Who is the strongest champion lore wise?

THE SNEED MAN·Aug 23, 2015·10 votes·4,113 views

Who is the absolute strongest champion? (Lore wise) - League of Legends Community

i wanted to bring this back as nobody truly concluded who is the strongest champion lore wise from the discussion lux chogath wukong annie ryze xerath jax nasus and a few others were all ranked very highly although i think aatrox is the strongest personally as in his lore he is one of a very small amount of a very powerful race and he was famed as being able to WIN ANY BATTLE with a price to be had which makes me think that he could win any battle he encounters not to mention he had ressurection so i want to see everybody elses opinions on this

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Blade of JusticAug 23, 201512 votes

It's Jax.

His lore says that he was so OP that the Institute of War had to put restrictions on him...

Then he put restrictions on himself...

In the form of using a lamp post as a weapon instead of an actual weapon.

Then since the restrictions didn't do anything in curbing his power, they lifted their restrictions from him.

To which Jax decided to keep using the lamp post.

TrídentAug 23, 20159 votes

Veigar opens black holes and corrupts cosmic energy

ElJanitorFrankAug 23, 20158 votes

I've never understood why people constantly say he can summon black holes. His abilities are named after space terms, yes, one of them has to do with a black hole (maybe more, but whatever I don't remember all the names) but nothing he does is remotely similar to black holes at all.

TrídentAug 23, 20155 votes

Players don't know much about champions, so we use abilities to help understand a champion's lore.

Besides, it's about lore not gameplay, his E does barely anything close to a black hole gamewise, but it could hint that he can summon black holes in "reality" in Runeterra

NarasimhaAug 23, 201510 votes

Or... it could indicate that he's just trying to be flashy. I mean, if he was actually dropping Dark Matter, Runeterra would be nonexistant. Chances are far more likely that he just shoots around dark power, and calls it by big names to scare people. Which would be very Veigar like too.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 23, 20152 votes

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I've never understood why people constantly say he can summon black holes. His abilities are named after space terms, yes, one of them has to do with a black hole (maybe more, but whatever I don't remember all the names) but nothing he does is remotely similar to black holes at all.

His lore literally says that he is a corrupter of the cosmic energies (and lets not forget that Bard is made of those energies) and master of the Dark Arts: _"As a master of the magical black arts, as well as a corrupter of cosmic energy." _

And aside from in game abilities, in the JoJ (that may or not may be canon anymore) he stole things using Black Holes ( well actually, were wormholes, but the JoJ says black holes)

PokladnicaZlaAug 23, 20152 votes

It had been discussed on another site,who could be omnipotent. It's against Syndra & Xerath mostly,some mentioned Bard ,but it was during his release confirmed he isn't omnipotent.

AuroramancerAug 23, 20151 votes

How does he create a black hole???

CatastropAug 24, 20151 votes

What do you think an Event Horizon is?

AuroramancerAug 24, 20151 votes

Bruh, Event Horizon's are not unique to black holes, just as Coronas are not unique to solar eclipses.

SociopathFriendAug 23, 20157 votes

Uh let's see: probably between Veigar and Syndra . Depending on how you interpret abilities- Veigar would come out on top- but Syndra literally is just holding a temple up in the sky for the fun of it.

CatastropAug 23, 20156 votes

Bard Veigar Xerath Syndra One of these. A Celestial being who literally travels the cosmos through time and space, a Yordle who is a master of all the arcane, an Ascended and a Sorceress whose full potential hasn't even been tapped into yet.

Chromatic EagleAug 23, 20151 votes

Just because he can travel, doesn't mean he's powerful, though he does have that ult. Not sure he can time travel. Riot said he wasn't around to prevent the fall of Shurima.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 23, 20152 votes

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Just because he can travel, doesn't mean he's powerful, though he does have that ult. Not sure he can time travel. Riot said he wasn't around to prevent the fall of Shurima.

Actually, Riot said that he was there when Shurima fell, but he didn't intervened.

But yes, Riot also said that he cant travel trough time.

CatastropAug 24, 20151 votes

Because as far as we know, the Shurima Event wasn't that big of a deal for Bard to actually intervene.

LimitaneiAug 23, 20153 votes

I'd say Malzahar

-Has the gift of foresight, due to formerly being a Seer. -Friends with KogMaw , who literally devours everything in his path without ever being satisfied. -Leads the Cult of the Void, who are hell-bent on bringing the Void to Valoran (due to visions of a dark apocalyptic Valoran conquered by Void creatures.)

Vistha KaiAug 23, 20151 votes

Malzahar by himself can merely summon a little voidling.

LimitaneiAug 23, 20153 votes

If I had 10 RP for every time "the little voidling" saved me from being killed in-game, I'd have enough to buy DJ Sona, and be able to buy Skin Boosts in ARAM 10+ times in a row.

Vistha KaiAug 23, 20152 votes

If I had 10 RP for every argument in a lore discussion that's based entirely on the in-game kit, I'd have every champion skin ever made.

Lore is what a champion can do, but does not necessary do in the game.

In case of Malzahar he can go from door-to-door playing a jehovah witness looking for people who actually hold the power to start the Void invasion.

ElJanitorFrankAug 23, 201510 votes

"Hi I'm Malzahar, have you heard of our lord and savior, The Void?

No, don't close the door yet, I'm not finished...

I said keep the door open I'm trying to explain why your pitiful existence is meaningless and why you should help me in furthering in the destruction of this planet"

Door closes

They say there were no survivors.

NilokAug 23, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=gtjVtjfB,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-23T01:29:15.224+0000) If I had 10 RP for every argument in a lore discussion that's based entirely on the in-game kit, I'd have every champion skin ever made.

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Malzahar by himself can merely summon a little voidling.

Can I say how funny it is you tried to counter his argument by dismissing your own argument?

In the lore, Malzahar is described as being a harbinger, with creatures of the void of all kind following in his wake, such as Kog'Maw. His Voidlings are simply parlor tricks but don't disappear as they grow stronger, his Call of the Void are actual portals, instead of damage emitters, to pass through, and his Null Zone is less a decal with %hp damage and more a bottomless pit into the Void itself with no return.

Malzahar is also described as using "dark matter" when he was introduced and none of his lore has been changed.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 23, 20151 votes

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Can I say how funny it is you tried to counter his argument by dismissing your own argument?

In the lore, Malzahar is described as being a harbinger, with creatures of the void of all kind following in his wake, such as Kog'Maw. His Voidlings are simply parlor tricks but don't disappear as they grow stronger, his Call of the Void are actual portals, instead of damage emitters, to pass through, and his Null Zone is less a decal with %hp damage and more a bottomless pit into the Void itself with no return.

Malzahar is also described as using "dark matter" when he was introduced and none of his lore has been changed.

To be fair, lorewise, Malzahar can open portals to the void... but he doesn't know what will appear from the portal and he cant control the creatures that appear from the portal.

He was lucky when he summoned Kogmaw and the Voidlings... but imagine if he opens a portal and a creature like RekSai or Khazix appears, I'm pretty sure that those creatures would eat him instead of helping him.

NilokAug 23, 20151 votes

Kha'Zix is actually on good terms with Malzahar, so he wouldn't be worried. The only one he may be worried about is Rek'Sai since she doesn't seem to have any intelligence, though due to being touched by the Void (Old) Gods, Malzahar would probably be fine even if she was summoned in his presence.

Basically since Malzahar is the beacon for the Void, he has been the reason all of the Voidborn have been summoned.

"Even now, something dark stirs in Icathia, perverting the summoning rituals of the League to allow the presence of Cho'Gath."

This was most likely Malzahar's first work.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 23, 20151 votes

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Kha'Zix is actually on good terms with Malzahar, so he wouldn't be worried. The only one he may be worried about is Rek'Sai since she doesn't seem to have any intelligence, though due to being touched by the Void (Old) Gods, Malzahar would probably be fine even if she was summoned by him.

Basically since Malzahar his the beacon for the Void, he has been the reason all of the Void creatures have been summoned.

This was most likely Malzahar's first work.

You are assuming those things, Chogath was summoned by summoners of the League (old lore, has not been changed yet) and not Malzahar.

The creatures of the void can enter to Runeterra without help of him, just look at Velkoz lore and Khazix , they weren't helped by Malzahar at all. In fact, when Velkoz appeared in Runeterra, he was alongside other creatures of the Void, and he killed them because they were interfering with his "plans".

Other aggressive creatures of the Void, like Velkoz or Reksai, would kill and eat a random lesser creature that opened a "door" for them.

The fact is, that he cant expect that all the void creatures will be friendly with him because he is "allied" of them... As someone said "That's like expecting the lion not to eat you because you didn't eat him"

NilokAug 23, 20151 votes

Cho'Gath was summoned by summoners in error, something from Icathia stirred causing the summoning to be perverted (they didn't want to summoner Cho'Gath). There have only been two individuals to stir Icathia, Kassadin and Malzahar, my money is it was Malzahar, at the time of his rebirth.

The creatures of the void can enter to Runeterra without help of him

Kog'Maw's lore disagrees with you

When the prophet Malzahar was reborn in Icathia, he was led there by an ominous voice which thereafter anchored itself to his psyche. From within, this voice bestowed upon him terrible purpose, and though Malzahar was no longer tormented by its call, the voice did not cease its unrelenting summons. This baleful beacon's gentle flicker - now fastened to Runeterra - drew forth a putrid beast that ambled across a threshold it did not understand, widening a fissure between spaces which were never meant to meet.

When Malzahar was touched and reborn, he became the beacon and focus of all Voidborn entering into Valoran. This is why Kassadin has been trying to kill him, and why Malzahar wants to recruit him. If Kassadin can break the beacon, the Voidborn need a new anchor, while if Malzahar can have Kassadin join him, their beacon would be that much stronger.

Other aggressive creatures of the Void, like Velkoz or Reksai, would kill and eat a random lesser creature that opened a "door" for them.

The fact is, that he cant expect that all the void creatures will be friendly with him because he is "allied" of them... As someone said "That's like expecting the lion not to eat you because you didn't eat him"

It less, not expecting a lion to eat you, instead, it would be like expecting the Spawn of Cthulhu not to attack you because Cthulhu himself has chosen you to do his will. These aren't some animals (mostly) from another planet, these are eldritch abominations, and their god has a plan involving Malzahar, and you can bet your right hand that they do not want to piss it off and attack Malzahar. Would you want to knowingly bite the hand of the god that opened the door for you through a prophet?

I would argue that even the more animalistic Voidborn would not attack Malzahar to avoid the wrath of their god, even in another plane, or they can feel it through Malzahar.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 23, 20151 votes

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Cho'Gath was summoned by summoners in error, something from Icathia stirred causing the summoning to be perverted (they didn't want to summoner Cho'Gath). There have only been two individuals to stir Icathia, Kassadin and Malzahar, my money is it was Malzahar, at the time of his rebirth.

Kog'Maw's lore disagrees with you

When Malzahar was touched and reborn, he became the beacon and focus of all Voidborn entering into Valoran. This is why Kassadin has been trying to kill him, and why Malzahar wants to recruit him. If Kassadin can break the beacon, the Voidborn need a new anchor, while if Malzahar can have Kassadin join him, their beacon would be that much stronger.

It less, not expecting a lion to eat you, instead, it would be like expecting the Spawn of Cthulhu not to attack you because Cthulhu himself has chosen you to do his will. These aren't some animals (mostly) from another planet, these are eldritch abominations, and their god has a plan involving Malzahar, and you can bet your right hand that they do not want to piss it off and attack Malzahar. Would you want to knowingly bite the hand of the god that opened the door for you through a prophet?

I would argue that even the more animalistic Voidborn would not attack Malzahar to avoid the wrath of their god, even in another plane, or they can feel it through Malzahar.

Riot has mentioned many times that the void creatures have their own personal agendas, and the most of them do not care about Malzahar plans.

Even if Icathia believed that the creatures of the Void were gods and Malzahar blindly believes in what the "Voice" says and threats that voice as a god, it doesn't means that the voidborns have gods.

As i said before, Velkoz, Reksai and Khazix entered in Runeterra without any help of Malzahar... there are other ways, like the item 3512

The "Void Invasion" could be easily a lie that "the voice" showed to malzahar in order to turn him insane and control him... the Fact is that Malzahar cant control the creatures of the void, and they can attack him.

NilokAug 24, 20151 votes

Not caring and actively attacking are two wholly and different things. They may not care that he is trying to bring forth more of the Void, but they sure as hell aren't interfering.

Perhaps not a god, but something powerful enough to reach through the veil and empower Malzahar, something far more powerful than any of the Voidborn we have ever seen so far. Something they would not wish to anger.

You have said that they have entered without Malzahar's help, but doing so you continue to ignore the lore which says Malzahar is the beacon, the anchor, without which the Voidborn would not be able to enter without a summoning like Cho'Gath. We also don't know what the Zz'Rot Portal is. It may may be something of Malzahar's creation to summon more Voidborn (the Zz'Rot?) or if Zz'Rot is the name of the supremely powerful Voidborn that touched Malzahar.

It could be a lie, though there is no evidence to say that, and even Kassadin thinks there is an invasion, which he believes is his purpose to stop.

They can attack him? I could accept they some, like Rek'Sai, may attack him in a blind fury, but I can't find anything in the lore that they ever have so much as raised a claw against him. He can't control them, but they have never attacked him. After 5 years, you would think he would be harmed by at least one of them if they are as aggressive to him as you say they are and how much he is around them.

If you see a shrouded, floating man with a generally poor disposition, exercise caution… particularly if you see any dark, sinister portals or hideous creatures of the void milling about. This may be none other than Malzahar, Prophet of the Void

TyroneWatermelonAug 24, 20151 votes

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Not caring and actively attacking are two wholly and different things. They may not care that he is trying to bring forth more of the Void, but they sure as hell aren't interfering.

Perhaps not a god, but something powerful enough to reach through the veil and empower Malzahar, something far more powerful than any of the Voidborn we have ever seen so far. Something they would not wish to anger.

You have said that they have entered without Malzahar's help, but doing so you continue to ignore the lore which says Malzahar is the beacon, the anchor, without which the Voidborn would not be able to enter without a summoning like Cho'Gath. We also don't know what the Zz'Rot Portal is. It may may be something of Malzahar's creation to summon more Voidborn (the Zz'Rot?) or if Zz'Rot is the name of the supremely powerful Voidborn that touched Malzahar.

It could be a lie, though there is no evidence to say that, and even Kassadin thinks there is an invasion, which he believes is his purpose to stop.

They can attack him? I could accept they some, like Rek'Sai, may attack him in a blind fury, but I can't find anything in the lore that they ever have so much as raised a claw against him. He can't control them, but they have never attacked him. After 5 years, you would think he would be harmed by at least one of them if they are as aggressive to him as you say they are and how much he is around them.

The Void already had a portal in Icathia before malzahar came,The void just picked a human and brainwashed it to lead the void against the humans. Rek'sai probably was in shurmia before Malzahar existed

NilokAug 24, 20151 votes

There is no evidence of a portal in Icathia, just that the inhabitants learned ancient arts relating to the Void and that Kassadin was almost consumed by the power of the location.

secrets that made him quake with fear at the visions of things to come that were thrust upon him. The power of the place threatened to consume him forever, but Kassadin took the only route available to him in order to survive - he let the Void inside him.

Icathia seems to be described as a resonating area with the Void, similar to many Lovecraft stories where a location is attuned to the old gods and their realms.

Perhaps Malzahar is brainwashed, though I don't think so. Malzahar seems to have seen absolute despair and embraced it, almost similar in a way how Kassadin embraced the Void in order to survive it.

Rek'Sai has possibility be in Shurima before Malzahar, though we don't know how long Malzahar has been the Prophet of the Void. We know he has a massive cult dedicated to bringing forth the Void, which isn't something that happens overnight. It could go one way or the other. Being the most primal, and have been in the area for over a decade, Rek'Sai may be the first of the Voidborn to enter the world.

TyroneWatermelonAug 24, 20151 votes

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There is no evidence of a portal in Icathia, just that the inhabitants learned ancient arts relating to the Void and that Kassadin was almost consumed by the power of the location.

Icathia seems to be described as a resonating area with the Void, similar to many Lovecraft stories where a location is attuned to the old gods and their realms.

Perhaps Malzahar is brainwashed, though I don't think so. Malzahar seems to have seen absolute despair and embraced it, almost similar in a way how Kassadin embraced the Void in order to survive it.

Rek'Sai has possibility be in Shurima before Malzahar, though we don't know how long Malzahar has been the Prophet of the Void. We know he has a massive cult dedicated to bringing forth the Void, which isn't something that happens overnight. It could go one way or the other. Being the most primal, and have been in the area for over a decade, Rek'Sai may be the first of the Voidborn to enter the world.

I forgot which lore I found it on but I'll keep searching. Malzahar statated that he saw visions of the future which void creatures consuming and devouring this world,so he magically helps them transfer into runeterra because he is totally not brainwashed yeah? Btw riot stated that there is may be another portal in the Frejlord

NilokAug 25, 20151 votes

The best part of the Lovecraft mythos is what the characters are told by the old ones are not lies. Just like Malzahar, they are told the most horrible thing, the truth, and it breaks them.

If that was true, then the watchers may have been Voidborn, source?

TurquoiseYoshiAug 23, 20153 votes

Braum Can punch through A FREAKING MOUNTAIN!

agbudarAug 23, 20153 votes

Braum of course

he blocks a nuclear bomb as long as you don't sneeze at his shield

MelledoneusAug 23, 20152 votes

Vladimir just might be one of the most powerful. You can be a god, but get one cut on your skin and he will suck you dry.

Zilean might have screwed himself over with chronodisplasia, but he has dominion throughout the fabric of time. Also, he cannot be killed, since he is anchored to the stream of time, not a specific place in time.

Zed is a ninja. If that didn't convince you, he learned secrets that turned him into a being of shadows, being virtually unkillable unless his weakness is found. Too bad the box his soul is anchored to mysteriously disappeared after the Kinkou fled...

TyroneWatermelonAug 23, 20151 votes

Dude you suck. Akali Shen And kennel are ninjas as well.

MelledoneusAug 23, 20151 votes

Akali is a girl wielding weapons she cannot properly wield. Her talent is wasted.

Kennen is a disgrace. No yordle can join the world of men and become a ninja!

Shen is a d*ck.

Balance is a lie, we are the true ninjas! Zed

TyroneWatermelonAug 23, 20151 votes

Child,a shadow must run from the light,evantually.

MelledoneusAug 23, 20151 votes

Every light casts a shadow. Only the ignorant fail to follow the darkness that can never be pierced.

TyroneWatermelonAug 23, 20151 votes

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Every light casts a shadow. Only the ignorant fail to follow the darkness that can never be pierced.

A shadow may be untargatble and magically throw a shuriken,but Bard can whoopydoop your butthole if it want to,but he doesn't see you as a threat to runeterra yet

MelledoneusAug 23, 20151 votes

He's not a god, so it makes no difference. If Bard wishes to challenge the Order of Shadow, let him come. We will slaughter him. If we cannot kill him, we will corrupt him with the power of The Box. Either way, his move.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 24, 20152 votes

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He's not a god, so it makes no difference. If wishes to challenge the Order of Shadow, let him come. We will slaughter him. If we cannot kill him, we will corrupt him with the power of The Box. Either way, his move.

His job is basically taking magical items away from the humans... he could easily take the box and fly away with ease. The only one that could "corrupt" him, is Veigar.

MelledoneusAug 24, 20151 votes

He'd have to kill Zed to acquire The Box. Zed could easily open the Box and let its secrets corrupt the mind of Bard. Bard is a spirit, so it's especially strong against him. If you want to know why, read up on the doctrines speaking on spirits.

Veigar is a dark magician. I thought you were going to say either Varus, Aatrox, or Morgana. Veigar just uses dark magic, but doesn't corrupt the spirits of people. He sort of justs... throws spells that obliterate your form and burn your soul.

Ebonmaw DragonAug 24, 20151 votes

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He'd have to kill Zed to acquire The Box. Zed could easily open the Box and let its secrets corrupt the mind of Bard. Bard is a spirit, so it's especially strong against him. If you want to know why, read up on the doctrines speaking on spirits.

Veigar is a dark magician. I thought you were going to say either Varus, Aatrox, or Morgana. Veigar just uses dark magic, but doesn't corrupt the spirits of people. He sort of justs... throws spells that obliterate your form and burn your soul.

Bard do not need to kill Zed in order to take the box, he can just take it, that is his job, he has taken artifacts that are millions of times more dangerous than that box.

Veigar is not a simple Dark Magician, he is a corrupter of cosmic energies... and guess what? Bard is a being made of cosmic energies.

Zair UmbrasAug 27, 20152 votes

Rammus . No one knows his true power. No one. OK.

jeremiahBIOAug 24, 20151 votes

Annie Annie may be one of the most powerful champions ever to have fought in a Field of Justice. I shudder to think of her capabilities when she becomes an adult.''