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Varus' new lore: The Good, the Bad, and What Could've Been

Vampire Jesus··27 votes·4,119 views

I'm aware that a lot of people are already sharing their thoughts in other threads. I figured I would share mine, as I did agreed with the writers on Varus' lore that I would be sure to express how I felt about the new lore. I want to try to make it as constructive as possible, to share the things I liked, the things I didn't like, and ideas that could probably have made the whole thing more palatable.

So, let's get started with THE GOOD:

  • I appreciate and encourage Riot attempting to bring in characters who are LGBT. Just a few days ago, I worked to figure out the numbers for diversity in the League of Legends lore, and unsurprisingly found it discouraging how there were no plainly stated canonical LGBT characters. This is now changed, and I can appreciate that. It's a bold move to change a character like Varus who is very beloved by his players in this manner. Thank you!
  • Both the comic and the music video had gorgeous visuals. I did truly enjoy it.
  • I could definitely see that a lot of effort was made into trying to put together a tragic story.

THE BAD:

  • Regretfully, I had little to no feelings about Kai and Valmar. I had genuine difficulty in telling the two of them apart both physically and in terms of personality. It would have been nice to see maybe one of them being cheeky/snarky/temperamental, and the other being different enough in other ways, but they still compliment each other. In any case, I just didn't feel strongly about them, and their chemistry was bland, so I inevitably just didn't feel too charmed by them. This is unfortunate, considering their tragedy.
  • The end result of Varus being a combination of three entities (Kai, Valmar, and Varus himself) is incredibly messy. Watching the three of them fight against each other to keep control just feels like a big clown fiesta, and I didn't really enjoy it. I admit this could be personal taste, but I'll elaborate my thoughts in the next section below.

WHAT COULD'VE BEEN:

My thoughts on the end result of who Varus is now feels just odd, clumsy, and unappealing. I don't enjoy the concept of these three dudes fighting for control over one body. I guess the best way I can explain this is that it's like taking the name "Iron Man" and deciding that it's now "Tony Stark and his lover (male or female) are fighting for dominance over this super powered body against the Evil Iron Man" and it's weird? It's weird. I don't really dig it. I feel like if you wanted to have a similar impact with some notable differences, here are some ideas:

  • Kai could have end up saved by Valmar sacrificing himself. Valmar is no longer permitted in Pallas due to the Darkin's influence changing him, and they either much tragically separate until Valmar finds a way to separate himself from Varus, or maybe Kai goes with him to find a way to help him, leading up to Kai to becoming a new Champion or keeping him as a supporting character in the lore.
  • Kai is not saved, and Valmar takes in Varus to extract vengeance. Still fairly true to the old lore with a slight change on the original tragedy.

In any case, I think what my preference would be to see them not as three guys duking it out mentally, but maybe eventually allowing Varus to becoming just one entity again or at least make this less... I dunno, messy.

I hope my thoughts are clearly read. Overall, I didn't particularly enjoy the changes; more complicated does not mean better, necessarily, and that's what it feels like here. Varus' original story was simple, to the point, and easy to appreciate, and I admit even little things such as his character animation of him grasping his necklace and looking up forlornly really used to get to me to establish his loss. It was simple, and I liked that. We now have that much less so.

From what DyQuill had stated previously about the lore rolling up, this is about what I anticipated. I'm glad it's not an outright Pantheon situation, but it's still not very clean storytelling. I only hope that some of this feedback is helpful in some way.

Let me know what you guys think, good or bad or what you wish it could've been.

41 Comments

OurLestrade10 votes

Seems like a messier, less enjoyable version of Kayn/Rhaast basically.

Vampire Jesus8 votes

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Seems like a messier, less enjoyable version of Kayn/Rhaast basically.

That's kind of how I feel. There are some clear differences, and I like Kayn and Rhaast's banter, but it is feeling like just a repeat of what we had before.

Rebonack4 votes

I feel like the whole thing was a setup for a threesome joke that just never materialized.

redniwediS3 votes

As I've said on other threads canonically speaking there have been no officially stated gay or straight characters or champions. For all we know everyone on Runeterra is bisexual.

Definitely agree with your points though.

Vampire Jesus2 votes

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As I've said on other threads canonically speaking there have been no officially stated gay or straight characters or champions. For all we know everyone on Runeterra is bisexual.

Definitely agree with your points though.

I'd like to believe that! If bisexual is the default state, I'm 100% down, but until now we just didn't see any clear relationships other than heterosexual ones. Sorry if I didn't make that point clear before.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

I see what the guy is saying though. We just don't know, but sexuality rarely comes up in a Champion's lore. Literally Xayah/Rakan and Lucian are confirmed straight, the rest we have no idea.

Vampire Jesus2 votes

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I see what the guy is saying though. We just don't know, but sexuality rarely comes up in a Champion's lore. Literally Xayah/Rakan and Lucian are confirmed straight, the rest we have no idea.

Not entirely true. We also have:

  • Darius, who had a female love interest in his past and implied to have a child at one point.
  • Zoe's clear crush on Ezreal via dialogue.
  • Ashe and Tryndamere were betrothed in the last bit of lore I saw, though I'll admit I'm not sure if this is still true. Admittedly, this has more to do with "Ashe is trying to unite people" than it has to do with her sexuality.
  • Garen and Katarina's interest in each other.
  • Kassadin had a daughter. He could have adopted, but I assume he probably had a female lover once.
  • Rumble has a crush on Tristana.
  • Azir had children. Again, perhaps less in to do with his sexuality and in more of a feeling of duty, but per evidence we have thus far he's shown to have been sexually involved with women primarily.

I know some would claim that Taric is gay or some variance thereof, and I would love to agree but we haven't had any confirmation beyond "he loves all life".

Valaran Nara1 votes

I'd like to believe that! If bisexual is the default state, I'm 100% down, but until now we just didn't see any clear relationships other than heterosexual ones. Sorry if I didn't make that point clear before.

We have a few LGBT support characters.

I don't remember her name, but only one of them popped up for a second time. She's the Noxian Warmason that was in one of the Piltover stories as well as Darius's comic. Also, I'm pretty sure she is not too fond of Draven's machismo.

Other than that, I only remember one child. He was in Janna's color story. The boy was a sumprat in Zaun trying to make something of himself. One of the Piltovan's laughed at him and as the boy was crying, Janna came in to comfort him.

Neither of those characters were outright "Look, I'm gay, hur durr", but it was handled tastefully as side thoughts and that random detail that could be so easily overlooked by most if it wasn't for the fact that being LGBT isn't a norm.

NeekoTrap1 votes

Rakan and Xayah are in what is assumably a monogamous heterosexual relationship. So except for them. And Lucian, who's also been committed to his wife.

While you could argue that these champions could have had sexual relations or have a sexual orientation that is undefined, being in a monogamous relationship with someone of a certain gender for a significant length of time certainly strongly indicates heterosexuality. If we define sexuality based on observation rather than identification, it is clear that there does exist defined heterosexual lovers in League of Legends.

redniwediS2 votes

Relationships are different than orientation. Two bisexuals do not have a bisexual relationship, they have a heterosexual or homosexual relationship.

NeekoTrap2 votes

That of course is based on internal identity vs externally defined identity. Lucian, Rakan, and Xayah, are observably and provably heterosexual, though not exclusively. For the sake of argument, it is clear that they have both internally and externally defined heterosexual identities, and undefined other sexualities. Your argument assumes that a hetero/homosexual is strictly of that identity, and that those aren't simply components of a whole.

I.e., Xayah being straight does not disclude her from also being bisexual, but does include her as having heterosexual components.

redniwediS1 votes

Alright now I'm just confused. I am trying to understand what you're saying here, but it also makes very little sense to me. I don't have a strong grasp on "identity" to begin with, so the idea of external and internal sexuality is like someone telling me the earth is a cube.

I always took the words heterosexual and homosexual to be mutually exclusive with one another, and the term for when they are not to be bisexual. In other words I thought heterosexual meant both that someone was attracted to the opposite sex and also means they are not attracted to the same sex. How does this fit into an internal or external identity, or am I simply wrong?

Also could you explain what exactly an internal or external identity covers?

NeekoTrap3 votes

Ever hear the quote "The Japanese say you have three faces. The first face, you show to the world. The second face, you show to your close friends, and your family. The third face, you never show anyone. It is the truest reflection of who you are. Reddit, what is your true face?"

Well I can't personally speak for whether the Japanese actually say that, it gives us a basis of understanding.

On the inside, you are, well, you. You know who you are, how you feel, and what your thoughts and opinions are. This is your self-identity. Who you think you are.

Then, there's how you go about interacting with other people. How those people see and concept of you - you live in their minds as well as your own. This is your external identity.

How you present your identity, how you act and behave, according to setting and people, is your self-expression. Other people see your self-expression, and use that to form a basis of who they think you are.

Thus, Lucian may be bisexual internally. However, he has a loving heterosexual relationship with his wife, and expresses his (heterosexual*) love to her. As such, an observer, who is not otherwise aware of Lucian's homosexual feelings, may characterize him as simply being heterosexual. If he did not know any better, than it would be a safe assumption that Lucian is heterosexual.

Of course, external identity is always dependent on social constructions and understanding. How you act may be perceived in one way while what you mean is different.

In this sense, what we describe as homosexuality and heterosexuality can differ from place to place and culture to culture. It is my own opinion, not fact, that heterosexuality and homosexuality are not mutually exclusive, but rather are inclusive and can have varying internal qualities and descriptors, which we use the terms "homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual" to describe. A bisexual woman may have preference for women and less so for men, but they still like both, for example. As such, they may choose to describe themself as homosexual, bisexual, bisexual and leaning towards homosexual, homoflexible, etc. I believe that these terms are less useful than descriptive explanations and internal reflection.

* I am not implying that heterosexual love is different than homosexual love. I believe all love is equal. I'm simply trying to be descriptive.

tl;dr: you can be gay and straight at the same time and that's bisexual, but that doesn't make you exclusively one or the other either.

redniwediS1 votes

Wow, that actually cleared up my confusion perfectly, I guess don't put much weight in anything but the internal side. Thank you for the excellently written explanation.

NeekoTrap2 votes

No probs bob. I'm glad that I helped! If you ever want to talk about this sort of thing, hit me up in league some time!

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Too messy, like you said.

It feels like it's a step up from Kayn in terms of the Darkin Human power dynamic.

Instead of 1 v 1, it's 1 v 2!

Feels uninspired.

Darius Strada3 votes

Completly agree with you. I much prefer to have new LGBT champions than old ones and their fights is a mess. And yeah, it's very hard to tell Kai and Valmar apart. Only the hair tells them apart.

KuroCaliber7 votes

Believe me, if it had been a new champion, people would have said: "Oh look, a champion released just for being gay."

Darius Strada2 votes

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Believe me, if it had been a new champion, people would have said: "Oh look, a champion released just for being gay."

the sad part is that it's probably true

ZedUsanGovos4 votes

There's just no winning either way. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I feel like I might be damned for what I say next, y'know?

Personally, I don't hate Varus' new lore, however, I do think that it took away the impact of a father, a husband, a warrior, and a defender willingly giving himself up, because it meant most likely losing the last shred of humanity in him, just to avenge his loved ones. Here, I don't feel that impact. Although the concept is hella dope (two souls being combined into one with a Darkin), and the music video was amazing, I just didn't get that same level of tragedy.

Like others have said, I'd have much rather seen this specific lore attached to its own new champion, rather than a pre-existing one whose sexual preferences are implied, if not explicitly shown (wife and kid). I didn't really connect to Val and Kai as actual characters within the story, because they just... showed up. They had no lead up to the Varus retcon, and just came up out of the blue for me. Now, if Riot had made Val and Kai into a new champion with or without a Darkin, they'd be able to hype it up, build suspicion and excitement, and I'd be much more invested in the character(s). Hell, if they even teased this and lead up to it, introducing each character and their backgrounds, I'd be fine with it.

Or, if Riot didn't want to slap the lore onto a new character but wanted to maintain their goal of diversity, there's a whole list of champions whose sexual preferences have no impact on their lore. Zed (altho it'd fuck my Syndra x Zed head-canon, I wouldn't be opposed to it), Kayle, Talon, Nidalee, etc.

The issue that most people have isn't necessarily that there's a gay character, but rather, that a pre-existing character was changed either FOR being gay, or that the character being changed to being gay was a result OF the lore update. This is especially divisive when we see that Varus' old lore, the whole reason he gave himself up, was because of his wife and biological child. When Tracer's sexuality was revealed, there was a stir in the community, no getting around that, but people were more concerned about their sexual fantasies and fan-fictions than Tracer herself. Because she was never given any piece of lore that hinted at her being straight or gay.

The same thing happened in Marvel, where notable heroes were changed for the sake of diversity. One major issue everyone had was with Iron Man. Some shit went down, and Tony trained a young black woman to be Iron Man, rather, taking the mantle of the identity. Would this be a problem? Not necessarily, if she was able to launch off of that into her own character. But that's not what happened. Instead, she took over the role of Iron Man. The Tony everyone knew and loved was no longer the Iron Man everyone knew and love, and the potential for a new, interesting character who could also work as a great role model was squandered. And that's what people hated. The fact that Marvel, rather than fleshing out a new, interesting character whilst still retaining some connection to a beloved hero, simply changed a pre-existing hero (Iron Man, not Tony himself) for the sake of diversity.

Meanwhile, Miles Morales. Initially, some people complained that he was just a "black Peter", as the Spiderman who took up the mantle following Peter's death in the Ultimate Universe. The thing is though, that Miles launched off into his own character. He wasn't just a "black Peter Parker" anymore. He evolved into "MIles Morales, the Ultimate Spiderman", and that's why people loved him over the Iron Man replacement. Because he became his own character and wasn't just a fill-in for the sake of diversity.

People can take my words this way or that, and paint me a homophobe or a racist any way they so wish, but the point of it is, I have no qualms about a gay character-- just when the character is changed to be gay, but they're have their confirmed (if not implied) sexuality playing a large role in their lore. ESPECIALLY because there was no lead up into these new characters being introduced.

No investment in the characters+a general distaste for changing characters who have already been defined, if not implied to be, as one thing or another= Eh. Just... eh.

Vampire Jesus1 votes

I think I can see what you're saying, and I'm pretty sure that I don't necessarily even disagree with you. While I appreciate Riot's boldness in putting in an LGBT aspect, it was also just BADLY done overall. I think that the simplest route would have just been to change his wife to a male lover, have him keep his son and almost everything else the same if they wanted that shift in his sexuality. But instead, this whole thing was just fairly weak. That much we can agree with.

Spizzle90003 votes

As a father, I honestly cannot say that there is anything in the world nearly as compelling as the love a father has for his son. Not even for his significant other, for his son is a hybrid of his beloved and himself, which in a way gives physical form to their love. I do not have anything against LGBT+ people, but the motives of Valmar and Kai seem less intense relative to the wrath of a father deprived of his son.

Vampire Jesus2 votes

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As a father, I honestly cannot say that there is anything in the world nearly as compelling as the love a father has for his son. Not even for his significant other, for his son is a hybrid of his beloved and himself, which in a way gives physical form to their love. I do not have anything against LGBT+ people, but the motives of Valmar and Kai seem less intense relative to the wrath of a father deprived of his son.

As a woman in a queer relationship, I think it's crude to compare one love to another. I would have liked if they kept Varus' son involved in some way, be him adopted or from another relationship, but I think including a sentence like "Nothing against LGBT+ people, BUT" makes this sound more offensive than perhaps you intended.

Spizzle90002 votes

I'm not stating that LGBT+ people have less capacity to love. I am not claiming that it is wrong or evil. I am simply stating that a good parent will value the very flesh and blood of their partner and themselves above all else. How is that crude or controversial? What is it the generally accepted best way of tormenting a person beyond imagination? Kill their children.

As for your idea of keeping the son in addition to the current lore, that would've been fine by me. And, as for your last comment, I said that specifically because I'm not homophobic, transphobic, etc. because some people might read it in a hurry and take it the wrong way. Apparently there's no way to win, or perhaps I just don't know how.

Vampire Jesus1 votes

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I'm not stating that LGBT+ people have less capacity to love. I am not claiming that it is wrong or evil. I am simply stating that a good parent will value the very flesh and blood of their partner and themselves above all else. How is that crude or controversial? What is it the generally accepted best way of tormenting a person beyond imagination? Kill their children.

As for your idea of keeping the son in addition to the current lore, that would've been fine by me. And, as for your last comment, I said that specifically because I'm not homophobic, transphobic, etc. because some people might read it in a hurry and take it the wrong way. Apparently there's no way to win, or perhaps I just don't know how.

Killing Varus' son in the old lore was but of one of many things that struck against him. It sounds ridiculous to say that it's more impactful to kill someone's child over their lover. Everyone will feel differently about that, clearly.

My best suggestion to you in the future would be to not ever say "I'm not homophobic/transphobic/etc., BUT" in any argument. In most cases, it will certainly act against you.

Spizzle90003 votes

A. Okay the comic made this much cooler than words did so damn good job Riot although I hope Varus wins because Darkin are fantastic.

B. Only a horrid parent would value their lover over their child. Obviously you need to strike a balance between caring for your child, your lover, yourself, etc. but the thing about your child is that it is not only a separate person to love but it is an extension of the love you and your lover share (or rather it is supposed to be because some families are not as lucky as others and have abusive parents or just horrid children).

C. Noted. Thanks!

Vampire Jesus1 votes

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A. Okay the comic made this much cooler than words did so damn good job Riot although I hope Varus wins because Darkin are fantastic.

B. Only a horrid parent would value their lover over their child. Obviously you need to strike a balance between caring for your child, your lover, yourself, etc. but the thing about your child is that it is not only a separate person to love but it is an extension of the love you and your lover share (or rather it is supposed to be because some families are not as lucky as others and have abusive parents or just horrid children).

C. Noted. Thanks!

The comic was definitely very pretty, I'll give it that.

I think valuing one tragedy over another isn't a great set of priorities. I obviously don't mind that Val and Kai are lovers, but this seems to bother you because it was better if Varus' kid was murdered instead because you're a father. Are Kai and Val less sympathetic as a result for you, out of curiosity? Or would it have been sufficient if Varus' kid still existed, but he had a male lover instead? I'm simply trying to understand your preference here.

Spizzle90001 votes

The latter would be perfectly fine with me.

Vampire Jesus1 votes

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The latter would be perfectly fine with me.

I appreciate the answer. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

thecowley2 votes

I thought Kayn/rhast was interesting in the idea that he was between Old Varus and Atroxx. Old Varus had conquered the darkin(for now at least) while Atroxx dominated his host. Now we have a second Darkin that is battling his hosts, and a fourth darkin on the horizon, New Varus sister.

I dont care one way or the other about the gay part. Doesnt mean anything to mean positive or negative. Given how quickly all of this is out, it doesnt matter what gender/orientation the relationship was/is for the combined humans. This just feels like a sloppier and cheap rip on Kayn's lore.

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

If Kayn has Rhaast inside him, And Varus has Kai AND Valmur inside him at the same time,

Aatrox! Oh no! I should've seen it coming. (Ew.) I should've seen it at the overdramatic flight that gets interrupted by someone sneezing.

At least Darkin characters never have a problem going to the bath room.

Stars Shaper1 votes

This is the thread I agree more with.

sarii fox1 votes

I really disliked the comic, I even hated it. In my opinion the art takes away from the story. It's mainly the bland expressions that bother me most. I mean just look:

http://grabilla.com/07b1e-d38130b5-8f08-415e-905e-f25986e70e92.png

Is that the kind of face someone makes when they see their lover shot?! He looks mildly disappointed more than anything. He doesn't even have his mouth open. And the second panel is just as sad, he shouldn't look angry, he should be a desperate emotional train-wreck. The choice of having a blue background also takes away from the mood and emotion of the story. I found these problems all throughout the comic as I read it...As an artist this is really bothering.

Part three is just a mess of the three beings (varus) arguing about the same thing over and over again...with the same color scheme throughout...it got boring fast for me, I couldn't even finish it.

I think I'll just make my own post about this

Vampire Jesus2 votes

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I really disliked the comic, I even hated it. In my opinion the art takes away from the story. It's mainly the bland expressions that bother me most. I mean just look:

http://grabilla.com/07b1e-d38130b5-8f08-415e-905e-f25986e70e92.png

Is that the kind of face someone makes when they see their lover shot?! He looks mildly disappointed more than anything. He doesn't even have his mouth open. And the second panel is just as sad, he shouldn't look angry, he should be a desperate emotional train-wreck. The choice of having a blue background also takes away from the mood and emotion of the story. I found these problems all throughout the comic as I read it...As an artist this is really bothering.

Part three is just a mess of the three beings (varus) arguing about the same thing over and over again...with the same color scheme throughout...it got boring fast for me, I couldn't even finish it.

I think I'll just make my own post about this

I like your criticisms so far, and I look forward to your post.

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

It's a really valid point that Kai and Valmar are pretty much... identical. Before Varus was formed and one of them (Valmar?) got rage-fest-y and the other one (Kai?) got not-so-rage-hate-fest-y they were pretty much identical.

If they wanted to do a 3 souls in one body, they should have developed the 2 most relatable souls in that body so at least their personalities and pre-demon visuals stood out more. Right now, it's just 2 human souls + a darkin for the sake of it.

50000000000000001 votes

It was a good story on its own, but in the context of retconning old Varus, it kinda sucks.

E Man forever1 votes

Have any of you tried to sync the music video with an edgy rock song. In my case I do that with Linkin Park “Numb”. Pssst it’s awesome [galio-happy]

TresArboles1 votes

I agree w/ your post although perhaps we have different conclusions.

Let us compare the Darius comic to Varus'. I think they did a better job of developing the relationship b/w Darius and the lady over the years. There was decent foreshadowing that a split was going to pass. In some ways the ending was much better that Darius didn't hold the blade that struck her down and yet was responsible as the proponent of noxian might.

In Varus' story, we get some stupid twilight like "Heartstring" or whatever phrases. We get moma-varus pronouncing her blessing on their gay union which was breaking the 4th dimension. The foreshaddowing was heavy handed and silly (I sometimes get visions or hot flashes, you should run away or not). I had a tough time telling one hunter from the other; they were both pretty bland characters.

I felt the scene w/ the wounded hunter was a poorly executed copy of scenes from things like X-men Dark Phoenix saga. There's a moment where the X-men battle the Shiar imperial forces for Jean's freedom and they're whittled down one by one... till it's Summers and Jean left. They're running back defensively and for a moment she sets up a shield and they take a brief moment to kiss before going in for the final fight. And when Scott goes down, the Phoenix emerges...
Now what made the X-men work wasn't gay or straight but that you had good characters and story was more important than pandering!

So if one of the hunters was Varus and he became Daakin to save his lover... and his lover rejects him then or becomes afraid of him that would be more interesting? Or what if his lover became corrupted and Varus followed into corruption to have the power to end his mad lover's rampage?
I don't know why you have to be lazy writer to do write a gay story? I'm also surprised so many LGBT ppl are in support of this rework just because it has gay? If you're LGBT, you should support a good story not just gay!

Vampire Jesus1 votes

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I agree w/ your post although perhaps we have different conclusions.

Let us compare the Darius comic to Varus'. I think they did a better job of developing the relationship b/w Darius and the lady over the years. There was decent foreshadowing that a split was going to pass. In some ways the ending was much better that Darius didn't hold the blade that struck her down and yet was responsible as the proponent of noxian might.

In Varus' story, we get some stupid twilight like "Heartstring" or whatever phrases. We get moma-varus pronouncing her blessing on their gay union which was breaking the 4th dimension. The foreshaddowing was heavy handed and silly (I sometimes get visions or hot flashes, you should run away or not). I had a tough time telling one hunter from the other; they were both pretty bland characters.

I felt the scene w/ the wounded hunter was a poorly executed copy of scenes from things like X-men Dark Phoenix saga. There's a moment where the X-men battle the Shiar imperial forces for Jean's freedom and they're whittled down one by one... till it's Summers and Jean left. They're running back defensively and for a moment she sets up a shield and they take a brief moment to kiss before going in for the final fight. And when Scott goes down, the Phoenix emerges...
Now what made the X-men work wasn't gay or straight but that you had good characters and story was more important than pandering!

So if one of the hunters was Varus and he became Daakin to save his lover... and his lover rejects him then or becomes afraid of him that would be more interesting? Or what if his lover became corrupted and Varus followed into corruption to have the power to end his mad lover's rampage?
I don't know why you have to be lazy writer to do write a gay story? I'm also surprised so many LGBT ppl are in support of this rework just because it has gay? If you're LGBT, you should support a good story not just gay!

I think I agree with all of your points, honestly, especially the possibilities that could have been that you listed at the bottom of your comment!! This could have been so much more.

And it's also a shame about the LGBT community; I'm a queer woman myself, and I frankly just thought it was all bad writing. I want to support it because if including gay men, I really do, but this just isn't good.

PickIe1 votes

The old lore had this massive tragedy, but in this one we see two men dominated by a darkin who wants to kill people. Gay Varus? Neat. It adds diversity to the game. I think Riot should have kept Val and Kai as lovers, but made it more tragic rather than making it just a 3 way potata fusion of two very undeveloped characters and an angry demon guy who likes killing humans. What if Varus was an anomaly to other darkin?

What I think would’ve been better:

Kai is dying fast, Val is dying slowly, but Val hears Varus call out to him while Noxians are charging in, he accepts Varus into him, kills Noxians, and Kai dies from his wounds. As for Val-Varus, Varus could’ve had the potential to be a not-so-evil darkin. Varus and Val could have had a symbiotic relationship of helping one another (Varus is keeping Val alive), OR just a pure fusion where their personalities fused with one another, with some emphasis on Val (Val can see the memories of Varus perhaps?).

We would have a Noxian-hunting-darkin-empowered human (unlike Kayn who either kills or is killed by Rhaast, or Aatrox who dominated his vessel) who despises war, but fights to end them, unlike his darkin pal Aatrox. I don’t think making every darkin an ‘evil demon that wants to kill all humans’ is unique.

PickIe1 votes

Adding on, but I really think the current Varus lines ring well with Val, but Val could’ve had some more development. In addition, Varus is NOT unique in the slightest for wanting to kill people. A darkin that COULD be dominated (Rhaast), a darkin that dominated a human (Aatrox), and a darkin who isn’t trying to dominate his host would’ve made for diversity for the darkins. They seem like boring human-killing demons from any other game.

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