Sorry for posting this, but the forums are here for discussion.

Ganon Kong··2 votes·1,384 views

Also sorry if I put this in the wrong board, I haven't used the new forums before and I feel like this was the most relevant because it's about the event. I'm just posting rambling thoughts about everything because this started a pretty big reaction in me. I know for a fact I'm going to get downvotes or w/e, oh well. This is more of a "rant" in the structure but it had most to do with the event. Please move this if it's not in the appropriate section.

I just need to start out by saying I love it when the lore and story interrupt my gameplay, especially in a game that is known as one of the most popular games of all time. I've seen constant reminders that Riot puts a focus on gameplay since that's the most important part when it comes to the LCS or w/e it is, the story has no influence there at all.

Remember when they removed the physical League of Legends, in story, from League of Legends? From what I recall that was to make a clear distinction from the story and gameplay, to let the story live and breathe on its own. WELP the story is influencing the gameplay with the "dead" Gangplank and his selection disabled. Couldn't you just say he's bugged like normal? We would all understand.

As a side note, some people actually like these champions a lot and to be slapped in the face with one of them being "dead" and not able to play them for an undetermined about of time? Cool. People so excited to see the new Gangplank and play him BUT OH WAIT THE STORY COMES FIRST.

Talking about that whole "letting the lore and the story live on its own", when this new lore direction went into place Riot almost IMMEDIATELY fell into the grimdark trap. Gangplank carving pictures into a guy's bone like my favorite My Immortal drawing from deviantart. If I'm to be convinced that this is a real world taking place, I'm supposed to assume that literally everyone hates and wants to kill each other because that's what I'm fed with. Drama. Angst. Romance. Deception. My FAVORITE Lifetime television special.

I've been playing this game for many many many many many years, and I've spent lots of money on it (mind you I'm not using this as a bargaining chip, I'm stating so so people know I'm at least somewhat commited to this game). This company, regretably, has actively gotten worse. In its mindset, in its focus, in its development, literally every way possible. There are a few gems that happen every now and then but they so coated in dirt that I don't know if it's even worth it.

Also: WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A CROCK OF SHIT. GANGPLANK ISN'T DEAD, YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO FLAT OUT REMOVE A CHAMPION FROM LEAGUE OF LEGENDS. That would be a poor decision in literally every single way possible. It would make lots of people angry and stop playing (I myself am not playing until he become enabled again), it would be a waste of time and resources. We know you're not going to remove him, this isn't lore, this isn't story, this is just inconveniencing player for LITERALLY NO REASON.

Another note: you people hire the worst artists. I've seen their actual person from some of the stuff you promote, they are trash people. I know you don't care because this is about business, but as a company that tries to be close to its community that kind of seems like a "fuck you" to certain people. Looking at their actual art, I don't know why you decided to make all the champion artwork as overlydetailed and complex as possible, less is more. You think this is a style? No it's just A LOT of shit to look at and it's hard to decipher at a glance until you play for a week and then just remember the color of the person you're looking at. The really old art actually had a style to it, the watercolorish type art.

I wouldn't care about half of these problems if Riot would just admit, right up front, that they don't care. I've seen them stop caring over the years, when old people left and new people joined I've seen a visible decline. You have a certain few Rioters who people REALLY hate, and I'm just guessing no one has posted their thoughts before. I do remember someone made a post about how they don't know about the part of the community that doesn't post on the forums, and that's completely valid. Perfectly understandable, but that's why I'm making this post (also to vent because this company makes me angry, frequently.)

I have a lot of negatives with this company and a few positives. Just for one, that little info tidbit saying how "the community overwhelming votes to punish homophobic behavior"? YEAH NO LOL. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people comment on Taric being gay or making gay jokes about him or just in general and no one said a thing. No Rioters, no players, nothing. That info tidbit is a flat out lie. Thinking a man is gay because he's flamboyant is homophobia, you're stereotyping him (also as a shock to a lot of the idiots out there, actual gay men look more like Graves and Gangplank and Udyr. Surprise binch :))

I'm going to stop now because I was just typing things down at the top of my head. I know people agree with my statements but I had to post it to see if it has any relevance of the forums. But keep in mind that whole "loud community vs quiet community" thing goes both ways. ((another side now about the same thing, a lot of people love the bilgewater announcer you should keep him and the map forever)

41 Comments

Laughing Fish8 votes

Seriously man? Rito just releases this amazing event, updates a bunch of champs, and makes a lot of new and cool skins, and you are going to just sit there being salty? What more must they do to please you?

Ganon Kong2 votes

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Seriously man? Rito just releases this amazing event, updates a bunch of champs, and makes a lot of new and cool skins, and you are going to just sit there being salty? What more must they do to please you?

I stated what they do to displease me. "Amazing event" is subjective. In my opinion it's stupid. "Cool skins" is subjective, and even then I bought most of those skins before this happened. and using "salty" as an insult. Cool. I see where you're from.

Laughing Fish5 votes

Well maybe this game isn't for you. If you are this angry about something the majority of fans are enjoying, perhaps you are not the target audience.

Ganon Kong2 votes

Remember that whole Loud community vs. quiet community thing? yeah. You're seeing just the loud part. And by a majority, are you honestly saying that you see literally the millions of players that play this game and their thoughts on what is going on? Are you actually that is that what you mean? Because that's what you're saying when you say that you know the majority of fans like it.

Edit: Also what are you talking about with "target audience". To my knowledge, Riot has never expressed an interest in a certain group of people, just anyone who can play their game.

Laughing Fish3 votes

Seeing as LoL is the largest game in the world, and Rito is racking in money by the billions, it would appear that enough people are enjoying their product.

Ganon Kong2 votes

So their target audience is the world. There are lots of organizations that make lots of money but are still criticized and have negative opinions towards them. I even said that I bought a lot of their stuff but am I still not allowed to criticize them? What can I do to be a part of the club were opinions matter.

Baseball3b4 votes

Criticism =/= blatant flaming and rage posts

Ganon Kong2 votes

You've got horrendous reading comprehension skills. Do I have to concede and say something I like to make it criticism? I like Nidalee she's really cool and well designed. Now do I get to say something I dislike?

Baseball3b4 votes

Ad hominem a good argument does not make.

Constructive criticism (adj.) :

criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions

I just fail to see the point of complaining for change when there's no room for discussion or feedback.

(Side note: I scored a 33 on the verbal section of a mock MCAT exam. Granted, it's not the real test yet, but I think it's safe to say my reading comp skills are fine.)

Ganon Kong2 votes

The reason why I said that is because you were constantly misunderstanding my point, you're not a bad person for not being able to understand text and I never said that. You are a bad person to me for misunderstanding it and then acting like you do.

How's this: I feel the current art design is not heading in a good direction and are forsaking a style you have, when you said you wanted to develop a style. I feel that you could go back to the old way of doing things and improve upon those instead of tossing it all out and starting new.

I also stated, in the original post, that the forums are for discussion. I wouldn't have posted this if I didn't want a discussion. I was even thinking of editing it to ask people to respond instead of just up/downvoting but I'm not sure if people want to read even more than what I put.

Good job on your test, but I feel that those results don't actually show up in reality.

Baseball3b2 votes

Apologies for misunderstanding your original post then. It came off (to me at least) more as just a rage post/rant as opposed to an actual discussion.

Ad hominem is unnecessary though. Would have been much more productive had you merely talked about your original intention like you did above.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

Thinking a man is gay because he's flamboyant is homophobia

No it isn't...that's simply stereotyping, which you said immediately afterward anyway.

WE ALL KNOW THIS IS A CROCK OF SHIT. GANGPLANK ISN'T DEAD, YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO FLAT OUT REMOVE A CHAMPION FROM LEAGUE OF LEGENDS

He is disabled because of a bug that allows allies to attack his barrels after they disconnected (though not destroying them, but allowing them to gain stacks of abilities for attacks). They just said "he's disabled because he's dead" because it's funny that it coincided with his lore.

Ganon Kong1 votes

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No it isn't...that's simply stereotyping, which you said immediately afterward anyway.

Stereotyping is homophobia, excuse me? Assuming a black person like fried chicken because they're black is racism, so assuming a flamboyant man likes men because he's flamboyant is homophobia. If you want me to homocism or w/e I will but it's the same shit.

He is disabled because of a bug that allows allies to attack his barrels after they disconnected (though not destroying them, but allowing them to gain stacks of abilities for attacks). They just said "he's disabled because he's dead" because it's funny that it coincided with his lore.

I believe I asked "why couldn't they just say he was bugged like normal". Thinking is this is funny is purely subjective.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

I don't think you know what a "phobia" is... Having an incorrect assumption of something doesn't mean you hate or are afraid of it.

Also, turns out they didn't disable him for the bug. Meddler cleared that up, but no mention of what their actual plans are.

Ganon Kong1 votes

Are you actually saying this to me? I'm homosexual myself and I know damn well that the term for stereotyping and having hatred towards homosexuals is called Homophobia. That has always been the term for it and I've been saying that it needs to change because people like you who are not aware of these things misinterpret and twist words to try to win an argument.

A phobia is an irrational fear of something. Homophobia is the term USED for "racism" against homosexual people, it always has been. Don't try to shut me down when you don't have the full picture to begin with.

Edit: Thanks for trying to attack my vocabulary which you perceive is wrong, and not my point. You knew what point I was getting at by saying "mean you hate or are afraid of it.", meaning you got the gist of what I was saying, but you didn't have an answer to it.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Having a stereotype of a homosexual doesn't make you homophobic..wtf is your problem?

Ganon Kong1 votes

Having a stereotype of a black man doesn't make me racist then.

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

Homophobia is fear of homosexuals. What you are describing is sexual orientation stereotyping and ignorance. Homophobia =/= racism.

Ganon Kong1 votes

Even though I just said that's term used for it, it's not an actual fear of homosexuals. Thanks for ignoring me. I EVEN SAID in a response I would use a different word, you know the sentiment I'm expressing either way if you actually read what I type.

GroundRuleDouble2 votes

I just wanted to make sure your vocabulary was correct so something like this doesn't happen again for you.

Ganon Kong1 votes

But it is the term used for hatred towards homosexual people but okay if I have to concede then fine even though I stated that I would use a different term because I want it changed and to help people understand better

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

No, it doesn't. Everyone has improper stereotypes of cultures they don't really know about. That doesn't make them racist.

Stop trying to make everybody homophobic and racist. You are not so much a victim as you're trying to be.

Ganon Kong1 votes

Oh, the victimization card. Here we go. Want a link to my tumblr URL?

Even getting rid of all this homoist homopboia racism talk, let's get back to the core issue because we obviously aren't on the same page.

"Our community and company votes to punish X behavior" [doesn't do it]

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

what you say: Riot doesn't punish people for racism and homophobia even though they say they do

what really happens: Real racism and homophobia is punished, but your definition encompasses basically everything including just mentioning it in a harmless joke and those aren't punished because that's stupid.

Ganon Kong1 votes

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Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Get over the victim complex and quit projecting your views of racism and homophobia on me. You're getting annoying. Don't talk to me again.

Ganon Kong1 votes

And now you don't have a legitimate response because I just countered your point with your own logic. You're getting annoying. Don't talk to me again.

Tesla Effect4 votes

[Facepalm]

GreenLore2 votes

You know...if the story hadn't been seperated from the gameplay,then they'd have to remove Gangplank entirely.

This way they simply give us a slight nod to the story by making him unavaliable for a few days(he probably would have been disabled anyway because there was a bug with his barrels and Draven)

Ganon Kong1 votes

You're completely misunderstanding my point, I don't want the story and the gameplay to be enmeshed. Riot made the decision to completely split the gameplay and the story from each other and they didn't hold to that. And like I asked, why couldn't they just have said "he's bugged".

Baseball3b2 votes

It's very difficult to take your post seriously when it's just blatant rage.

It's not perfect, of course, but the event, and the art is purely subjective. Their art team produces a ton of incredible things along with some stinkers (Fiora VU I'm looking at you). God forbid they cater only to you and never make mistakes.

As far as the whole GP thing, I thought it was funny. Either way he was disabled because of the bug, and their decision to kill him off for a day or two gave me a chuckle. It was a simple, snarky joke. You're telling me that out of the 120-something champions, you can't play somebody else for a short while until he gets fixed?

Yes, the community sucks at times and it could be better, especially with its toxicity and homophobia. At the same time though, you have to either just ignore it, or learn to laugh at it. As an aside, I'm deaf in real life, along with a speech impediment and I make fun of myself all the time. People who give me shit for it don't bother me and I actually find it funny.

tldr; lighten up -- Riot and league obviously aren't perfect but there's no need to rage this much.

Ganon Kong1 votes

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It's very difficult to take your post seriously when it's just blatant rage.

Thanks for assuming that, I guess?

It's not perfect, of course, but the event, and the art is purely subjective. Their art team produces a ton of incredible things along with some stinkers (Fiora VU I'm looking at you). God forbid they cater only to you and never make mistakes.

I do agree they make some wonderful pieces but on the whole the quality has drastically changed. The Fiora visual update doesn't look "bad" to me, I don't have a real opinion on it. I never said they had to cater only to me but again, thanks for assuming.

As far as the whole GP thing, I thought it was funny. Either way he was disabled because of the bug, and their decision to kill him off for a day or two gave me a chuckle. It was a simple, snarky joke. You're telling me that out of the 120-something champions, you can't play somebody else for a short while until he gets fixed?

I don't even main Gangplank. You're misunderstanding the issue behind it, Story controlling the Game. This isn't about me not being to play my favorite champion, it's the reason why. They've said recently that this is actually part of the event. People can't play him because of a whim. YOU may not have a problem with it, but other people do. That's one of the points I'm trying to make.

Yes, the community sucks at times and it could be better, especially with its toxicity and homophobia. At the same time though, you have to either just ignore it, or learn to laugh at it. As an aside, I'm deaf in real life, along with a speech impediment and I make fun of myself all the time. People who give me shit for it don't bother me and I actually find it funny.

I will ignore or call out people who are toxic or homophobic, depending on the situation. What I won't ignore is a company that prides its community on dealing with it and then neither the company nor the community actually care. That is a lie and people do not like being lied to. Going back to my point before this, just because YOU don't have a problem with it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

tldr; lighten up -- Riot and league obviously aren't perfect but there's no need to rage this much.

tl;dr I'm pointing out people's hypocrisy when they're not perfect but then act like they are.

Baseball3b1 votes

My whole point is that your post comes off as nothing more than a rant and doesn't offer any room for discussion, feedback or even constructive criticism.

If you're going to criticize the art team, it'd be better and more constructive to bring up individual pieces you aren't a fan of rather than generalizing everything as bad, which accomplishes nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from with the GP thing, but I think it's more a case of the vocal minority vs quiet majority. I look at it more as one of those fun easter eggs, though it is subjective.

Some stereotyping is racist, but not all racism is stereotyping. Racism, and in this case, homophobia is the hatred/fear of other races/homosexuality. Stereotyping is merely prejudice and stems from ignorance. No doubt there is a fair share of homophobic jokes and slurs, but joking that Taric is homosexual because he is flamboyant is merely a stereotype based on ignorance and the observation/generalization that all homosexual people are flamboyant. There is no hate whatsoever there. Regardless, toxicity/racism/homophobia isn't limited just to league and I think it's unfair to criticize Riot on this point when there's such an obvious societal issue. (Again, don't get me wrong, it could be a lot better.)

Ganon Kong1 votes

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My whole point is that your post comes off as nothing more than a rant and doesn't offer any room for discussion, feedback or even constructive criticism.

I see on how you would think that, but I must have worded it in such a way that made you feel like it wouldn't be about discussion (I did say the forums of the discussion, implying that's what I wanted).

If you're going to criticize the art team, it'd be better and more constructive to bring up individual pieces you aren't a fan of rather than generalizing everything as bad, which accomplishes nothing.

What if I hate it all?

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from with the GP thing, but I think it's more a case of the vocal minority vs quiet majority. I look at it more as one of those fun easter eggs, though it is subjective.

I see what you mean, one of the points of this was that minority/majority thing. It is subjective and I was stating my thoughts on it.

Some stereotyping is racist, but not all racism is stereotyping. Racism, and in this case, homophobia is the hatred/fear of other races/homosexuality. Stereotyping is merely prejudice and stems from ignorance. No doubt there is a fair share of homophobic jokes and slurs, but joking that Taric is homosexual because he is flamboyant is merely a stereotype based on ignorance and the observation/generalization that all homosexual people are flamboyant. There is no hate whatsoever there. Regardless, toxicity/racism/homophobia isn't limited just to league and I think it's unfair to criticize Riot on this point when there's such an obvious societal issue. (Again, don't get me wrong, it could be a lot better.)

That's where we come to an impasse. I get what you mean by there being no "hate" in it, but it's still a very offensive and hurtful view to some people. It's not unfair to say that that is a hate thing as in some way, at least how I see it, if you're making jokes at others' expense and the people around to or the company that has allowed that to go on (even when they said they don't), there is some form of hatred or "neglect" if that's the word I'm trying for.

Baseball3b1 votes

Yeah no I completely get it but like I said, I think it's unfair to pin the blame all on Riot when the problem is rooted in society. Obviously they need to do something about it and I think the best way to go about it is focusing on making the report system better and more functional. Like you said, some people may be okay with certain jokes, and others won't -- it's more of a case by case basis than anything.

Ganon Kong1 votes

My problem with Riot is that they advertise against it but I don't see them on the forums removing those comments or punishing people that make them.

They don't practice what they preach, is what you can say.

Shady M661 votes

The new voice is terrible, bring back the old one! The bilgewater announcer is annoying for our circle, sorry. :/

Ganon Kong1 votes

I don't know what you mean by "circle" but if you don't like then that's fine w/e, I wish they would just keep a toggle like for the music.

Shady M661 votes

Toggle would be a great idea actually, make everyone happy.

And "circle" as in circle of friends? Our friend circle? Group? Band of brethren? Bunch? Selection of friends? Assortment of acquaintances?

But seriously, the toggle thing is a great idea.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

Wait a minute... Why the hell this topic talks about homophobia? What kind of relation has the lore with that?

Ganon Kong1 votes

I said at the beginning it's MOSTLY about the lore and I didn't know where to put it. I said it was a rant that just kind of tumbled out as a typed.

Feel free to ignore the homophobia part and focus on the story thing, as that's the main point.

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