The Most Powerful Champion (Lore wise)

The Cool Persian·Mar 22, 2015·9 votes·10,533 views

As we all know the new lore is being rewritten, so I thought about rewriting who is the most powerful champion? obviously we cannot truly fight them so we are all entitled to our opinions. Here are my top 3:

1: Cho'Gath: I'm going to put this quite simply Cho'Gath is the Godzilla of Valoran (Godzilla "King of the Monsters" in case you didn't know his title). 2: Jax: The guy beats people up without a real weapon. 3: Amumu or Vel'Koz: This one is tricky Amumu turns anyone who touches him or who he touches to dust, while Vel'Koz is huge and has a life form disintegration ray which can reduce anyone he sees to a purple voidlike smoke.

What are your thoughts on this? I would love to hear them.

Note: I wanted to add something funny, I didn't make this however; http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/215/5/8/cho__gath_vs_batman_by_1martiny1-d59ni9n.png

101 Comments

Tesla EffectMar 22, 201510 votes

Current powerhouses:

(A being so powerful, he is beyond time and space but never reaching the levels of God)
(Being of pure energy, nor being constrained be the limitations that a being that has a body would have, not really beyond time and space like Bard, not quite there yet)
Shuriman Ascendant and the Originator of the Shadow Isles and what we all know as the Harrowing.
(A human with magical powers and potential for levels reaching as much as Xeraths)
(Same as Syndra, though concentrated in a smaller vessel)

The Cool PersianMar 23, 20151 votes

But the Void nullifies magic powers, so that's why I am sticking with Chogath

IS1d51f7fd0f8e2764617b0Mar 23, 20155 votes

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But the Void nullifies magic powers, so that's why I am sticking with

It does not, it has never been stated that it does. Only Kassadin specific magics does.

Laughing FishMar 24, 20152 votes

And it is only a matter of time until Viktor begins mimicking that magic, and gains the ability to nullify magic.

GigahappytownMar 23, 20152 votes

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Current powerhouses:

(A being so powerful, he is beyond time and space but never reaching the levels of God)

(Being of pure energy, nor being constrained be the limitations that a being that has a body would have, not really beyond time and space like Bard, not quite there yet)

Shuriman Ascendant and the Originator of the Shadow Isles and what we all know as the Harrowing.

(A human with magical powers and potential for levels reaching as much as Xeraths)

(Same as Syndra, though concentrated in a smaller vessel)

buddy if xerath was free he would BE a god.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 23, 20151 votes

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buddy if xerath was free he would BE a god.

In the new lore, there is nothing holding the power of Xerath, he already reached the pure ascension. When he talks about freedom, he is literally talking about being free from the enslavement of the Shuriman empire.

Tesla EffectMar 23, 20152 votes

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In the new lore, there is nothing holding the power of Xerath, he already reached the pure ascension. When he talks about freedom, he is literally talking about being free from the enslavement of the Shuriman empire.

(Looks at Azirs lore videos) Looks free to me.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 23, 20152 votes

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(Looks at Azirs lore videos) Looks free to me.

Xerath does not think the same

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/RdkEIREJ-short-stories-xerathunbound

"And so, Xerath was elevated and educated, eventually becoming Azir's trusted right hand—but never a free man"

He will never be truly free until destroying the emperor and his empire.

Tesla EffectMar 24, 20152 votes

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Xerath does not think the same

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/RdkEIREJ-short-stories-xerathunbound

Again, Azirs lore video proves that he is free now to do da hell he wants.

SharjoMar 25, 20153 votes

He's still stuck in a magical sarcophagus though.

I think that's the point.

kokopelli2Mar 24, 20152 votes

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(Same as Syndra, though concentrated in a smaller vessel)

IS THAT A SHORT JOKE

Laughing FishMar 24, 20152 votes

Viktor can adapt his technology to harness the power of each and everyone of those champions. Look at Creator Viktor and his Battlecast army. Viktor has no limit to his potential.

AChanceOfReignNov 4, 20151 votes

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Current powerhouses:

(A being so powerful, he is beyond time and space but never reaching the levels of God)

(Being of pure energy, nor being constrained be the limitations that a being that has a body would have, not really beyond time and space like Bard, not quite there yet)

Shuriman Ascendant and the Originator of the Shadow Isles and what we all know as the Harrowing.

(A human with magical powers and potential for levels reaching as much as Xeraths)

(Same as Syndra, though concentrated in a smaller vessel)

But in the game Veigar just annihilates any AP champion XD

Ebonmaw DragonMar 22, 20156 votes

After the release of Bard, i think that Veigar is stronger than before.

Even if there are a lot of champions have more power than Veigar (Bard, Xerath, Azir, Renekton, Nasus, Lissandra and Syndra for example) Veigar can defeat them all with ease... Why? because he is a corrupter of the cosmic energy and master of the black magics.

He is not someone who was born with talent like Synda or obtained power with a magical ritual like Xerath... He STUDIED from different dark mages across the world, from Freljord, to Shurima, Demacia and Noxus, passing though all the city states and places.... until he found the strongest magic of all... No black Ice, no void magic or thorn magic, not even the magical rituals of shurima... He LEARNED that the strongest magic, was the magic of the cosmos (Used by Bard (and Soraka) which seems to be a godlike being)... and he managed to corrupt that magic and use it for himself. If he can do that with the cosmic energies, i can bet that he can do the same with any magic.... and in fact, the game tell us that: Primordial Burst is a magical spell that can turn the magic of his enemy against them.

The only problem with Veigar, is that he is insane... and does stupid things... so... he is not an actual threat... for now.

I agree with almost everything that Tesla Effect said... except for a little (heh... little) thing:

Veigar Veigar does not have the potential to reach the power level of Xerath... He has the potential to surpass the powers of Bard (and in fact... he is doing it.... slowly... but he is doing it)

NarasimhaMar 22, 20152 votes

I don't think his power will ever be on the limitless scale. Remember, Xerath had to give up his mortal body to obtain his powers, and Bard technically doesn't even have a body (What he has is something he makes to interact with the world). Unless Veigar goes down the same path as Xerath, he won't ever surpass him because it is impossible to hold limitless power in a fragile shell that is a mortal body.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 22, 20153 votes

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I don't think his power will ever be on the limitless scale. Remember, Xerath had to give up his mortal body to obtain his powers, and Bard technically doesn't even have a body (What he has is something he makes to interact with the world). Unless Veigar goes down the same path as Xerath, he won't ever surpass him because it is impossible to hold limitless power in a fragile shell that is a mortal body.

Do you think that Veigar would care about losing his physical body in order to achieve his goal?

Of course not... in fact, it would make sense if he does that someday. After all, he hates his small body.

Just imagine if he does something similar to Xerath (original lore (or/and the new lore)) and becomes one with the cosmic energy... He would be capable of doing the same things that Bard does... (and maybe even more due the corruption). He would become something similar to a Celestial Being... but corrupted (Remember that Xerath corrupted the ritual of Ascension in order to reach the "true form").

The purpose of Bard is to protect the universe from utter annihilation.

Veigar wants to "end all the conflicts of Valoran, by bringing all of the city-states to their knees, regardless of their affiliation".

Both goals are slightly similar, but Veigar is more "selfish"... Bard protects the universe without caring about the internal problems of the creatures that live there and Veigar only cares about protecting his world (ending all the conflicts), regardless of the affiliation of the persons that live there...

That difference between both, is understandable, Veigar is "selfish" due the things that he has lived, his mortal live... the corruption.

If you ask me, i think that Veigar is seeking to reach a power similar to bard.

NarasimhaMar 22, 20151 votes

Do you think that Veigar would care about losing his physical body in order to achieve his goal?

Of course not... in fact, it would make sense if he does that someday. After all, he hates his small body.

Err, allow me to rephrase. Its not so much 'want' right now as 'can't. For Xerath to pull off what he did, it took the power of a Sun Disc, a centuries old powerful relic that I BELIEVE was destroyed in the process. For Veigar to pull off the same thing, it would require another object of equal or greater problem. The issue is that in current Runeterra, I find it very hard to see Veigar managing to get his miniature hands on said objects without someone or another nation getting to it first.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 22, 20152 votes

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Err, allow me to rephrase. Its not so much 'want' right now as 'can't. For Xerath to pull off what he did, it took the power of a Sun Disc, a centuries old powerful relic that I BELIEVE was destroyed in the process. For Veigar to pull off the same thing, it would require another object of equal or greater problem. The issue is that in current Runeterra, I find it very hard to see Veigar managing to get his miniature hands on said objects without someone or another nation getting to it first.

HA! i knew that you would said that.... but, there is already a champion that wants to use the Celestial Beings in order to transform himself:

Warwick Warwick (which can be compared with Nasus and Renekton in a lesser scale... maybe with Cassiopeia )

So, its totally possible for Veigar to do a similar thing, but instead of using a Sun Disc like Xerath, he would require to catch a celestial being... a thing that he can do using his magics... the only problem is to found a creature like that.

... but even if its hard, it doesn't negate the fact that he can do such thing.

NarasimhaMar 22, 20152 votes

Predictability is a virtue? XD

Well, with Warwick , most of the power came from the potion he concoted. The Celestial Heart (I think it was heart?) was only the last ingredient he needed to make it perfect. Ascenion was more 'giving a person more powers'. while Warwick's creation was along the lines of 'Release a person's bestial nature'. I don't think they correlate that well.

To be entirely fair, I think Veigar DOES have the potential to receive amazing amounts of power. I just don't think that realistically (can I even say that about a fantasy setting), it won't ever be a reality.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 22, 20152 votes

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Predictability is a virtue? XD

Well, with , most of the power came from the potion he concoted. The Celestial Heart (I think it was heart?) was only the last ingredient he needed to make it perfect. Ascenion was more 'giving a person more powers'. while Warwick's creation was along the lines of 'Release a person's bestial nature'. I don't think they correlate that well.

To be entirely fair, I think Veigar DOES have the potential to receive amazing amounts of power. I just don't think that realistically (can I even say that about a fantasy setting), it won't ever be a reality.

The Ascension uses the powers of the Sun (a Star), which is a small part of the cosmos... so, i dont think that the ritual is that different from what Warwick wants to do.

You said the "Ascenion was more 'giving a person more powers'"... That is exactly want Warwick wants: "Warwick needed the strength that transcended his limited human form"

Instead of the heart of a celestial being, Veigar is able to use the whole soul of a celestial being like Bard (who is a spirit... and Spirit and Soul are synonyms)

However, as you said, i dont think that it won't ever be a reality.... but is a possibility.

JunkοMar 22, 20152 votes

Veigar hates being short, so he would probably ditch his body for power.

TerraRisingMar 22, 20154 votes

There was an old Forums list that ranked them, by popular vote, like this:

I would definitely include Bard on this list with Nautilus , Azir , Karthus Syndra , Velkoz , Nocturne , Lissandra , Aatrox and Kassadin .

Obviously not in that order, though.

GreenLoreMar 22, 20154 votes

Xerath is definetly above Nasus and Renekton

Nasus and Renekton tried to stop xerath(and were the ones who put him into his sarcophagus) and in order to seal xerath,renekton had to sacrifice himself. So yeah they went 2 v 1 against him and were only able to stop him through renektons sacrifice

Ebonmaw DragonMar 22, 20153 votes

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Xerath is definetly above Nasus and Renekton

Nasus and Renekton tried to stop xerath(and were the ones who put him into his sarcophagus) and in order to seal xerath,renekton had to sacrifice himself. So yeah they went 2 v 1 against him and were only able to stop him through renektons sacrifice

That list was made before the changes on the lore. Before the changes, It was assumed that Renekton and Nasus where Gods.... that is why they are first in the list.

GreenLoreMar 22, 20152 votes

ah ok,thanks for clarification

Laughing FishMar 24, 20152 votes

You missed Viktor . While others may conquered nations and even worlds, he conquered an entire dimension, including killing and converting the likes of Chogath and Velkoz . Given time, Viktor is limitless, as he can adapt his technology to harness the power of any champion.

Crowe StalkerMar 22, 20154 votes

are probably the strongest champions I can think of in that you can't KILL them and they wield massive power. On the Fields, sure, we can kill them, but off? Xerath is a being of Pure Magical Energy, he can only be Imprisoned. Nocturne (in Old Lore) the Institute of War-the Strongest Faction in the World-was afraid if they killed him, he'd just go back to his dimension and keep killing Summoners in their sleep. Not only are these two Unkillable, but they are beyond a Mortal Form. I also need to add because He is Unkillable and sure, he's constrained to a single form, but if his old lore says anything, he can destroy the world, he just chooses not to. I fear the day anything HE fears shows itself...
Syndra has Cataclysmic power, that monastery she lives in floats by the sheer power of her Subconscious. She doesn't even have to do anything to keep that fortress floating. Veigar has the power to corrupt an energy far beyond Runeterra and that definitely earns him points. He may be killable, but he can CERTAINLY do some damage. And Aatrox has managed to shape every society known to Runeterra and is called 'The Avatar of War' and I think that's for a damn good reason. Bard also fits here because he is incredibly powerful but it was stated in his Q&A he can be Captured and Enslaved, or even killed by something with greater power.
Anyone below these two tiers may be powerful, but they cannot cause Untold Death and Destruction. They have some sort of limit, whether that's their mortal forms or the magic they call upon, but they can bleed and they won't be destroying entire ecosystems any time in the immediate future though...

The Red WardenMar 24, 20153 votes

Olaf because he has canon plot armor.

Olaf has been destined to die from old age peacefully, and has won/tied (Sejuani) every fight he has ever got in. The only thing that could possibly kill him would have to be god-tier since they have to be able to change fate. Any other character would either have to subdue him in a way besides death or get away fast.

Olaf has literal plot-armor.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 24, 20154 votes

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because he has canon plot armor.

Olaf has been destined to die from old age peacefully, and has won/tied (Sejuani) every fight he has ever got in. The only thing that could possibly kill him would have to be god-tier since they have to be able to change fate. Any other character would either have to subdue him in a way besides death or get away fast.

Olaf has literal plot-armor.

Plottwist: Zilean kills him by increasing his age.

The Red WardenMar 24, 20152 votes

Why would beard bros ever fight?

KinjishiNov 13, 20151 votes

Those bombs burned Olaf's beard. You don't mess with the beard.

The Red WardenNov 15, 20151 votes

frking necro post.

TrylobyteMar 23, 20152 votes

I'd chime in here, but my pick for the spot hasn't had their lore retconned yet and it would be unfair to compare a large body of old lore to a few snips of new lore.

libraryseraph Mar 23, 20152 votes

Godzilla isn't the most powerful kaiju, though. King Ghidorah, SpaceGodzilla, and Destroyah are all close to or on his power level

The Cool PersianMar 23, 20151 votes

But who beat them in the end :)

libraryseraph Mar 24, 20152 votes

Well, Godzilla only beat SpaceGodzilla because the Japanese government was attacking it simeltaneously And although I didn't mention it, the Heisei era Mechagodzilla was only beaten after Rodan transformed its lifeforce to Godzilla to level up his nuclear breath Man, Godzilla movies are weird

Wind WhistlerNov 4, 20152 votes

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But who beat them in the end :)

Being the huge Godzilla fan that I am, I don't care how old your post is. Godzilla didn't beat Destroyah. The military utilized his weakness to extremely low temperatures and shot him down. Space Godzilla was double teamed against, and Godzilla's ally did almost as much damage as he did. King Ghidorah was only killed twice by Godzilla alone, out of the seven times he fought him, and keep in mind that they were different Godzillas and Ghidorahs each time they fought eachother.

Omnem OccidoMar 24, 20152 votes

Based on the impact he has made on the world, Aatrox. He has single-handedly shaped the course of history over several wars and generations. Based on supposed talents, Kog'Maw. He can apparently spit one glob of spit at something physical and completely dissolve it in a matter of seconds. Based on the nature of his existence, Bard. He is an eternal and multidimensional being that protects the most sacred of relics.

Laughing FishMar 24, 20152 votes

Laughing Fish's Top 5:

conquered an entire dimension once (Creator Viktor), and then proceeded to invade another. He even managed to kill and convert Cho'Gath, Vel'Koz, and more.
holds the key between life and death, and has the ability to convince even the strongest and most pure to willing give themselves up to him.
only remains in the league as it gives him an easy way to kill people. He summoned himself into our world, and theoretically has no limit to his size and power.
is the most likely being to open up the void. He has the potential to end life as we know it.
is a nightmarish creature with unmatched knowledge. He is smarter than you, stronger than you, and more powerful than you.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 24, 20151 votes

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Laughing Fish's Top 5:

conquered an entire dimension once (Creator Viktor), and then proceeded to invade another. He even managed to kill and convert Cho'Gath, Vel'Koz, and more.

Well, Skins are not Canon, even if they have a "lore" behind

If we were talking about skins, Final Boss Veigar would be the most powerful... He IS the final boss of the Game and that is not even his final form.

Other skins with more power than Creator Viktor are: Infernal Nasus, Super Galaxy Rumble (Gurren Lagann), Galactic Azir Etc.

Ask the HeraldSep 24, 20152 votes

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Well, Skins are not Canon, even if they have a "lore" behind

If we were talking about skins, Final Boss Veigar would be the most powerful... He IS the final boss of the Game and that is not even his final form.

Other skins with more power than Creator Viktor are: Infernal Nasus, Super Galaxy Rumble (Gurren Lagann), Galactic Azir Etc.

....Final Boss isn't even the hardest boss in most games, though, just the last one you can chronologically face. Look at Final Fantasy, where every single game has an optional boss that is ten times more troublesome than the Final Boss.

Ironclad DragonMar 25, 20152 votes

Xerath How many times must these threads come up?

SinceILeftYouSep 24, 20152 votes

On the Chinese servers they believe that MonkeyKing is actually THE Sun Wukong. Who Goku from DBZ is based on.

In which case he would be by far the strongest champ in the game, and could solo Xerath and Syndra and Fiddle combined.

In the Chinese fan-made series LaLaLa Demecia, they have Wukong 1 vs 8 Leona, Riven, Darius, Jarvan, Master Yi, Katarina, Caityn and Garen and he completely wrecks all of them. XD

Not saying hes actually this powerful in lore, but if he was as powerful as the Chinese beleive, no other champ even comes close.

VoidacMar 23, 20151 votes

has all the time in the world. She immortal, she's Iceborn, and she's rewritten history to her liking. My vote is for Lissandra.

Next up would be and Xerath . Both incredibly destructive.

Bard doesn't really do open conflict. He intervenes, he doesn't jump right into a battlefield. If we're going off of sheer power, gotta go with one of the previously mentioned.

Ebonmaw DragonMar 23, 20154 votes

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has all the time in the world. She immortal, she's Iceborn, and she's rewritten history to her liking. My vote is for Lissandra.

Next up would be and . Both incredibly destructive.

Bard doesn't really do open conflict. He intervenes, he doesn't jump right into a battlefield. If we're going off of sheer power, gotta go with one of the previously mentioned.

Brand? HA! he was killed by the demacian army, read his lore:

Overcome by Demacian forces, he was given a choice:~~ fight within the confines of the League or~~ die. ~~Naturally, he chose to use his destructive powers in the League, for now...~~

VoidacMar 23, 20153 votes

If you read his Judgment, it was a summoner that helped capture him. A summoner, as in the ultra-powerful, world-shattering mages turned Fields of Justice summoners. He did get captured like a p***y, though.

Tesla EffectMar 23, 20154 votes

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If you read his Judgment, it was a summoner that helped capture him. A summoner, as in the ultra-powerful, world-shattering mages turned Fields of Justice summoners. He did get captured like a p***y, though.

Those kinds of summoners are retconed. :P

GenoXxMar 23, 20151 votes

Kalista Thresh I'm just going to say that, the Magicks of the Shadow Isles is stronger than a little fool who can manipulate the cosmos. Thresh gets stronger every soul he take, same with kalista. If there is more like them on the Isles, they can exceed whoever on the list because they are already dead. And you see how strong the Harrowing had it's impact on Bilge water over the years. It just keeps getting stronger.

So my Answer is Death

Ebonmaw DragonMar 23, 20156 votes

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I'm just going to say that, the Magicks of the Shadow Isles is stronger than a little fool who can manipulate the cosmos. Thresh gets stronger every soul he take, same with kalista. If there is more like them on the Isles, they can exceed whoever on the list because they are already dead. And you see how strong the Harrowing had it's impact on Bilge water over the years. It just keeps getting stronger.

So my Answer is Death

FOOL!

Veigar Veigar also takes souls to be stronger... and he did it before was cool.

"I will swallow your soul." "Your soul will come to serve me."

Your answer is death? Well... Even death trembles in the presence of Veigar!!

GenoXxMar 23, 20153 votes

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