a while since I've actually read any of that, but I'm pretty sure it's something like that.

Bultz2 votes

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So I appreciate the concept of order vs. chaos, Riven vs Yasuo and all, but when it comes to his new skin I have a few problems, and what it all boils down to is I feel like the new skin disregards Yasuo's character to explore a more demonic route. I would be fine with this, if it hadn't already been done once with his Bloodmoon Yasuo skin. At the same time Riven is now receiving her second (third?) redemption/angelic/heroic skin. The skins nice and all, but I just don't feel any desire to own it. I liked Yasuo to begin with because he was a guy who made a mistake, owned up to it, but did not simply roll over and accept unjust punishment. That to me showed character, potential for growth into a much more heroic, light hearted kind of hero, instead of this kind of lawful neutral he is at the start of his journey. I guess it feels like to me they came up with the riven skin, then made an opposite just to have a dynamic for the marketing. TLDR I think it forgets about Yasuo himself to make something that will sell, without adding anything to him as any skin I can think of does. (I.e. Arcade skins show a more fun side to their personality, or the mecha skins show what would happen if Vikor wins, etc.)

Anyone else feel like this?

It's a skin..... There would be no point in making skins if it didn't change his character. Like what even.....[zombie-brand-facepalm]

As far as similar, he has a cowboy skin, robotic skin, and a blood moon skin. Blood moon is not a demon......

ElijahDaniel1 votes

I agree with you, I was just hoping for a different change. And yeah blood moon isn't demonic it just still has that, ey killing is cool and fun vibe this one does. That's all I mean.

Bultz2 votes

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I agree with you, I was just hoping for a different change. And yeah blood moon isn't demonic it just still has that, ey killing is cool and fun vibe this one does. That's all I mean.

Well the problem is when people suggest Yasuo skins, they are downvoted whether it's a good idea or not. Because of that riot isn't drawn into the ideas. Like I had suggested a cosmic blade Yasuo skin long before Yi got his, but no one liked it and it got downvoted. Because of the down votes riot doesn't have incentive to give Yasuo other skins when the more edgy Yasuo skins sell like hot cakes,

ElijahDaniel1 votes

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Well the problem is when people suggest Yasuo skins, they are downvoted whether it's a good idea or not. Because of that riot isn't drawn into the ideas. Like I had suggested a cosmic blade Yasuo skin long before Yi got his, but no one liked it and it got downvoted. Because of the down votes riot doesn't have incentive to give Yasuo other skin, when the more edgy Yasuo skins sell like hot cakes,

Well that sucks. I get a lot of Yasuo fans are teenagers who love the idea of this wandering bamf who doesn't take anyone's crap and has all this edgy phiolosophy, but I always wanted to see him outgrow that. A shame that there's evidently so much conflict as to what he should be.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

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It's a skin..... There would be no point in making skins if it didn't change his character. Like what even.....[zombie-brand-facepalm]

As far as similar, he has a cowboy skin, robotic skin, and a blood moon skin. Blood moon is not a demon......

Technically, but its close enough. Blood moon is a cult in worship of a blood demon. So while yes, BM Yasuo isn't himself a demon, the theme is still there.

Head canon: NightBringer is what happens to Yasuo after he ascends high enough in the Bloodmoon cult and becomes a demon through some dark ritual.

58697132DEL12 votes

hmmmm, total speculation but to try and cover ritos ass maybe think of it like Skins are alternate fantasies right? Maybe in almost every alternate universe yasuo travels a darker road like blood moon or this demonic, because in the real runterra he is so far away from that? Like in reality he would be tempted to, but never succumb to those types of powers, so in many alternate forms he does. Conversely, maybe Riven would in the real runterra easily succumb to anything that gives her power, and thus most her skins need to "redeem" her.

Quite a stretch but yeah, to be fair most folks i think like bunny riv and project yas most of all anyways which are much more neutral, so that helps a bit. It would have been cool to see a super demonic riven and a holy yasuo tho, gotta finish my portal gun and find that timeline.

ElijahDaniel1 votes

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hmmmm, total speculation but to try and cover ritos ass maybe think of it like Skins are alternate fantasies right? Maybe in almost every alternate universe yasuo travels a darker road like blood moon or this demonic, because in the real runterra he is so far away from that? Like in reality he would be tempted to, but never succumb to those types of powers, so in many alternate forms he does. Conversely, maybe Riven would in the real runterra easily succumb to anything that gives her power, and thus most her skins need to "redeem" her.

Quite a stretch but yeah, to be fair most folks i think like bunny riv and project yas most of all anyways which are much more neutral, so that helps a bit. It would have been cool to see a super demonic riven and a holy yasuo tho, gotta finish my portal gun and find that timeline.

That's how I thought of his bloodmoon skin, Im just woried these negative interpretations of Yasuo's future are the only ones we'll get.

Wrathof3001 votes

Imo bloodmoon Yasuo is an actual demon, as in born a Demon (at least this is how the lore of the skin was explained to me) whereas Nightbringer seems like a version in an AU where Yasuo succumbs to dark powers in order to achieve his goal, obviously losing sight of why he got the powers in the first place.

Void Kaiju2 votes

Tbh i think it's quite true to yasuo as a character while also exploring an AU. If anything, it was bloodmoon that was a huge departure from yasuo's character, he was a zealous executioner, little more little less.

What you can get out of the interactions between angel riven and demon yasuo is a bit of a twisted version of their current lore, and while nothing is directly stated there is so much implied in his and her behavior that gets my mind racing. Yasuo and riven in the standard lore are both very similar sorts of characters. Blademasters who have experienced great betrayal/tragedy. The events in their lives were simply reversed like so: Riven did not stand by her convictions during the invasion of Ionia, and now that she has been betrayed she lets her honor guide her and seeks redemption rather than aiding in destruction. Yasuo is the opposite, he disobeyed orders in order to follow his own convictions and that led to him being betrayed. Now his convictions have been taken from him, and he is forced into a life that sullies his honor and surrounds him with tragedy.

Angel Riven and Demon Yasuo clearly know each other. Perhaps they were close friends, or even lovers as their interactions seem to suggest, but tragedy of some sort led them both to opposite paths, much like in the main lore. Riven has immersed herself in her honor, in rules, in order, parodying her usual self to the extreme, and conversely Yasuo has grown extremely bitter, his VO isn't just him glorifying chaos and death. He wants to tear the existing system down, he sees it as a restriction that demands perfection and seeks to control everyone. Yasuo sees himself as fighting for a sort of freedom for the world, and clearly has a vendetta against the light. Perhaps he sacrificed everything (it at least mentions his soul) in order to defeat the system that opposes his ideals. Yasuo hasn't simply become a creature born dark and brooding, his pride and conviction led him to a path that opposes the pride and conviction of Riven.

Riven fights for her ideals through order, and Yasuo, much like how his default lore forces him on an inglorious, bloody, dirty path, has ended up in a similar position in the cosmic battle. He is still holding by his convictions, but the stakes are higher and he has had to sacrifice much more.

At least that's what I've concluded after listening to the VO yasuo and his interactions with Riven. I think you should take a closer look at the skin. I understand if the aesthetics may not appeal to you, but you may find there's more to the skin when you listen to what he and Riven have to say.

Stars Shaper1 votes

What you're looking for is what is (probably) going on in his canon lore, not skins.

These 2 skins are about lawful/order and chaos/darkness opposition, none of them is "good" as one is the epitome of bigotry and control and the other of anarchy and suffering.

They chose Yasuo and Riven probably because they are facets of the same heroic figure, the same universe but on 2 different sides and is also a way to enforce their relationship.

I really like their dialogues because it's not just plain "I will kill you!" stuff, they also seem to share a bond (ship intensifies) and both struggle at facing each other even though they yearn to fight.

GreenLore3 votes

While that is true,there is the point that most legendarys keep the personality of their champions to some extend.

For example Dark star thresh is still a sadistic evil monster,star guardian jinx is still chaotic and trigger happy,mecha zero sion is still a boisterus abomination that values strenght above all,etc.

Of course there are some differences in their characters,but the general feeling of the character remains the same. With Nightbringer Yasuo it feels like you have a completely new character. There are barely any traces of the original yasuo left.(and I'd argue that this also goes for dawnbringer riven)

Stars Shaper1 votes

That's also because they are bringing it to a metaphysical level. Both Yasuo and Riven can be rather chill in their stories but once the thematic is the one expressed by these skins there are not inbetweens.

Also, I would suggest you to re-listen some of NB Yasuo VO because is more deep than your typical chaotic being. I found the reference to "Sound of Silence" really well put :D

Wrathof3001 votes

This could be due the the fact Nightbringer Yasuo and Dawnbringer Riven are probably in a timeline where they have already dealt with the consequences of their actions. Whereas in canon lore we still don't know what will happen when Yasuo finally meets Riven (imo its not going to end well, even if he proves he was not guilty, he still killed dozens that were sent after him).

Stars Shaper1 votes

Rioters hinted several times that Yasuo isn't going to attack Riven at sight, they instead said he would rather be trying to talk to her.

Plus, RiotRansom (the writer of the team who created Yasuo, Zac and Jinx) commissioned this: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Riven-Yasuo-Ramen-Daaaaaaaaaaaate-447891180

I'm really thinking that they are going steady on shipping these 2 renegades.

Wrathof3001 votes

I support this route in Yasuo and Riven's lore and I ship them as well, so I'm glad to hear this but also sad. As the second route involved Yasuo attacking Riven and having a deep philosophical explanation of his redemption and that he accepts that he is a murder and is ready to die for his crimes, but not for the crimes of someone else. (Ofc in my head canon Yasuo wasn't going to beat riven anyways, and they still end up together, there is no escape for the Yasuo x Riven ship!!!!)

Dolyna1 votes

I agree, he needs an edgy and cute Star Guardian skin.

Tesla Effect1 votes

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mKxkYqeF-VI/maxresdefault.jpg

I want a Samurai Yasuo skin, Rito pls. (Also have look like Aku).

http://t00.deviantart.net/G6MLNqHg6VAuX33C9ZxJqTB101A=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre06/414a/th/pre/i/2017/067/6/5/samurai_yasuo_by_sanmi-db1lwbk.png

Also Mafia Yasuo can be a very nice cheap 750 RP skin. http://i62.tinypic.com/atutfk.png http://i58.tinypic.com/2w72ssy.png

HolyWarsPunish1 votes

Oh look another yasuo crybaby player thinking riot giving him tons of high ending skins in a shorter span than train-bullet is not enuff for "muh concepts"

Be happy they launched a second legendary skin for the posterboy in a 1 year span while there are reworked champs out there who are lacking skins for years.

ElijahDaniel1 votes

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Oh look another yasuo crybaby player thinking riot giving him tons of high ending skins in a shorter span than train-bullet is not enuff for "muh concepts"

Be happy they launched a second legendary skin for the posterboy in a 1 year span while there are reworked champs out there who are lacking skins for years.

So outside of insinuating I'm stupid for giving my opinion of a product in a society driven by products, which are produced based off the opinions of previous products, do you have anything meaningful to contribute?

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