It's been a whole year, and i still don't understand why was Graves's cigar removed.

DaniTheHero··3 votes·1,019 views

Riot silver has said this regarding the issue 1 year ago:

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Hey all,

I can give a bit of context on why the cigar was removed. Essentially, there was a significant risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions based on the depiction of tobacco usage. This kind of thing is pretty strictly enforced in parts of the world, and in this case it became clear that we needed to remove the cigar in his splash. The relevant laws sometimes apply differently depending on content type, which is why something that might work in peripheral content like a cinematic may not work in content like splashes that are tied specifically to the core game.

I can also speak a bit as to why we wouldn't create multiple splashes in response to this kind of issue. One of our goals moving forward with splash art, compared to how things have been done in the past, is to create content for all regions. In the past we've created modified or entirely different splashes based on the needs or appeal of certain regions, but this is something we've been working to change moving forward. Where possible, we want to stay away from sharding the game unnecessarily for different regions. It may seem like a small thing in this case, but we believe that being consistent with this artistic approach best allows for a common community and common stories for players to experience and share with each other.

-Silver

Gun ownership is also highly restricted and outright illegal in some countries that play league of legends. Perhaps we should also remove Graves' gun and replace it with something less offensive.

I guess you better take out Gragas' beer too, while you're at it. I do believe that alcohol consumption is even more restricted than tobacco so let's take that out.

Also, all the murdering and killing in the game. That might kinda be age-restricted in some countries so we should axe that.

All the cleavage too. All that sex is pretty taboo in some countries. I'd say there is a "risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions".

Ahri literally seduces men, has intercourse with them, and then murders them. Call me crazy but that might be taboo somewhere. Better get on it!!

Additionally, I think it's a great idea to keep Graves with that same facial expression and "cigar chewing" grin. The art looks good and whole, and his facial expression makes 100% sense without the context of a cigar. Doesn't look lazy at all!

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DrCyanide3 votes

Gun ownership is also highly restricted and outright illegal in some countries that play league of legends. Perhaps we should also remove Graves' gun and replace it with something less offensive.

Do those countries view depictions of guns as marketing guns?

That's what you don't understand, this was a legal decision, based on the legal reactions by governments. Graves's identity isn't tied to having a cigar (considering he didn't even have one until the New Dawn cinematic), it's in Riot's best interest to just remove the cigar.

Personally, I think Graves looked like a complete idiot with a cigar. His old splash art didn't have one, he looked worse with one (even in A New Dawn), he's better off without it.

DaniTheHero1 votes

If it's a legal decision,then why only remove Graves Cigar? There's one in the splash of every Gentlemen skin for example.

And this has nothing to do with marketing, there isn't a freaking AD stapled on the Cigar. So him smoking is marketing Cigars, but him shooting people doesn't market guns and shootings? You can't use the same logic in some situations, but refuse to use it in others. Pick one.

DrCyanide2 votes

If it's a legal decision,then why only remove Graves Cigar? There's one in the splash of every Gentlemen skin for example.

Because none of the gentlemen skins is the default skin for that champion. You would have been forced to buy a skin to get rid of the cigar. Optional content is OK to have the cigar, which is why the Gentlemen skins weren't touched, why New Dawn is OK, and why lore can mention his cigar. If Riot decided to, they could make a Graves skin where he has a cigar and be legally OK from what I understand of the situation.

And this has nothing to do with marketing, there isn't a freaking AD stapled on the Cigar.

Come on, this is the tobacco industry we're talking about. They just want to get people hooked any way they can, from there the person will experiment with different brands. It doesn't need to be brand specific to do what tobacco companies want.

So him smoking is marketing Cigars, but him shooting people doesn't market guns and shootings? You can't use the same logic in some situations, but refuse to use it in others. Pick one.

Guns and shooting are core aspects of this game. You can't change those without changing several champions. If a country decides games with guns is going to get a more mature rating or be censored, there's nothing that can be done about that. It's simply not worth the effort to reshape so much of League to comply in that situation

There is no cigar focused champion, let alone many. If there had been several cigar focused champions, Riots decision likely would have been different.

zanderzz2 votes

same

love god2 votes

Where did you get that bit on Ahri? (lore side)

DaniTheHero1 votes

Ahri is League's version of a succubus. They were just very subtle about it in the short paragraph in the lore, to avoid conversations like we're having right now. Though anyone with a bit of sense would understand what Ahri actually is character wise.

BastionKross2 votes

This is also the reason why you'll never see a skeleton champion; it's taboo in one of the Asian countries.

DaniTheHero1 votes

All the Dinosour skins mate.

GreenLore3 votes

human skeletons are mainly a taboo,inhuman skeletons are usually seen as ok(though some games go so far to censor these as well)

Sarutobi2 votes

My only gripe with all this is how inconsistent it is. If Graves cant have a Cigar then i want it gone from everything. Yet they can still have Cigars for i believe all the Gentleman Skins, as well as Gargas Est. skin. it makes no sense. Now granted those are skins, but there needs to be some type of consistency when you have things like this. You cant have it to where its ok on some champions, but not to others.

GreenLore1 votes

Gentleman cho has a pipe,not a cigar. Gentleman gnar doesn't have anything like that

I think the reason why the pipe and the cigarette-like thing of gragas esq(I always forget how that thing between the cigarette and gragas is called) are allowed is because they aren't regular cigars/cigarettes,you can't buy these things in that many places and only few people use them nowadays.

DaniTheHero1 votes

So the frequently of usage is also a factor here? Common you can't seriously believe what you're saying.

GreenLore1 votes

It's about how people see these things,that also why butterfly-knives are forbidden in some countries,yet other kinds of knives aren't.

GreenLore1 votes

The arguement about Ahri(or all other purely lore related cases) is kinda moot considering that graves still seems to smoke cigars in the lore

After all one of GPs taunts is: "Can't light cigars on the bottom of the sea."

Not that we've got any confirmation about Ahri actually having sex with the men she seduces. She might have simply killed them after luring them into to a safe place.

DaniTheHero1 votes

Ahri is League's version of a succubus. They were just very subtle about it in the short paragraph in the lore, to avoid conversations like we're having right now. Though anyone with a bit of sense would understand what Ahri actually is character wise.

GreenLore2 votes

In the end its still left open. We know that she sees others as her playthings,its easily possible that she just promises sex to the men,but never delivers it.

DaniTheHero1 votes

I don't think that the actual act happening or not, takes away from the point of the character. She's a succubus none the less.

GreenLore1 votes

She's actually based on the Kumiho/Gumiho,who act pretty much the same way as ahri(seducing young men only to kill them and since it literally ates them and was depicted as pure evil,I'd doubt they had sex before,especially since they killed pretty much whatever they could) and can become human(though the kumiho does it through other means)

Digielf1 votes

graves never had a cigar in the game, only in the splash art

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