Nocturne hasn't gotten a new skin in ages.

HipolasCage·Jan 16, 2016·16 votes·7,097 views

I feel like riot constantly forgets this champion even exists. Frick, I mean his last skin was eternum nocturne, which was released in 2012, and he only has 3 available skins, in which only one is worth getting (eternum). I sincerely hope they release a new skin soon because rn I feel like they have just forgotten him, and I'm sure theres fellow nocturne mains out there besides me unhappy with this.

EDIT: because people are whining about the number of skins, I'd like it to be known his LATEST skin was in 2012, I'm talking about how long its been since his latest skin, so quit crying about champs with small amounts of skins when they got one not too long ago, or if they were made after nocturne has received a new skin. Not to mention I said 3 AVAILIBLE skins. Void and haunting are both unobtainable.

42 Comments

GreenLoreJan 16, 20166 votes

Don't forget that it could always be worse. Kennen is like nocturne only without the legendary skin....

Actually xPekeJan 17, 20161 votes

Expect Nocturne also has new effects on his Halloween spooky nocturne skin (the white one) So really, kennen is way worse

Colgate MinuetteJan 17, 20164 votes

Nocturne has 5 skins why does he need more right now?

What about Zac? 2 skins

Bard, 2 skins

Kha'Zix 2 skins

Vel'Koz 2 skins

Xerath 4 skins

Yorick 2 skins

Zyra 3 skins

All of these champions some of them older then Nocturne have less skins then he does soooo why are we worried about Nocturne here?

Same with "Greenlore" complaining about Kennen, please kennen has 5 skins too.

Personally I rather like Zyra, Xerath, Vel'Koz and Kha'Zix and these champs have the least amount of skins in the game. Don't complain about Nocturne when someone like Alistar has 8 skins and Kha'Zix a very old jungle champ doesn't even have 3

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

OxbridgeJan 17, 20161 votes

Skins aren't, and shouldn't be about how many each champion has. Otherwise Illaoi would need to have 9-10 skins right now, which certainly is not feasible by any standard. Skins should be about their latest release date and keeping champion's updated per year. One skin per champion per year is feasible.

Colgate MinuetteJan 17, 20162 votes

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Skins aren't, and shouldn't be about how many each champion has.

Okay well, that means that the amount each champion has -does- matter. Kha'Zix and the others in my list have been around for years and have gotten two skins. Nocturne has been around for roughly~ish the same amount of time and has gotten 5. This guys complaining about "not getting a skin for nocturne recently" He has no room to complain when people who like other champions such as Vel'Koz or Kha'Zix don't get even half the choice Nocturne players do.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

OxbridgeJan 17, 20161 votes

Riot is not a perfect organization, so we cannot expect their ever-changing Skins department to follow the same path. In regards to KhaZix, I can only offer the hypothesis that the Skins department has few ideas for him and therefore is often put on the sidelines during skin development. (Or perhaps human bias, they simply don't like him...which of course is a matter of justice, lol).

Colgate MinuetteJan 17, 20161 votes

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In regards to KhaZix, I can only offer the hypothesis that the Skins department has few ideas for him

Jurassic Kha'Zix is a skin waiting to happen just saying
Battlecast Kha'Zix is an easy cop-out for a simple skin

And for all the parrallels they draw between Rengar and Kha'Zix a "Night hunter" skin would be killer.

OxbridgeJan 17, 20162 votes

Perhaps the Skins department hasn't thought of those?

Besides, I get the sneaking suspicion that lately, Riot's skins department refuses to re-use themes from the past. Why else was ChoGath, Renekton, and Anivia called "Prehistoric" and not "Jurassic"? And for Lunar Revel 2016, why are we not seeing a single Warring Kingdoms or Dragonblade skin? Instead, we're seeing Lunar Wraith, a theme which hasn't happened before.

RiotKindlejackJan 17, 201612 votes

Trust me, we have thought about them and almost every other skin idea out there. We talk about skin ideas all day every day and we love it! Sharing fan ideas along with our own and having a lot of fun trying to convince others that 'This is the year we finally do flying spaghetti monster Vel'koz'* is an important part of each day, but ultimately there has to be some tactical decision making to ensure that we are doing the best thing for all our players.

We didn't call the Prehistoric skins Jurassic because they aren't museum skeletons. Every time we discuss a skin for a void champion Jurassic comes up and we consider it, and I am pretty sure we'll make Jurassic Kha'zix eventually.

On the subject of Lunar Revel this year, I can't talk about it yet and that is perhaps the source of a lot of frustration (for you and me). A skin like Project: Zed took a really long time to come to fruition, and all the while players on the boards are asking 'why is Zed so unloved?' even though we were working on it. Unfortunately it's the nature of the work, it would be far more disappointing if we talked about it in advance and players got excited and then we had to cancel it for any number of reasons.

On the subject of Nocturne, I love this champ so much! I suggest him in open ideation sessions when appropriate. But if you look at the themes from last year; House of Cards, Dinosaurs, Bildgewater, Academy, RPG, he did't really fit. He could have made an excellent Marauder or Project candidate in my personal opinion, but there were other champions that also fit these themes really well; eg. Warwick hadn't had a skin since 2011 and has never had a legendary, same goes for Master Yi (early 2012).

However there was a huge increase in cadence last year you probably noticed, and only ~20 champions didn't get a skin (which, compared to previous years seems incredible to me) so the chances are, barring current reworks in progress, that those champions will now be a high priority for us.

*Alas, it is not. I'll try again in 2017 :P

DecritJan 17, 20161 votes

Now that you mention it... do you think flying spaghetti monster Vel' Kroz might rise religious issues, since it is similar to the Pastafarian god?

Don' t get me wrong, i reeeeeeeally doubt pastafarians would complain about that ( or at least they would complain the lack of the holy meatballs, which i think won' t be the case. damn i want a meatball juggling vel' kroz now ) but exponents of other religions might complain about a religious presence, or that it should/should not come their turn.

Jerks exist in this world :c

ThryaleJan 17, 20165 votes

On the subject of Lunar Revel this year, I can't talk about it yet and that is perhaps the source of a lot of frustration (for you and me). A skin like Project: Zed took a really long time to come to fruition, and all the while players on the boards are asking 'why is Zed so unloved?' even though we were working on it. Unfortunately it's the nature of the work, it would be far more disappointing if we talked about it in advance and players got excited and then we had to cancel it for any number of reasons.

You mean like Dragon Master Swain? Pretty sure morello's confirmed that at least twice now, and it's still been what? 3 years already? :(

Photos of GhostsJan 17, 20161 votes

Might happen in a year of two, it's been unscheduled.

RiotKindlejackJan 18, 20164 votes

Yeah, and Ao Shin, Magma Chamber... it's hard because we are always excited about projects but we have learned the hard way that sharing work in progress just isn't player-focused.

BârdJan 18, 20161 votes

AO SHIN CONFIRMED??!?!?!

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M11edacc56cb159b0f8616adc7524e4f7H1&pid=15.1

MacDthreeJan 20, 20161 votes

they confirmed it forever ago. It's just been a long time in the making because they ran into some problems with him i guess.

ThryaleJan 18, 20161 votes

well, to be perfectly fair, DMS is a little different compared to Ao Shin and Magma Chamber. Morello openly admitted that he confirmed it way back win simply to make sure the art guys would actually do it.. eventually [soon (tm)] XD

but you gotta admit, it'd make for a pretty epic ultimate skin for our master tactician. [slayer-jinx-wink]

chriseritJan 17, 20161 votes

probably not the best topic to ask about it but usually how much time do you need to make a skin (from ideation to release on pbe)?

DesideriumJan 17, 20161 votes

I'm really loving the high skin release rate. Is it going to keep up for 2016?

RiotKindlejackJan 18, 20161 votes

Thanks for saying so, the team grew quite a bit last year and we worked very hard on developing a better pipeline. We are going to do everything we can to make this another awesome year for skins!

OxbridgeJan 17, 20161 votes

You make good and fair points, Kindlejack. If possible, I wish I could somehow share a document with you from Google Docs pertaining to this discussion. I just don't know how to share it privately.

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to respond to this discussion, Sir. :)

RiotKindlejackJan 18, 20163 votes

I have a cold right now so I have some spare time. I was happy to find something I could talk about >:)

What's the doc about? Skins team track all sorts of metrics, but I like to also keep my own that lists things like how many skins a champion has, when they last got a skin and how many are available for purchase if you started a new account today. I think that's really important because while someone like Corki has 7 skins, only 2 are available for purchase. What's more one is a manatee and the other is Lunar Revel themed which means that he doesn't have ANY skins on offer for someone that just wants a cool Corki skin.

OxbridgeJan 18, 20161 votes

Aww, I hope you feel better very soon! Have some hot chocolate maybe?

And yeah, it's a spreadsheet that lists the exact date of skin releases for champions, price and name of the skin as well. I also have it colour-coded for Ultimates, Legendaries, Worlds winners, Limiteds, and more. I only listed the 100 champions I own out of the possible 128 right now (that's my bias for the data...), but I've found it helps me when answering skin-related questions on the boards when Rioters like yourself don't have much time to do it. I'm just very passionate about skins. :)

RiotKindlejackJan 18, 20161 votes

Obviously so am I! Even after I was brought in-house and have access to all our data I like to keep my own spreadsheet for quick-checking and just planning ahead. Thinking about which champions and skins we could potentially work on in the future.

OxbridgeJan 18, 20161 votes

Have you ever considered bringing in average players on a volunteer basis to help with things like skin development and allocation? It would speak volumes for community involvement. Obviously you'd need people who can be trusted and fully understand the business cycle therein.

RiotKindlejackJan 19, 20161 votes

I'm not sure which problem this would solve, and given that any players involved wouldn't be able to publicly disclose anything it wouldn't really impact the community. I can tell you that the skins team is entirely comprised of extremely talented and dedicated players who were employed for their affinity with LoL. I haven't met anyone who cares more about skins than the people on this team.

OxbridgeJan 19, 20161 votes

Ah, I don't suppose there's a problem to solve with this suggestion. I only meant that it might amplify the good work already underway. :)

RiotKindlejackJan 19, 20161 votes

I understand. Things like the All Stars skin vote have high visibility so that's something we tried. I've been talking to our Community people about having more interaction between Artists and the community so hopefully you'll see more of that in the future. One of the problems is that we mostly only know English and live in LA, but LoL is a global game with players all around the world that would like to be involved with everything we do.

TerraRisingJan 18, 20161 votes

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I have a cold right now so I have some spare time. I was happy to find something I could talk about >:)

What's the doc about?

There's a google doc from Reddit that tracks all Champions' skins based on date of last new skin, among other factors. It doesn't track available skins in the store (that changes with sales and whatnot), but it's updated with every PBE cycle and patch. I would send the link to you, but I don't know if the document's creators want it shared here.

Skins team track all sorts of metrics, but I like to also keep my own that lists things like how many skins a champion has, when they last got a skin and how many are available for purchase if you started a new account today. I think that's really important because while someone like Corki has 7 skins, only 2 are available for purchase. What's more one is a manatee and the other is Lunar Revel themed which means that he doesn't have ANY skins on offer for someone that just wants a cool Corki skin.

What do you say about Talon, who saw a skin released a year ago that's only available during special sales (SSW Talon). Prior to that, his last currently available skin was Dragonblade Talon, released in October 2012! Seems like a good example of the Skins team making something just to take it off the "long wait since last skin" list. Same with skins like KoC Morde and BM Zilean...

Colgate MinuetteJan 25, 20161 votes

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Corki has 7 skins, only 2 are available for purchase.

Yea that's a really annoying feature for a couple champions come to think of it.

Anyway all of this being said, all of the details your shared and such. I know I probably won't get a response for some time as I missed your actual active commenting on here by a few days. I just have to ask.

Is there in construction or will there be another Zyra skin within the next year or two?

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] Thanks for commenting on everything else.

TerraRisingJan 17, 20161 votes

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However there was a huge increase in cadence last year you probably noticed, and only ~20 champions didn't get a skin (which, compared to previous years seems incredible to me) so the chances are, barring current reworks in progress, that those champions will now be a high priority for us.

New Yorick skin in 2019, the dream...

So... why hasn't Sion had a skin more than a year after his rework?

TourianJan 18, 20161 votes

FSM Vel'koz would be the only/first legendary I actually buy.

Linna ExcelJan 18, 20161 votes

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and I am pretty sure we'll make Jurassic Kha'zix eventually.

I think Permian Kha'zix would be more appropriate. Also, we need a Devonian Nami.

DessemJan 18, 20161 votes

so the chances are, barring current reworks in progress, that those champions will now be a high priority for us.

Evelynn's rework is most definitely not in progress, but is she on the list of champions to get a new skin? :(

Colgate MinuetteJan 25, 20161 votes

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'This is the year we finally do flying spaghetti monster Vel'koz'*

I'm sorry I didn't realize you commented on here otherwise I would have returned a lot sooner.

But anyway.

Can this be a thing? Please? I love this champ

GreenLoreJan 17, 20162 votes

For skins there are many factors that play a role:

The number of skins the champ already has is of course one of them,a champ who has already 9 skins isn't in such a big need for more skins.
How long its been since the last skin of the champion,if a champion didn't get a new skin for quite some time,then they'll get more priority even if they have already a lot of skins
If a champ fits a planned group theme,for example ryze was fitting for the RPG theme so he got a skin even though he has already so many
What kind of ideas Riot has,if they come up with a really cool idea,then they might make the skin even if the champ isn't really in need of it.
How easy it is to make a good skin for the champion,I mean Kha'zix has an evolving model,which adds quite a bit work to his skins,meaning that a kha'zix skin is more work than a nocturne skin.
How up to date is the champion?Older champions might have outdated rigs,making it difficult to make new skins for them(eve suffers from this),if a VU is planned for the champion anyway,then skins for them are out of question anyway
What kind of skins the champ already has.I mean a champ who has a lot of cheap skins is more likely to get a more expensive skin next,which obviously requires more work and time.

So while champs like Kha'Zix and Vel'koz for example should be high on riots priority list,because of their low number of skins,Nocturne and also Kennen should also be rather high on it,because they didn't get a skin for quite some time. I mean it is not like they can only work on 2 or 3 skins at a time...

Yorick however is getting a rework,so there is a reason why he doesn't get any new skins.

HipolasCageJan 19, 20161 votes

You're joking right? Guardian of the sands kha'zix was released last year, where the last nocturne skin was released in december of 2012, before kha'zix was even a champion...

DesilothJan 17, 20161 votes

Lets be honest what can you do with Zac other than changing his color of his goop. You cant do anything with him without changing him too much.

Kaiser NoahJan 17, 20161 votes

actually nocturne has 5 in total.

Get ItJan 19, 20162 votes

If you think that only eternum is only worth, you are very misinformed, there is frozen terror. Not everyone wants only legendary plus.

The LovelessJan 20, 20162 votes

Frozen Terror would look sick if they reworked him, I bet.

Lysdexic1Jan 16, 20161 votes

They can't see him through all that DARKNESSSSSSSS.

The LovelessJan 20, 20161 votes

Nocturne needs a visual update first. I remember years ago the reason that was given for some champs not getting skins is because Riot would rather do the visual overhaul first, instead of having that extra skin to also update.

I hope he gets a small rework in the future. He's still one of my preferred assassins (meaning NOT a jungle TANK), but his animations are old and wonky looking.