If the Shuriman Ascended are avatars, and the Targonian Ascended are aspects, and both are granted power by celestials, are they granted power by the same group of celestials? And if not, which are more powerful? I am also curious if the 2 have fought side-by-side(specifically Aatrox and Pantheon)
RiotWAAARGHbobo6 votesAspects and Ascended draw from the same well.
Blood Magicks1 votesWait this is big news. Can we have clarification?
RiotWAAARGHbobo4 votesNope. To quote Bugs B, “Ain’t I a stinker”
Chromatic Eagle1 votesHasn’t that been applied for a while now? Always thought the sun disk was empowered the the sun aspect.
Camille Ferrøs1 votesAspects and Ascended draw from the same well.
Wait All aspects draw from the sun's power ¡¿
darkdill2 votesI can just picture the following:
- "Radiant Dawn, be mine."
- (blushes) "EEHHHHHH!?"
Søvereign1 votesThanks for replying. Is it safe to say that the Shuriman ascension process is about to get a big fraggin' retcon in terms of how or why it works?
HalcyonDweller1 votesWould it be possible that the Shuriman priests were lying when they claimed they had the favor of the gods? Maybe they could have been stealing power to create the Ascended? Just thinking this because the Aspects tend to be people possessed by the Celestials, and it's possible that the Celestials don't like their power being put into beings that they aren't in control of.
Søvereign1 votesNot sure if that's the case. Zoe says “Some of you turned out not so bad, I suppose, but most of you were so damaged in the war with the Void, it’s a wonder you survived this long. Perhaps you and your kind were a mistake to begin with, but a mistake I can help correct.”, so the aspects knew and approved of the creation of Sunborn, maybe even facilitated it. They seem, however, to dislike their power being "misused".
HalcyonDweller2 votesHmm, yeah, maybe. Thanks for addressing my comment!
RyzeTheSmurfMage1 votesAspects and Ascended draw from the same well.
So they are equal in power?
GreenLore2 votesThey are most likely given powers by the same beings(at least thats my theory),but in different ways.
The targonian aspects seem to be literally avatars,they carry the actual celestial beings inside them,which the ascended don't seem to do.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesThey are most likely given powers by the same beings,but in different ways.
The targonian aspects seem to be literally avatars,they carry the actual celestial beings inside them,which the ascended don't seem to do.
Uhh... Im pretty sure that you know more about lore than me, But... I dont think that they are given powers from the same "beings"... because, as far as i know, Stars are not beigns. They most likely get their powers from the same source, but in different ways. The Sun and Moon are not sentient creatures that can give power, Targonians and Ascended are taking the power from those sources. Even if the Targonians inside Leona and Diana say that they are the Sun and The Moon, they arent, they are living beings, not literal satelites and stars.
GreenLore1 votesIts just my personal theory,thats why I say "most likely",because I am sure that they are related,but we don't know the exact circumstances. Should have probably worded it a bit better.
Eitherway we really don't have that much of an info about the exact nature of the aspects,we don't know how the aspect of the sun actually relates to the sun itself or where the power that transforms the ascended is actually coming from.
However the way they describe the ascension ritual it sounds to me like the sun judges someone if they are worthy or not,thats why everyone says that ascension is "earned",so it does look like a sentient being oversees the ritual.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesIts just my personal theory,thats why I say "most likely",because I am sure that they are related,but we don't know the exact circumstances. Should have probably worded it a bit better.
Eitherway we really don't have that much of an info about the exact nature of the aspects,we don't know how the aspect of the sun actually relates to the sun itself or where the power that transforms the ascended is actually coming from.
However the way they describe the ascension ritual it sounds to me like the sun judges someone if they are worthy or not,thats why everyone says that ascension is "earned",so it does look like a sentient being oversees the ritual.
Well, Xerath (technically Renekton) proved that the Sun doesnt really judge anyone or anything, that anyone can do the ritual and get powers from it... If the Ritual goes wrong, then they can say that they were not worthy or something. But we dont know if that is true.
And even if the Sun itself were a sentient being, it would not be a Targonian. Because the Targonians were originated in Runeterra after the creation of the Sun itself of course.
GreenLore1 votesWell Xerath manipulated the ritual,so it is possible that he essentially overwrote the will of the sun.
And the targonians predate the ascension ritual, so it is entirely possible that they were in charge of the ascension this whole time.
Søvereign1 votesAfter what WAAARGHbobo just said, I'd argue that the ascended ARE celestials.
Stars Shaper2 votesThe magic behind the Sun Disc had cosmic powers as origin, the same source of power Targon uses.
The Aspects though wield it far better than any Ascended and even Ascended are just buffed humans compared to an Aspect that has confidence in the use of their power.
Johnny El Rojo1 votesAlso, if they ascended get their powers through a solar disc, where does this put in the cosmologic power scale?
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Also, if they ascended get their powers through a solar disc, where does this put
Not too high in my oppinion.
The solar disc get their power though the Sun, The Sun is a star, not a living creature that lived in Runeterra long time ago and the Targonians are creatures that lived in Runeterra long time ago, they arent starts. Leona get her power from a Targonian, not the literal Sun.
Basically what i think is that: Power of the Sun > Targonians / Ascended > Leona
The Targonians wanted to kill the Ascended because they were a danger for them, considering that, i dont think that an Aspect of the Sun can be strong as an Ascended.