I just realized something since Gameplay =/= Lore

Im bad at adc··16 votes·2,654 views

Shouldn't Ionian Boots of Lucidity get a name change/removed or something?

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Darrosh Jewfist13 votes

I see the point you're trying to make and it's totally valid.

Riot either has to say that game-lore wise, the rematch is canon, change the item, or change the flavor text to refer to some Ionian victory over Noxus rather than the rematch.

Either way, a piece of Rito History will die.

Im bad at adc2 votes

I'd like to see them remain the same but since it goes directly against the retcon I bet if Riot catches sight of this they'll change them.

ULTRAF0RCE2 votes

It would be cool if they did another lore match

Im bad at adc2 votes

But since Lore=/=Gameplay and the gameplay is now a "Super Smash" MOBA that wouldn't make a lot of sense. It'd be fun but I doubt Riot would do it.

GreenLore1 votes

Well they could simply make this game as a stand in for a battle that happens in the lore.

Like in the lore there is some kind of event in which noxus and demacia fight each other,so they make a lore match,which will deceide into which direction the lore will go and who will win.

Shíny3 votes

It'd be nice, but they've said before they're not going to do anymore events that actually affect the lore.

Im bad at adc1 votes

That's essentially exactly what the Ionia vs Noxus battle was.

GreenLore2 votes

Yes,my point is that there is nothing preventing them from doing it again,even if the gameplay itself doesn't represent the stuff that happens in-universe directly,it can still represent it indirectly.

CupcakeTrap2 votes

It's been too long since I randomly mentioned Factions. It's a community project that organizes lore-based matches and produces a storyline with lore and artwork based on the results of the matches. It was very much inspired by the Noxus versus Ionia tournament.

disregardable3 votes

no?

Im bad at adc7 votes

The Ionian Boots of Lucidity were introduced as the item that honors the Ionian Victory in their rematch with Noxus.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ionia_versus_Noxus:_Rematch

It makes no sense that this item is in game since it has to do with Lore and all Lore based things were scrapped, no?

IS1c1d21220aa58ffe97d653 votes

You sir need to upgrade your understanding of some simple sentences lol...

and stop trolling this board.

disregardable2 votes

no.

OJ1911 votes

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The Ionian Boots of Lucidity were introduced as the item that honors the Ionian Victory in their rematch with Noxus.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ionia_versus_Noxus:_Rematch

It makes no sense that this item is in game since it has to do with Lore and all Lore based things were scrapped, no?

ionia still exists, so no.

the lore/flavour text of them needs changing sure, but considering they havn't even retconned all champions yet that could be a while.

LANWhale3 votes

oh....ya right....those boots huh. Completely forget about that little fact, well either way, what ever they decided to do it can backfire really hard.

If they plan to keep it as is, then it goes against the whole retcon. Since as you said gameplay doesn't equal lore.

On the other hand, they can change the words around but in the end will lose a big part of Riots history, especially something many watched.

All n all it seems like what ever option they go with, its going to backfire.

EDIT: I just realized I basically said the same thing as Darrosh Jewfist, sorry read the comments after i was done typing.

Solideus3 votes

Even if gameplay and lore are separate now doesn't mean they can't have events, like the "rematch", which affacts the story. Ashe Sejuani Lissandra Remember the Freljord Event, with the voting through each icon? That is a recent example of how they can have the game affect the lore. Supposedly the "poll results" of that will influence the development of the conflict in Freljord once they circle back to that area.

The game reflects the lore but the lore doesn't reflect the game. Decisions for the lore, however, *can *still be made through events in or outside the game. The result of those decisions will be described in another context, which isn't that different from what we had before; summoners where never described as literal earthlings in front of computers, either. Things aren't *that *different from when summoners were canon.

GreenLore2 votes

Overall since the game=/= lore it means that there is no reason to change them. I mean if that is the case,then why would they need to do it?The match happened in real life and isn't that worth remembering?

CupcakeTrap2 votes

Personally, I prefer the view that everything in-game is part of a separate lore-bubble, in which can be found Summoners, Champions, minions, the Fields of Justice, Ionian Boots of Lucidity, and so on. Meanwhile, Narrative is writing its Runeterran Adventures in a separate bubble. Narrative is importing some things from the lore of League itself, but they're two separate realms.

This is part of why I think it's really silly for Narrative to order other Rioters to strip Summoner references from Champion VOs. They don't demand that Summoner's Rift be transformed into a Tron-style neon grid. They don't insist that "THIS IS ALL FAKE" be plastered on the trees and walls of the Rift. They don't freak out about Announcer Lady saying that a Summoner has disconnected. The game itself depicts events from the League lore-verse, not from the Narrative lore-verse. So what's the problem with Lux saying, "Tactical decision, Summoner!" or Swain snapping, "I'll give the orders!" at the player?

B1naryB0t1 votes

What I think will happen is that it's just a name that they won't change and it could be argued the name just has no bearing anymore, it's just a cool name.

LeeDark1 votes

Actually, they can keep it as is BECAUSE the game has no bearing on the lore. The existence of the boots in the game is entirely meaningless. Because the Ionian-Noxian conflict was resolved with a Summoner's Rift match, it can be assumed that the conflict is either ongoing, or never happened.

More important is what that means for both Riven's and Yasuo's stories. Riven's story now goes, "I used to be Noxian, then I saw some horrible stuff in the Ionian invasion, and now I don't like them anymore." Yasuo's story goes, "I was guarding this guy, but I got cocky and left him alone so I could go kill some Noxians. He ended up dead and I took the heat because of the way he was killed."

GreenLore2 votes

The noxian invasion definetly happened(I think someone from riot even said that after they announced the retcon) The only things that changed are the way the conflict was resolved(probably ao shin) and maybe the reasons for noxus attacking ionia of all nations(could easily be justified through other things,such as ionia being close to zaun and that they thought of them as a bunch of pazifists)

LeeDark1 votes

You'll have to provide a link to an official confirmation of that before I'd believe it, and even then, I would be unsurprised if they later change their minds about it. You can't, however, say it definitely happened without that source, or speculate as to the nature or resolution of the conflict.

GreenLore1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/riot-official/6TxWksvF-dev-blog-exploring-runeterra?comment=00b20001

Also it makes sense that they keep it since they said that most stories are just canon(just not the parts about joining the league),which would include many ionians related to the conflict,not to mention that most ionian characters are greatly influenced by this conflict and that yasuo was still a fairly new champion when the retcon was announced and the retcon was surely already in the plans by that time. So there is literally no reason for them to change that.

LeeDark1 votes

One small sentence in a post by someone who is not someone I consider trustworthy isn't going to cut it; like I said, I would be unsurprised if they change their minds, especially if they've said so little about it, four months ago. Updated lore pages and some serious investment in the development of that story, then it'll be solid.

"Does this mean older story efforts like the Journal of Justice and League Judgments are meaningless? Of course not. In the same way that we can go back and enjoy old books, shows, films, art, and comics that have been superseded by more recent interpretations of the same material, League’s original lore remains a cherished part of its history. "

Considering that bit of bovine feces came from the Dev Blog linked in the OP of that thread, you can imagine how much trust I put in it.

GreenLore1 votes

Then please tell me why would they retcon the ionia conflict? It would mess up the lores ofIrelia Karma LeeSin MasterYi Riven Yasuo MonkeyKing and especially Varus

Especially since yasuo was released not even a year before the retcon,where they most likely had the retcon already in mind and Ao shin being hinted to play a large role during the ionia conflict.

Also if you consider Tommy gnox not trustworthy,then you can just not trust him when he wrote a devblog about removing the IoW...

LeeDark1 votes

The retcon is precisely the reason I don't trust Narrative. We asked about it for months in advance, specifically asked whether or not the Institute was being eliminated from lore, and were REPEATEDLY reassured that it wasn't. Now they spend one measly sentence assuring us the Noxian-Ionian conflict still happened, and I'm just supposed to accept that? You can be daft if you want, I'll believe it when sufficient evidence is in that it won't be going away.

They have invested NOTHING in the Ionian invasion since the retcon. There is no resolution to the conflict, no reason to believe the champions involved won't have their lore rewritten, and no reason to trust Narrative when it comes to anything that happened before the retcon. Hell, I don't think we have much reason to trust them on the stuff that came after the retcon, either.

GreenLore1 votes

They did say that the league won't be removed? all i can remember where rioters ignoring our questions.

Like Player: "Why did vel'koz join the league" Riot:.....

  • Riot announces the retcon Riot:Thats why guys like Vel are in the league,because the league doesn't exist anyway

Also Lore is nowadays mostly tied to champion releases and events,we didn't get an ionia champ(or a noxus champ) since the retcon,which is why we didn't hear about it yet. But it is clear that they planned the retcon in advance(or at least considered it) when they stopped mentioning the league and the summoners in the champion lores,where would be the point in writing yasuos lore,making a promo page for him if his lore gets retconned in not even a year?

LeeDark1 votes

I, myself, took part in a few threads in which that very question was asked and answered. I didn't save them, however, and don't have time to look them up right now. Check back later.

LordHippoman1 votes

Chances are they'll keep it as a "Hey, remember when this happened?" sort of thing.

Blackwindy1 votes

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