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Morgana Rework isn't Finished Visually

Ellirra··61 votes·18,571 views

I know that this looks like a rant post, and maybe it is. But I love Morgana and the more I look at the pre-release of her skins the more things I notice that have been left out, are incomplete or were deleted entirely. So here are my thoughts.Morgana

-Her dress is literally the same base dress in every skin. I know that before most were the same but a couple, particularly Bewitching have really lost out as the skirt was different previously and much nicer -They took out detailing on the skirt in every skin so it's plain or made the details so small and dark they practically don't exist. This is major in some cases like Bewitching -There are no passive animations anymore on skins. ie. bats flying, leaves falling, blackish dots, sparkles (Bewitching, Blackthorn, Ghost Bride, Victorious) -The chained wings on her butt (still confused why they're on her butt) look like a tail because they're not textured like wings and blend together to look long and fluffy like a tail -She's super anime at the end of her back and in a couple more moments especially with her mouth which looks off because the mouth gets so big -Her mouth at moments is big and angry clenched while she's supposed to be talking, which isn't possible if talking -There are some weirdly bright colours that don't belong, especially in hair (ie. Ghost Bride random bright dark blue hair behind the bangs, Bewitching hair, Victorious light bright purple) -Her shield is smaller than every character model except yordles and doesn't stretch like most shields do -Exiled Morgana's wings went from bloody to just naturally orange tinted -Blackthorn Morgana lost her unique death and her leaf wing texture completely -Ghost Bride lost her veil

I know it's picky but these things matter. What are your thoughts?Morgana

81 Comments

Sukishoo24 votes

Ghost Bride lost her veil

That's not all she lost. She had kind of gravestone looking wings that attached to her from chains, and I miss that look.

Jaspers7 votes

And the lack of recall scream, it kinda stops mid way through.

lmnwlzla10 votes

i really wish they kept the poof dress in bewitching morgana skin its the reason why i bought this skin cause the dress is very different than the rest of her other skins but sad enough they removed this poof in the rework and i really wish they would bring it back

Pyrop338 votes

I totally agree, the veil on ghost bride as well. Ive seen so many comments in regards to the lack of poof. Poor Bewitching Morgana.

Pyrop3310 votes

I'm really happy this forum was posted. And in saying this, I mean no disrespect to the artist's behind Morgana, I just worry she's being ignored in favor of the updates and detailing Kayle received. I'm hoping she gets the same treatment throughout the next two weeks. ive heard thus far they're adding the leaves back to her E and a death animation for Blackthorn but nothing else.

Ellirra3 votes

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I'm really happy this forum was posted. And in saying this, I mean no disrespect to the artist's behind Morgana, I just worry she's being ignored in favor of the updates and detailing Kayle received. I'm hoping she gets the same treatment throughout the next two weeks. ive heard thus far they're adding the leaves back to her E and a death animation for Blackthorn but nothing else.

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who is happy when things like these are posted :) And though that's something that's not very much. Especially when she lost so much from that skin (ie. wings made of leaves, passive leaves falling around her, etc)

Pyrop3310 votes

I mained her quite heavily over the past few months so it's a shame to see her be treated this way. I was excited to own her Bewitching and Ghost Bride skins but now.. I'm not quite sure. No I totally agree. Here's the designs someone made for Ghost Bride and Mine for Bewitching. I'm trying to see what other Morgana mains/players want to see from her and perhaps we can make Riot see we love our girl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz8mPpvW0AIi5vl.jpg:large

https://i.imgur.com/3cLOFuHl.gif

Ellirra5 votes

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I mained her quite heavily over the past few months so it's a shame to see her be treated this way. I was excited to own her Bewitching and Ghost Bride skins but now.. I'm not quite sure. No I totally agree. Here's the designs someone made for Ghost Bride and Mine for Bewitching. I'm trying to see what other Morgana mains/players want to see from her and perhaps we can make Riot see we love our girl.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz8mPpvW0AIi5vl.jpg:large

https://i.imgur.com/3cLOFuHl.gif

Although minor edits I think they look much better with them. The poof is necessary and making the trailing wings on Bewitching similarly coloured makes a huge difference! The veil and white wings look super cool and better on Ghost Bride.

Pyrop333 votes

Im glad you think so, I think the person who made the Ghost Bride edit is from another server but it's fantastic even if it's minor, it fixes the issues I had color wise and how the wings blended. Thank you so much, I felt like it wasn't too much poof on her and.. like being more true to the vision they have for new Morgana, it just.. looks weird hanging loosely at her sides?

Ellirra3 votes

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Im glad you think so, I think the person who made the Ghost Bride edit is from another server but it's fantastic even if it's minor, it fixes the issues I had color wise and how the wings blended. Thank you so much, I felt like it wasn't too much poof on her and.. like being more true to the vision they have for new Morgana, it just.. looks weird hanging loosely at her sides?

I think the reason they took the poof out was because they used the same base skirt for every skin and applied colours and patterns on top. So even though before she had an unique skirt, they didn't bother changing it, probably because it's a 975 skin :/

Pyrop335 votes

Thats exactly what bothers me, it was designed to be distinct now the dress is nothing but a texture.. Look at kayle's armor in comparison though, it seems a lot more detailing and time went into that, just saying. >> That's why im hoping they can take the time they need for Morgana too.

Savvyal6 votes

I hate how all of the dresses and really thin and cling to her body, I miss the big fluffy dresses she used to have. The bewitching skin in particular is really disappointing because I feel like a big round dress fits the witch theme better.

Pyrop336 votes

^ exactly this. I saw so many twitter posts and things about it, not a single comment from the design team on this though.

Somber Rites5 votes

Visually, the Angel twins have been kind of shafted, I think.

Kayle seems to have similar problems. Lack of polish, and vfx lack any real punch or pop.

GreenKnight4 votes

Why did they get rid of all those minor details? What could possibly be the reason for that?

Ellirra2 votes

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Why did they get rid of all those minor details? What could possibly be the reason for that?

I don't know and I'm hoping that some details like the passive animations will be back for release. I'm trying to put this out there in hopes someone on the team sees it and addresses these or at lease some of them

Sukishoo4 votes

Yeah, Im hoping they can address more of these things, since hey did listen to the feedback on Exiled Morg and will be changing the effects to match the theme

Ellirra2 votes

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Yeah, Im hoping they can address more of these things, since hey did listen to the feedback on Exiled Morg and will be changing the effects to match the theme

I've seen similar comments across the Skin Spotlights so I'm hoping they'll listen and take some things into account and make the changes

Pyrop334 votes

I hope so too, I've seen many comments about the wings on Ghost Bride and the lack of poof in Bewitching.

BunNivida Coda4 votes

Theres a lot of inconsistencies and things I also dont like about it: Her shackled wings in ghost bride dont even match the other wings. I hate how the wings look like a tail and the fact that they changed how the Q looks but not the icon. And another thing: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/92XAmlxN-morganas-wings

Oleandervine4 votes

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-Her dress is literally the same base dress in every skin. I know that before most were the same but a couple, particularly Bewitching have really lost out as the skirt was different previously and much nicer -They took out detailing on the skirt in every skin so it's plain or made the details so small and dark they practically don't exist. This is major in some cases like Bewitching

This is a model thing, and not something that can or will be altered. The dress is the shame shape more or less in all of her skins because her dress now is involved in a helluva lot more of her animations, such as her Q cast when she spins, her W when she drops low, and her R when she spins and flies. The dress HAS to remain the same because the animation points are tied heavily to her movements, so if they made it poofy altered it's shape in any way, it'd look really stretched or it would have too much potential to clip her model or just otherwise do weird things. This is not something we should be upset about - her dress and the animations that use it are REALLY GOOD and much improved over what they used to be - so it's something we need to get used to. I understand your points, but I'm willing to sacrifice the poofiness of her dress in lieu of the amazing way it's been animated now.

On that note, the detailing on her dresses is plain and small BECAUSE of the new animations. When you stretch a virtual object, such as when a fabric shifts in shape as often as her dress, details and textures on that dress will stretch out with the dress model and warp and look really weird. They went the simple route here to avoid that kind of visual pothole, so that there are super simple textures that won't show warping really badly when her dress is in motion.

Ellirra3 votes

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This is a model thing, and not something that can or will be altered. The dress is the shame shape more or less in all of her skins because her dress now is involved in a helluva lot more of her animations, such as her Q cast when she spins, her W when she drops low, and her R when she spins and flies. The dress HAS to remain the same because the animation points are tied heavily to her movements, so if they made it poofy altered it's shape in any way, it'd look really stretched or it would have too much potential to clip her model or just otherwise do weird things. This is not something we should be upset about - her dress and the animations that use it are REALLY GOOD and much improved over what they used to be - so it's something we need to get used to. I understand your points, but I'm willing to sacrifice the poofiness of her dress in lieu of the amazing way it's been animated now.

On that note, the detailing on her dresses is plain and small BECAUSE of the new animations. When you stretch a virtual object, such as when a fabric shifts in shape as often as her dress, details and textures on that dress will stretch out with the dress model and warp and look really weird. They went the simple route here to avoid that kind of visual pothole, so that there are super simple textures that won't show warping really badly when her dress is in motion.

I hear what you're saying and I really appreciate that input.

I'm worried that any skin for Morgana will basically just be the same as the others due to them not changing the dress skirt. When you look at the other champs and skins many change their clothes in shape and size and texture and everything. They're not willing to put that effort in for a rework now, where they've had much time before even announcing it. It's an issue that could become bigger. She has a bunch of skins that are recoloured skirts with a couple extra bits added.

As for the details and textures, I get they change as they move but they can't just say screw it, we are going with a solid colour skirt that changes because details can be a pain. Her skirts were beautifully detailed before and now they are lacking.

TricolorStar4 votes

These are all valid complaints aside from the mouth part:

Most Champions don't lip sync, or even have facial expressions. Because of the top-down perspective of the game, minute details like that would be lost in the action so it's not worth making them. It's inferred that the champion is speaking through body language (if its a taunt or something) or by them just talking since we as players already know that a champion is speaking regardless of mouth movement.

The only champ that moves her mouth when she speaks is Poppy. Champs with big heads or extremely expressive faces change expressions but do not lipsync. Even Zoe, who has a huge head, doesn't actually lipsync when she talks.

Ravenborn4 votes

Honestly, I am pretty sure she's gonna be shipped like this and be done with it... really disappointed with how Blackthorn ended up looking though, the W on it is horrendous, most of it is just a recolor of the original with a few leaves and woods thrown on it.

Pyrop334 votes

Sadly.. I really agree with you. Theyve been quiet about Morgana, despite changing things about Kayle, I have a shred of hope. But it's kinda less realistic to think they'll change the way her dresses sit or the spell effects.

Faë3 votes

I'm on the same page :( Idk if it is due to releasing 2 reworks at the same time so the little sis is "shadowed" by the real reworked bigger sis. Same thing with the ability icon. The Q and E look different now so I really hope they can update those icons like they did to the ultimate icon. It can't be too much work can it? :(

Pyrop336 votes

No I feel far more work went into Kayle. It's very.. odd. I just hope she gets love too so both sisters can shine equally.

Faë3 votes

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No I feel far more work went into Kayle. It's very.. odd. I just hope she gets love too so both sisters can shine equally.

Exactly what I think... They have to focus on one given the time limit so they chose Kayle as she is the full rework. I feel if Morg doesn't require a big change in game play at least she can get more focus visual update.

Pyrop334 votes

No i completely get why as Kayle was the entire rework but... I really hope they can address some of these changes. I hope they dont stress the team out but I feel they are necessary to tie Morgana off and make her on par with the detailing her prior skins had. Her old model may have been static but her detailing was some of the best if I will say for an old champion. Ghost bride was one of the best in game.

Ellirra1 votes

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I'm on the same page :( Idk if it is due to releasing 2 reworks at the same time so the little sis is "shadowed" by the real reworked bigger sis. Same thing with the ability icon. The Q and E look different now so I really hope they can update those icons like they did to the ultimate icon. It can't be too much work can it? :(

I think if they were to address all these issues they'd definitely have to push the rework date a couple weeks, however it would definitely be worth it

Faë3 votes

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I think if they were to address all these issues they'd definitely have to push the rework date a couple weeks, however it would definitely be worth it I haven't been tracking but Sylas has just come out so they should not rush the sis's rework. Just my opinion I'd rather wait

Camille Ferrøs3 votes

It took me days to realize that the thingy that is behind her is pair of wings. That looks like a fluffy tail.

ODiiiiiN3 votes

Lets add the fact that she looks like she has a tail in half of her skins now, especially Bewitching.

Rissym3 votes

https://imgur.com/a/r46SRzd :( I still think it's just the skirt

Pyrop333 votes

No i see what you mean if the skirt was wider the wings would blend better.

Rissym3 votes

It's just a perspective, I feel riot is being lazy, Morgana now looks like Evelyn with a new tail, I feel she lost her essence

Ben O Nights3 votes

I think the bright blue color on ghostbride comes from the roses she has in her hair. I quite like it but i simply like radiant blue roses so i might be biased. Everything else though, spot on. Most of it, i think, can be tweaked with brighter/darker colors and som texturework. Like Bewitching morganas dress. In my opinion it just needs better pronounced details. As do the chained wings, so they actually look like wings and not a tail.

14daysuspensionk2 votes

It's no coincidence that just like SG Soraka, Morgana also has butt wings, is it? I don't understand this fetish of Riot putting butt wings on their characters, it just isn't an interesting design to me. Infact when I see something like a pair of wings put so far back on a quadrupedal animal that it looks like the wings are right above the butt, I can't help but want to change it. They should be closer to the shoulders.

Ellirra1 votes

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It's no coincidence that just like SG Soraka, Morgana also has butt wings, is it? I don't understand this fetish of Riot putting butt wings on their characters, it just isn't an interesting design to me. Infact when I see something like a pair of wings put so far back on a quadrupedal animal that it looks like the wings are right above the butt, I can't help but want to change it. They should be closer to the shoulders.

Star Guardian Soraka is one of my fav skins in the game but the wings on her hips/butt confuse me so much. Can you imagine flying with those? You're either hunched over with your butt in the air or you're super straining your back to stay upright while you fly. [sg-soraka] [sg-miss-fortune]

14daysuspensionk2 votes

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Star Guardian Soraka is one of my fav skins in the game but the wings on her hips/butt confuse me so much. Can you imagine flying with those? You're either hunched over with your butt in the air or you're super straining your back to stay upright while you fly. [sg-soraka] [sg-miss-fortune]

Imagine if all living winged animals actually evolved to have this.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

This isn't a Riot thing and is more common than you're making it out to be.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Morrigan%28Darkstalkers%29.png

Further, a human would need wings of about 80 or so feet to be able to fly because of how heavy we are.

Pyrop333 votes

i think the issue is more of the third set hanging on the ground than the middle set.

Emo Twink2 votes

She didn't get new ability icons that looked nice, or a new ghost bride splash (which was the one thing I was looking forward to). Plus blackthorn has a disappointing recall where she just leaps through the tree because its her base recall at the end.

Faë3 votes

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She didn't get new ability icons that looked nice, or a new ghost bride splash (which was the one thing I was looking forward to). Plus blackthorn has a disappointing recall where she just leaps through the tree because its her base recall at the end.

200% agree.. honestly I would just be fine with new ability icons at this point and stick to the classic skin which is what I think the best one now.. since updating all her skins seem like a big project

Kalaria1 votes

I agree completely, also really disappointed that exiled morgana does not have red effects, they specifically changed that when it was released because they agreed it matched and looked so much better with red, and I bought that skin when it came out too =[

Pyrop333 votes

They are changing her effects! I follow the effect editor on twitter. They're doing that apparently adding some more effects to blackthorn? As well as making her shield bigger. No word on the dresses though. ;m;

Shywolf1 votes

BY THE WAY, morg still has her veil in the Ghost Bride Skin

Pyrop331 votes

Where's the veil?

Pyrop332 votes

I mean i guess it's there kinda?

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