Disappointed in the Evelynn Rework

witchy punc·9/26/2017, 8:36:04 PM·8 votes·4,558 views

this is my first time posting on this board, mostly because i felt strongly enough about this to hope that riot sees and cares. i'm also ready for the incoming replies of people who disagree with me.

i'm very disappointed in the rework for evelynn for a multitude of reasons, the teaser image looked incredible and when her full body was revealed i couldn't feel anything other than sheer disappointment. i was ready for a new original and creative design, abilities, story, all of it, but it felt like anything that could of been original was just washed down the drain. many real life women already feel incredibly alienated in the gaming community, due to designs of female characters such as this, and the overall atmosphere of gaming communities. i am not the spokeswoman for all women in this community, and if you don't feel the same i'm glad you feel welcomed and accepted, but there are many of us who aren't as fortunate. https://medium.com/@FourArmsDemon/on-designing-better-women-in-games-ebe785d8689 this article summarizes everything how i feel about female designs in this game, and how now evelynn also is apart of the growing trend of the same female characters repeated again and again. she seems to use sex/beauty as her theme, which unfortunately, has been done countless times before, its nothing new. fictional characters don't have the autonomy to decide their own sexuality, fictional characters are puppets of their developers who wish to convey them in certain ways. its unfortunate to see what could of been an interesting female character, a demon or a monster with amazing skill and abilities, be designed as the same cookie cutter female body shape. having a female character with her abilities and theme centered around sex or beauty is nothing new and it contributes to a very narrow minded view of women in general. once again, it alienates your female audience, it feels as though female characters aren't made to be characters, but made to pander to a specific male audience. perhaps if she weren't the same trend of hourglass figured female you see in every fantasy game, it could've been more viable. it would be much more interesting if she was more monsterous or demonic, instead of a recolored thin humanoid. i understand thats what they were going for, she lures people in with her figure and kills them. but ask yourself, how many times has this been done before? how many other "powerful" female characters exist to use their sex, or beauty as a weapon. it harms real life women by contributing to a lot of stereotypes, and it alienates your female audience by pandering to men. because, lets face it, this character is very much intended to be conventionally attractive and sexualized. riot is capable of good silhouette designs for their male cast, but leaves their female characters to a lot of the same tropes. evelynn would of been so much more original or creative, you can still keep the sex theme or whatever, but how much more interesting would it of been to have a female character centered around the theme of lust but wasnt just another conventionally attractive humanoid. it feels lazy, boring, a cheap cop out to make a character targeted to be appealing towards the assumed biggest demographic of gaming. straight men. once again forgetting the diverse audience of women who might be just a little more than sick of having the same "powerful" sexy female character who uses sex as a weapon. or at the very least, give evelynn her old outfit back. somehow they made it even more revealing. its sort of sad how a majority of female designs rely on the outfit showing off their uhh, boobs and ass. if evelynn were designed to be a stealthy creature of the night, itd make more sense for her to have something more covering and lightweight. and there are ways to do that WITHOUT having it look like a victorias secret lingerie. though i guess, once again another female character is centered around sex. its very repeated and very outdone and very disappointing.

i believe in riot, and that they can do better. we've seen illaoi, we've seen taliyah, and we've seen the adorable yordles such as poppy. i know they're capable of diverse female designs that aren't centered around sexual appeal or their figure. i hope they read this feedback and take it to heart.

ps id like to know who molds all the armor for characters like leona or kayle cuz its so hard to find a good fitting bra but they seem to have the perfect mold that fits their figure perfectly. i guess only in a fantasy world is this possible lol

thank you for reading.

21 Comments

midnight oil249/26/2017, 8:39:11 PM10 votes

The thing is, her pre-rework character was about seduction and being attractive. They're cranking that up and making it a part of her gameplay. Her entire thing is luring people to their deaths, it makes sense that she'd have an unattainable body type IMO.

I don't know. I like it, and for me it works as an example of making a female character's sexuality be a focal point of the character without making it feel forced.

Valaran Nara9/26/2017, 8:58:11 PM5 votes

I think, at least with how Riot been working on their lore and background, they have gotten better with female representation. (They aren't at 100% because they can't just do a FULL rewrite of everything in one go.)

They fixed MF to where you can tell that she only acts ditsy to get guys to underestimate her, so she can continue being a pretty tenacious and outright vindictive pirate queen in her own right. Now when we get tidbits of MF lore, she honestly acts like something fully different from the in-game variation (cause they need to update VOs really badly).

Ahri is no longer just a monster that feeds off of others libidos (that's Evelynn's thing now). Actually, she feeds off of souls and general emotions, not just lust. Hell, she only ever loved one person, so being a sexual creature isn't something her story or personality panders to. She was just, unfortunately made before League got to fixing their female designs.

Sejuani's updated splash art gave her more muscle definition to show that she is in fact a barbarian warrior.

Right now, the problem is that what Rito is updating is a character whose main thing is sex and lust. From the very beginning her theme was "demon/succubus/vampire". That's why she use to have all that BDSM gear and whatnot. You're not wrong in your assertions that women are alienated (cause they are. I pretended to be female for 2 months once. The utter bullshit that came to me made no sense) The problem is...why de-sexualize a character who, inside and out, is sexual?

I think, the most they could have done was make her either bottom heavy or top heavy, but she would still have a heavy sexualized look. And making her bottom heavy would definitely get the 14 yr olds screaming "THICC" way louder than they are now.

With that being said, I think Riot is making progress and that this one looks bad purely because of her being sexual at the core. MF isn't sexual at her core and neither is Ahri which is why their lore got changed to either ex out the lust or use it as some facade. I'm sure when Nid is visited, she won't be all dirty sex puns and whatnot. I hope not at least. That wouldn't be really convincing at all. The only 2 I'm good with doing that is Eve (succubus) and Illaoi (hedonist)

MistaFarenheit9/26/2017, 8:55:37 PM4 votes

i think the visuals for her are pretty good for the most part. i mean you cant really have much success as a succubus if u look like a hideous man eating demon... the whole point was to have a figure the majority of people (men AND women) would find attractive. im sure there are a handful of people that have a serious boner for illaoi but id personally rather not get intimate with a woman whos biceps are bigger than my head, poppy is adorable but lets be real you cant trust anything that short. tali just annoys me. dont ask why, she just does.

i really dont understand being upset about "attractive" female characters. all of the men in the game are jacked beyond belief and the ones that arent are just comic relief or some kind of zombie/mutant... is the average man as buff as garen/darius/j4/olaf? hell no, the proportions arent even remotely realistic but im not gonna cry about it... they do the same thing with male characters they just cant add a huge bulge in the crotch to seal the deal is all.

3timesfaster10/11/2017, 9:24:07 PM3 votes

I am quite the avid Evelynn main,and I do rather hate the rework,and not because of her being turned into a sex demon which while tacky could have been done well. Its because of the horrible changes to her kit and gameplay. Let me begin with addressing the unfortunate fact that her AD scalings,which used to be solid and used to allow for multiple playstyles are now gone. Thusly we are shoveled into playing her as an AP burst assassin and do "le ebin playzzz" with her,seeing as she has no escape but her ult and requires an awkward situational combo to really burst someone down. Before I could easily choose when to go in and go out.Now Im at the mercy of her ults cooldown and her Ws cookoff time. She,from what Ive played her so far seems like a rather bland,boring and to top it off _gaudy_ champion. Now to address her gaudiness too... Lets begin by saying that turning what was once a mysterious assassin with the ability to blend with darkness into a sex demon who torments her victims to death was rather drastic. But not only was it drastic,but it was done badly. Her new design is somewhat plain-looking besides being supposed to be the height of female beauty. Her new voice sounds like that of an ordinary woman, filled with imperfections and frankly sounding more cringe-inducing than it does threatening too. All-in-all I have little good to say about the rework ,except that having the ability to regenerate health alongside the one to regenerate mana while in camouflage would have been just that dash of unbalanced cancer that I'd adore on my main champion and that the way they re-rendered her Q is actually quite more pleasant and fun to use than her old Q. I still do pray that one day they'll bring her AD scalings back.but alas...until that far-off day when Rito does something right I`ll be trying to play Tank Evelynn instead. Or even better-something like Kindred or Kha'zix. If you think about it Kha'zix is kinda like AD Evelynn too...r-right?

Bishasaurus Flex9/26/2017, 9:07:28 PM3 votes

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this is my first time posting on this board, mostly because i felt strongly enough about this to hope that riot sees and cares. i'm also ready for the incoming replies of people who disagree with me.

i'm very disappointed in the rework for evelynn for a multitude of reasons, the teaser image looked incredible and when her full body was revealed i couldn't feel anything other than sheer disappointment. i was ready for a new original and creative design, abilities, story, all of it, but it felt like anything that could of been original was just washed down the drain. many real life women already feel incredibly alienated in the gaming community, due to designs of female characters such as this, and the overall atmosphere of gaming communities. i am not the spokeswoman for all women in this community, and if you don't feel the same i'm glad you feel welcomed and accepted, but there are many of us who aren't as fortunate. https://medium.com/@FourArmsDemon/on-designing-better-women-in-games-ebe785d8689 this article summarizes everything how i feel about female designs in this game, and how now evelynn also is apart of the growing trend of the same female characters repeated again and again. she seems to use sex/beauty as her theme, which unfortunately, has been done countless times before, its nothing new. fictional characters don't have the autonomy to decide their own sexuality, fictional characters are puppets of their developers who wish to convey them in certain ways. its unfortunate to see what could of been an interesting female character, a demon or a monster with amazing skill and abilities, be designed as the same cookie cutter female body shape. having a female character with her abilities and theme centered around sex or beauty is nothing new and it contributes to a very narrow minded view of women in general. once again, it alienates your female audience, it feels as though female characters aren't made to be characters, but made to pander to a specific male audience. perhaps if she weren't the same trend of hourglass figured female you see in every fantasy game, it could've been more viable. it would be much more interesting if she was more monsterous or demonic, instead of a recolored thin humanoid. i understand thats what they were going for, she lures people in with her figure and kills them. but ask yourself, how many times has this been done before? how many other "powerful" female characters exist to use their sex, or beauty as a weapon. it harms real life women by contributing to a lot of stereotypes, and it alienates your female audience by pandering to men. because, lets face it, this character is very much intended to be conventionally attractive and sexualized. riot is capable of good silhouette designs for their male cast, but leaves their female characters to a lot of the same tropes. evelynn would of been so much more original or creative, you can still keep the sex theme or whatever, but how much more interesting would it of been to have a female character centered around the theme of lust but wasnt just another conventionally attractive humanoid. it feels lazy, boring, a cheap cop out to make a character targeted to be appealing towards the assumed biggest demographic of gaming. straight men. once again forgetting the diverse audience of women who might be just a little more than sick of having the same "powerful" sexy female character who uses sex as a weapon. or at the very least, give evelynn her old outfit back. somehow they made it even more revealing. its sort of sad how a majority of female designs rely on the outfit showing off their uhh, boobs and ass. if evelynn were designed to be a stealthy creature of the night, itd make more sense for her to have something more covering and lightweight. and there are ways to do that WITHOUT having it look like a victorias secret lingerie. though i guess, once again another female character is centered around sex. its very repeated and very outdone and very disappointing.

i believe in riot, and that they can do better. we've seen illaoi, we've seen taliyah, and we've seen the adorable yordles such as poppy. i know they're capable of diverse female designs that aren't centered around sexual appeal or their figure. i hope they read this feedback and take it to heart.

ps id like to know who molds all the armor for characters like leona or kayle cuz its so hard to find a good fitting bra but they seem to have the perfect mold that fits their figure perfectly. i guess only in a fantasy world is this possible lol

thank you for reading.

If you don't like the rework...

Drumroll

Sliding DOOOOON'T PLAY HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Seriously, Riot spends a lot of time and effort into new champs, skins and reworks. She's back succubus, and meant to be like she is. I think Riot nailed the rework.

Shiro no Akuma10/18/2017, 1:03:10 PM2 votes

You're a hypocrite. You see men like Darius, Tryndamere, Draven etc. and it's perfectly fine, it's just a game! You see Evelynn rework and be like "Women feel alienated in the gaming community" This has always been the case in human history, I won't make a post to state the obvious. If you don't like it, go back to the age where women were treated like slaves. I'm in no way saying that I agree with that primitive perspective, but to say that things are getting worse is just nope. Having wide hips and a round chest is considered standard beauty for a woman's body just like wide shoulders and pectorals are to a man. As long as they have the decency to hide private parts, why should we censor everything else? #GenderEquality

12kingomg10/10/2017, 6:12:01 PM2 votes

I, sincerely love the Evelynn rework because she is sexy, but she is sexy because of her kit. She also most be sexy becauseEvelynn of her lore

Darkeus9/26/2017, 9:30:08 PM2 votes

I mean, she is a succubus. Demons of lust. They are not normal women. They are supposed to be sexy and beautiful. So you have a point in general, but you miss the mark here.

1sst Time Zed10/13/2017, 12:21:41 AM2 votes

If any female character in league should be absurdly attractive it should be evelynn. There are plenty of characters to complain about being too hot but she is not one of them and there are a good number of really attractive men in league they just arent all running around shirtless

Juan Bambo10/13/2017, 9:59:15 PM2 votes

What the hell is up with this "creating cute slim girls in games is bad". And what about this "it's nothing new". You can say it about EVERYTHING, example: there are so many characters with guns and swords it's nothing new. If you have a problem with a girl in game is hot than hat should i say about man? LIke look on Braum, look on that UNREAL abs. Or what about fat ppl? Gragas he is soo fat and can run 100km/h and slam ppl with body. As a man i can also talk things like: Why there is no ugly man in league? Seriously find and ugly non stereotypical male warrior in league. TBH can we stop with this "women are opressed bcs there are hot female characters"? Yeah let's make an original and new fat WOMAN character because there is no fat character in league - really wtf.

PS: There is no non-manly male characters in league except Ezreal and amumu. Who is opressed now!?

Linna Excel10/13/2017, 10:11:16 PM2 votes

this article summarizes everything how i feel about female designs in this game, and how now evelynn also is apart of the growing trend of the same female characters repeated again and again. she seems to use sex/beauty as her theme

Have you seen the previous version of evelynn?

Sett a trap10/14/2017, 12:40:41 AM2 votes

Basically you're completely against any form of sexy femme fatale then I take it? Riot stopped making "Sexy girls". Evelynn was an exception since they wanted to do a succubus/assassin.

You should read the dev blog.

I don't know what you want then. Maybe they should just delete Evelynn, cait, and miss fortune then.

Btw you forgot to mention Jinx, Vayne, Lux, Syndra, - none of which are "super scantily sex vixens".

colossalJinx11/8/2017, 3:13:37 AM1 votes

I agree with your stance on this, however there's only two characters that really focus on seduction. Ahri & Evelynn. & they are supposed to be sexually appealing. One of the splash arts that disappoint me proportionally, more, is Soraka's. (her SG splash is fine). I always can't help but just stare at her waist (as an artist,) to me it looks wrong. With Evelynn's splash, her... Her waist, compared to others, isn't actually that small. Proportionationally, Evelynn isn't actually that thin. My main issue on her splash is her breasts, but I'd imagine they're just pushed together. In her model they actually fall into a fairly realistic shape (opposed to her.... uh...previous model... shudder). I think her visual update is a great improvement, as beforehand, she uh. Looked like a prostitute tbh. I actually really like her new look. She's manipulative & deceptive, I like her better than Ahri. (to me Ahri seems more airheaded, opposed to intelligent like Evelynn).

The only reason I despise these character's personalities is uh because they remind me of how I used to be in the past. .~.

I have more issue with characters whose main feature is not sexual, but their character is sexual. for Example Nidalee. Her design is unnecessarily sexual. THIS creates more well cancer I guess than Eve or Ahri because these characters do not focus on sex appeal, yet they are designed to ooze it. Therefore that's all I see in the character, a sexual image, & therefore I despise them & see them as one-dimensional. (Ahri & Eve build on this however so they are less 1-D).

My main is Poppy, & uh. She's a pretty non-sexual character. In every skin, she is completely covered. & none of her personality is sexual. If Riot released a skin that was revealing on her, I'd be pretty enraged because it goes against her personality. Even her Star Guardian skin, she's totally covered. So like.... When you have characters who are dressed sexually who aren't sexual, it's wrong. Tristana dresses pretty lightly but that carries in her personality as her more-so just not caring, she's laid-back & tomboyish. So it works. Just like Evelynn & Ahri work. They are dressing to impress.

uh... Looking at prework Evelynn, I am really pleased with the visual update. She's.... Hideous to be straightforward, Look at her breasts on the model. Compare them to new model. Which do you think is worse? Honestly? Prework Evelynn's boobs look like two bowling balls glued to her chest, & her waist is.... Tiny. Rework Evelynn however, her breasts sit naturally on her body. They're smaller (although in splash they look larger, but once again I assume they are pressed together). She looks more natural than before. My biggest problem is her lines of dialogue are extremely discomforting (I find it hilarious her taunt to Ahri is "skank" though. lmfaoooo).

Nonetheless thats my 2..... 200 cents maybe. I'm kind of all-over the place here sorry.

Edit:

I also just love those comments "WHAT ABOUT DRAVEN & DARIUS" - honey... You don't see women drooling over Draven & Darius, & preferring to pleasure themselves to those characters opposed to real people.... facepalm It's such a bullshit comparison I facepalm internally when I read it. It's the fact men choose to ooze over fictional characters opposed to real women that women have a problem with. When there's more League nudes on your boyfriend's phone than your own nudes, you'd feel pretty alienated too aye. It's a jealousy thing too, women are jealous creatures. (smh look at evelynn, calling ahri a skank) ; That's the problem. Not how "unrealistic" they are.

Electica9/27/2017, 10:38:44 PM1 votes

leaving a comment on this persons behalf, the skins that riot adds to these characters that take away their original skin tones (whether it be unnatural or no) and turn it into a default white where they otherwise wouldn't be feels like such a generic action to take, why not just keep the original tone? they have improved with diversity with the more recent characters but this seems like a redundant thing to do

if evelynn was supposed to fake her appearance to look like someone else it might be reasonable but the star guardian skins are also another example where this is present