Can We Talk About How Disappointing Arcade Ahri Is?

Fond Vagabond··9 votes·12,568 views

So i just bought the new Arcade Ahri skin and looked at it in a custom and my one and only thought about it is "This skin is good, but it's not worth 1350 RP."

Here is my thought process as to why i think this way:

Arcade Ahri is one of three arcade skins that came out along with Ezreal and Corki. If you take a look at their respective skins, they have video game reference and their animations fit the champion.

Ezreal's video game references include: -looking like the protagonist from The World Ends with You -his recall is a Final Fantasy Battle -he shoots Navi from Legends of Zelda with his W -his ult looks like a move straight from Kingdom Hearts (which may or may not be an intentional reference).

Corki's video game references include: -his ship looks like it came from F-Zero -his recall is a game of Galaga -his package is a mystery box from Super Mario Bros.

Now we come to Arcade Ahri: -I've looked through her abilities and I cannot name one video game reference. This either means that the staff assigned to this skin either did not think of putting in any video game references (which is the point of theses arcade skins) or that the references are so obscure that close to no one will even notice. -Another problem I have with this skin is that her particles look less polished and more static than the other two skins. Her orb repeats the same animation while its traveling and when her passive is active. Her foxfires look like cheap fire with only 3-4 frames of animation. Her charm and ult are fine in my opinion but i do feel that her charm could be made into a very easy reference (hint hint: LoZ heart). -Also her recall animation is just awkward and out of character (Ahri is Ahri, not JInx).

Some changes that could be made to show some video game references in Arcade Ahri include but not limited to: -making her orb look like a hadouken when its traveling -her foxfires could spin around similar to the fireballs in Super Mario Bros. -her charm could look like a heart from Legend of Zelda -her recall could be a platformer scenario, this would show Ahri as someone who is quick on their feet

Now for the things I like about Arcade Ahri: I find the design to be very cute with the combination of short hair, short shorts, and the color scheme. The little effect where her foxfire are sucked in and out is a nice addition. Her Splash art was very well done, a nice dynamic pose that shows her to be an agile character and also references Super Mario Bros. with her stomping on a minion (this does not count for the in-game video game references). And lastly her face, I find the face for this skin to be the perfect fit for Ahri (especially considering how terrible the face for the figure was). It gives her a youthful yet sort of sly look to her. A face you'll love but can't 100% trust.

So all in all, I find Arcade Ahri to be a good skin, but considering it only has half of what the Ezreal and Corki skins have, I suggest it should either have its price reduced to 975, or have the team rework the particles and her recall animation.

36 Comments

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

I recommend checking out the skins on youtube or any other review before purchasing.

Fond Vagabond2 votes

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I recommend checking out the skins on youtube or any other review before purchasing.

I did, but Ahri is my favorite champion so I would've bought regardless. I'm just talking about the difference in work spent on the other skins compared to her's and for it to cost the same amount.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

"This skin is good, but it's not worth 1350 RP."

If you're absolutely going to buy it even though you don't like the price, wait for the early sale.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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If you're absolutely going to buy it even though you don't like the price, wait for the early sale.

Yeah, lets wait months for the early sale before I buy a skin for my favorite champion. Also that's a statement to the Riot staff in saying that they did poorly and need to work on it more. I'd rather the Riot art department to keep its high quality and not just say "Meh this is good enough."

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

Well, I don't think they did a bad job at all, that's your statement not mine.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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Well, I don't think they did a bad job at all, that's your statement not mine.

Its a good skin, but compared to the arcade skins for Ezreal and Corki which cost the same price, its lacking.

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Her skin isn't supposed to be a reference to any particular video game. Her story in this fantasy is a girl who loves video games and goes into the video game she's playing.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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Her skin isn't supposed to be a reference to any particular video game. Her story in this fantasy is a girl who loves video games and goes into the video game she's playing.

And where exactly does it state that? And also regardless of that, the arcade skins were meant to have video game references. Every other arcade skins have them.

MavenSong1 votes

Kindlejack mentioned a lorebit on a thread in C&C stating that Sona MF and Riven live inside of the game while Ahri Corki and Ez are players entering it. ill see if i can dig it up

also Ahri's jacket/scarf and ears are reminicent of Fox from star fox, but not entirely exact.

edit: here

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/wmkMgfAX-the-next-arcade-skin?comment=0001000000020000

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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Kindlejack mentioned a lorebit on a thread in C&C stating that Sona MF and Riven live inside of the game while Ahri Corki and Ez are players entering it. ill see if i can dig it up

also Ahri's jacket/scarf and ears are reminicent of Fox from star fox, but not entirely exact.

edit: here

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/wmkMgfAX-the-next-arcade-skin?comment=0001000000020000

That still doesn't explain why she doesn't have video game references in her in-game model but Ezreal and Corki have at least 3.

Moonboy651 votes

Arcade Ahri splash: Super Mario Bros. Arcade Ahri's clothes: White Mage Arcade Ahri's headphones: Fox McLoud (although it isn't exact)

GreenLore2 votes

Her clothes don't really resemble the white mage clothes at all aside from the fact that they are mainly white.

I mean this is what a white mage looks like http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy2/images/b/bb/Wei%C3%9Fmagier_weiblich_FFT.png/revision/latest?cb=20130505233915&path-prefix=de Ahri however doesn't have a hood,a robe or anything red spikes on her jacket...

The starfox similarities are also rather small,they could even be coincidences and the mario references are only in the splash,so that doesn't matter for the actual ingame model.

MinaZer03 votes

From a designer's perspective, with all that the skin comes with (music with dance, heart taunt, rotating colors on tail + sparkles etc) they did more on the skin than previous other 1350 skins, pool party fiora and freljord Taliyah to name a couple have a lot less work done to them, in the same realm of 1350 so I don't see a point in complaining, I think Riot are either stepping up the work they put into each newer skin or they just had a more creative person/people that did this skin, it is also Ahri, basically a succ..ubus item 3027 .. if you know what I mean, skins for sexually appealing characters overall bank them more money in the end. People that don't even play Ahri will buy it, so this could just be them pretending a few extra effects is worth the income they receive for it, not discounting the creativity that was put into the skin, thats just part of the business. Ahri

Fond Vagabond2 votes

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From a designer's perspective, with all that the skin comes with (music with dance, heart taunt, rotating colors on tail + sparkles etc) they did more on the skin than previous other 1350 skins, pool party fiora and freljord Taliyah to name a couple have a lot less work done to them, in the same realm of 1350 so I don't see a point in complaining, I think Riot are either stepping up the work they put into each newer skin or they just had a more creative person/people that did this skin, it is also Ahri, basically a succ..ubus item 3027 .. if you know what I mean, skins for sexually appealing characters overall bank them more money in the end. People that don't even play Ahri will buy it, so this could just be them pretending a few extra effects is worth the income they receive for it, not discounting the creativity that was put into the skin, thats just part of the business. Ahri

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Ahri is not a succubus, she's a kitsune/gumiho, the extreme opposite.

And no her skins are not to bring out sex appeal, they're to give a cosmetic option to the player for their champions. Also they didn't really do anything new with Ahri's skin that would require so much work. Hecarim has the same tail effect, all her particles probably took less time than her classic skins, and what I'm talking about, is them putting in work on making these skins worth the price they cost. Challenger Ahri has a lot more put into it and it costs the same. And the main goal for me is for them to keep their quality consistent.

MinaZer01 votes

pricing is completely subjective to the person or company, in this case, making it, they could have made the 1350 skins, 1820 and made the legendary and ultimate tier skins a different scaled up price, people would still buy, you saying something is worth something else because you don't agree doesnt really change anything, stores can price a pack underwear at like $10 (or less) but there are people (mostly women) selling their underwear on ebay and other sites for up to 5k, subjective supply and demand, at the end of the day you bought it, 'if you'd like to play with Riot, you'd better be sure you know the game' Ahri , because they sure played you while you were aware they were playing you, in your mind, oh and i never said she was a succubus.. "Should I make your pulse rise? Or... STOP!" Ahri I said she was 'basically' a succ..ubus', and yes her character concept is based around leading in men, and what a coincidence, that is exactly what she does in the in-game store as well.. "Come try your luck, if you think you're in my league." Ahri lol you are obviously the one that doesn't know what your talking about, and 8 other people agree and counting, but I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it but that fine, differing opinions are important in life. but still item 3027 item 3027 item 3027

Moonboy651 votes

Ahri does not look like a succubus bro, she's a fox, foxes don't have demon wings [zombie-brand-facepalm]

MinaZer02 votes

looks? does an undercover cop look like a cop? fuck no, it looks like a regular civilian, and then b00m you are busted with your pants down.. but anyway its what the end goal is, and the end goal is taking life essence to satiate oneself (ahri / succubus) Read some lore: 'used her profound gift of beauty to attract unsuspecting men. She could consume their life essences when they were under the spell of her seductive charms, (what happened during this is undetermined, however I'm pretty sure some dirteh dirteh beastiality happened here) Feeding on their desires brought her closer to her dream, but as she took more lives' (so she killed people by doing this to further her goal) succubus are known for swooping in and stealing your life essence via sex, and you would suffer deteriorating health or even DEATH, you know like Ahri did, TLDR; Ahri is a succubus, she is just a succubus version of a different culture (Korean Succubus) your ignorance on look alone will get you caught with a moon in your ass, moonboy.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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looks? does an undercover cop look like a cop? fuck no, it looks like a regular civilian, and then b00m you are busted with your pants down.. but anyway its what the end goal is, and the end goal is taking life essence to satiate oneself (ahri / succubus) Read some lore: 'used her profound gift of beauty to attract unsuspecting men. She could consume their life essences when they were under the spell of her seductive charms, (what happened during this is undetermined, however I'm pretty sure some dirteh dirteh beastiality happened here) Feeding on their desires brought her closer to her dream, but as she took more lives' (so she killed people by doing this to further her goal) succubus are known for swooping in and stealing your life essence via sex, and you would suffer deteriorating health or even DEATH, you know like Ahri did, TLDR; Ahri is a succubus, she is just a succubus version of a different culture (Korean Succubus) your ignorance on look alone will get you caught with a moon in your ass, moonboy.

If you read the lore they created for Ahri when they were creating her figurine, she just absorbs their essence similar to the Dementor from Harry Potter. Also based on the actual lores of fox spirits, their charm isn't just seducing men, they create a life-like illusion that'll attract anyone, men and women alike.

Béla1 votes

If she just sucked life essence out of humans why would the lore specify men? And why would the lore talk about her using her seductive charms. If she just sucks out life essence all she needs to do is get the person alone. By your criteria she should be doing this to women as well.

TYkoV3 votes

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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Ahri is not a succubus, she's a kitsune/gumiho, the extreme opposite.

No, no, no, a succubus is pretty much a western equivalent of a gumiho. Although they achieve their goals in vastly different ways (I guess you could say they are different in that sense) but the fact that they literally share the same goal means they are the exact opposite of an extreme opposite if you know what I mean.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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No, no, no, a succubus is pretty much a western equivalent of a gumiho. Although they achieve their goals in vastly different ways (I guess you could say they are different in that sense) but the fact that they literally share the same goal means they are the exact opposite of an extreme opposite if you know what I mean.

No where near the same. Also Ahri isn't clear cut as to whether she's based on Japanese mythology (kitsune), Korean (gumiho), or Chinese (huli-jing), but it it seems to be a combination of all of them. Also even if she were to just be a gumiho, they don't have sex to kill or steal the energy of their victims, they put their victims in a trance-like state, kill them, then they eat their livers. They do for a variety of reasons, depending on what lore you follow. It could be to become human, just because they're evil, or to prevent themselves from becoming a demon. A very VERY big contrast to a succubus that has sex with their victims to drain their life energy just as a means to survive.

Valaran Nara3 votes

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So, on Ahri being a "succubus"

Ahri is a Gumiho. A fox with nine-tails that tempt humans with sexual wiles and illusions in order to devour their souls

A succubus is a demon that enters into people's dreams, seduce them, and eats their souls.

Succubus can also be used as a term to describe anybody (usually women) who tries to use sexuality to get what they want. This is usually used as an insult with a negative connotation.j

She's not saying that Ahri is a LITERAL succubus, but that the term for her when it comes to what she does or how she acts fits. Insult wise at least.

TYkoV2 votes

OK, two counter arguments.

Ahri is clearly based on Korean lores.

First things first, kitsune, gumiho, and huli-jing are identical terms. Huli-jing (狐狸精) literally means "female fox," kitsune (狐) means just "fox," and gumiho (九尾狐) means "nine-tailed fox." These demonic foxes are shared mythology among the three countries, with overlapping lores and descriptions. Now, let's look at Ahri.

  • Appearance: Ahri has only 3 tails, but we can reasonable infer that this is an allusion to the nine-tailed fox. This most closely resembles the depiction in Korean lores. Although the description of nine tails first appeared on a Chinese literature, it is quite often ignored in Chinese and Japanese lores as you can clearly see in their vocabulary. In fact, they believed any foxes in general are clever and at times deceptive. But in Korean lores, having more than one tail is a defining factor of gumihos.

  • Passive/Q (the ball): This represents the "Fox Marble." It is a Cintamani of sort that gumihos carry in their mouths. They use this marble to consume humans' essence, hoping that one day they can become gods, or "rise to the sky." They capture the essence through just kissing mostly. Capturing essence takes the form of healing in game.

  • W: This represents the seductive trait of gumihos. In basically all three countries, gumihos are described as this demon that, whether it is eating liver or consuming essence, or just being evil, achieves its goal through seduction, deception, and lies.

  • E: This one is tricky. Yes, fox fire has its origin in Japan as kitsunebi. But it is not absent in Korean mythology either; will-o' the wisp exists in Korean mythology as "goblin fire," which is synonymous to "fox fire," or kitsunebi. The synonymous relationship is probably the result of Japanese occupation in the first half of 20th century because kitsunebi and goblin fire do not share the same origin lore-wise. Either way, the word fox fire and goblin fire mean the same thing in Korea, and the word fox fire was probably more fitting for Ahri. Moreover, the color blue fits goblin fire much better than kitsunebi (which is a shade of red).

  • Skin: Riot released Dynasty Ahri, who wears Korean traditional attire.

  • Language: A little bit of a weaker point but Ahri is a romanization of Korean pronunciation. If the name were in Japanese (or even Chinese), it would be spelled Ari. Plus, Ahri is a rather common name in Korea, less so in Japan and not at all in China.

Gumiho is the eastern equivalent of succubus.

As explained above, gumihos do consume humans' essence, albeit not for survival but to achieve its dreams. They may not have to have sex, or they may also eat raw livers; but the fact that they are seductive essence/energy eaters makes them similar enough to succubus. Not that big of a contrast at all.

Sorry about the wall of text but gumiho is bit of a tricky pony. It had to be explained in some reasonable detail to even make sense at all.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

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  • Appearance: Ahri has only 3 tails

wut

Béla1 votes

You obviously have not read Ahri's lore. She sucks the 'essence' out of men. And sure you could debate that its not sperm, but she doesn't do the same thing to women so I am going to assume it is. Ahri is a creature that was born from the action of sucking a dick. Can you really say that she is dissimilar to a succubus? Sure she may not be based on one, but her actions parallel a succubus'.

Dynikus2 votes

I don't really like her recall animation, but I think the skin overall is awesome.

Nut on my Butt2 votes

Ok, let's talk about the skin's worth outside of the work put into and the content.

The skin was priced at 1350 by the company. Many players have, and will buy it. You yourself bought it, knowing exactly what you were getting. The skin is worth 1350.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Yeah, it's disappointing, but doesn't mean your reasoning isn't bad either.

Fond Vagabond1 votes

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Yeah, it's disappointing, but doesn't mean your reasoning isn't bad either.

How is my reasoning bad? I'm saying it how it is, she has no video game references (the main point of arcade skins) when all the other skins do.

Luthareal1 votes

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draco77777771 votes

And winner of the "Unnecessary comment with an opinion yet bashes others for having an opinion" goes to... drumroll

Luthareal!

Congratulations [zombie-brand-clap]

Seriously though, if you don't like the thread, why are you still here? No need to whine, not like it changes anything lol. And all he's saying is he doesn't think Arcade Ahri should be 1350, and he gave some reasons for it, dunno why y'all gotta be so harsh.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

a disappointing skin indeed

the only good part it's multi-colored tails

the rest is bad

ugly clothes, ugly haircut, poorly made particles, overall wonky thematic etc

Andrea001 votes

I love how no one likes this person. Indeed, if you were gonna buy it regardless, you couldn't wait for a sale, and she's your favorite character....you really shouldn't complain. I wouldn't compare one skin to another, but look at each individually and appreciate them as they are. Now you're stuck with it so just enjoy it :)

lilprogamer22051 votes

But her recall is nice

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