Poppy Visual Update

Pomle · 2015-07-16T02:02:41.412Z

I'm gonna start this discussion by saying that not a lot of people play Poppy. Now that may sound a bit untrue to some people who main her, are high enough rank that they don't really notice, or they see a lot of players who see her potential and use her, however to someone who recently got to silver this is very obvious. Especially in Normal non-ranked games Poppy is rarely played if ever. I think that one of the main things about this is her character design. I mean just look at it . A lot of newer players don't buy champions based off of their kit but off of their visual appearance. For someone like Jinx, Echo, and the like this is easy, but for someone like Poppy who hasn't had a visual update in months or years, almost no new people buy her, even if she's only 450ip. As you may well know most people main one of the first champions that they buy when they're below level 10. This makes it hard for many people to be introduced to Poppy. I'm not saying this just for people who might want to play her, I'm also saying it for people who might have to go against Poppy that would never want to try her kit. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying that they can't deal with facing champs you don't know. What i'm saying is that it would be a lot easier if you already knew what to do beforehand. This is why I am suggesting to Riot to give Poppy a visual update to allow newer players to see her potential. Please consider doing this update as I think it would help a lot

DwarvenGiantJul 18, 20152 votes

I can't wait for the Poppy update (and the many other upcoming 'overhauls'- Poppy, Urgot and Taric have all been my mains at some point!). :D

I'm quite curious about something else though- Is Shen getting any moderate visual changes (in a scale of more than say, Singed's update?), along with his gameplay update? Or are you not ready to announce that yet?

Also, can you reveal whether or not there are other yordles that are not Poppy in the ChampUp pipeline? You don't have to mention who, what or obviously, when, but I'm just curious.

Are there any champion updates in the makings that are only VUs that aren't bundled with gameplay updates?

And one last question, what do you think about Nunu, in terms of a champion update? :)

ShénzhìJul 19, 20151 votes

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I'm quite curious about something else though- Is Shen getting any moderate visual changes (in a scale of more than say, Singed's update?), along with his gameplay update? Or are you not ready to announce that yet?

This.

He's an old clock that either needs some oiling or fashioning. Also one of his emotes likes to nudge his shoulderpads up, strangely, and that's been there since forever.

RiotIronStylusJul 19, 20155 votes

There is a kit change in the works for Shen, with that comes our investigation as to how much visual changes (model, animation, VFX, etc) have to go towards facilitating the gameplay overhaul. We always ask the question about scope. How much scope does this need, and how much do we want it to have? We currently are exploring ideas for a new base design for Shen, but this for the moment remains an exploration. It might be beyond scope lets say to redesign his base. But, if we deem it a substantial opportunity, or something that really needs more art resources to make the new mechanics work, then we'll scope the project up.

KoboldJul 19, 20153 votes

First GP gets updated and feels fantastic to play on PBE now Shen is getting looked at, Man as long as Shen's rework feels as good as GP's does I feel that it will turn out great. I feel that Shen does need a Base visual update as right now he is suffering from a similar problem as GP where he looks like a stereotypical Ninja (Pirate for GP) and needs his own style.

NVDaxJul 19, 20151 votes

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Well, so good news and bad news:

Good news: Poppy will get a visual update. She's in the same camp as Sion, Taric, Urgot, etc which will recieve complete overhauls which will not only increase fidelity and introduce a newer and cleaner design, but also will aid in clarify and mechanical expression. We did a lot exploration on Poppy and are happy with what we've got. She's currently in the art production pipeline as her kit has been locked for some time. Now it's a matter of time and the technical work of getting that new character to live in game.

"Bad" news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the "feeling" of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I'e played her, and she's really, really fun. I think players old and new will find a home with her. I think that's what's going to bring her into a place where she'll be loved by passionate players but also new players alike.

So shipping the visual update probably isn't going to turn people onto existing, present-day Poppy as much as it will excite people to try what is fundamentally a brand new character which takes what we love about Poppy, amplifies it, and makes her more cohesive. Our goal on ChampUP is to excite enthusiasts, to get at what the real and visceral emotional attachments that bind them to a character and hone them, making that feeling more clear, maybe even stronger. Often that means pretty substantial change, for multiple reasons. Unique identity, clear role and play pattern, character/kit/art cohesion, among other things. A sub-goal is to bring that character up so at the very least new players are aware of the character and can approach it comfortably. To bring that champion back into some rotation even if it's with a smaller but dedicated slice of players.

The team is very excited about Poppy. I'm happy to have been part of her development and can't wait for people to get a hold of this take on her. Though things change, the spirit is there I feel.

Looking forward to it Stylus! I really am, last on the real list of people I want to see revamped. Gangplank being the second to last before you guys updated him.

oMdwoJul 19, 20151 votes

Poppy, Taric, and Urgot. Sounds good, wait, feels like somethings missing,,, Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick Yorick

DwarvenGiantJul 19, 20151 votes

He, too, has a big overhaul in progress, but it's probably the earliest in stages of all the overhauls mentioned (Urgot has been toyed with, or so we've heard, gameplay-wise for a while now, Taric's gameplay update is mostly complete and is now standing in queue for new visuals, and Poppy is in her production phase, as IronStylus mentioned).

exe3Jul 19, 20151 votes

Excite! Excited to hear that her kit has been finalized and I assume that by her being in production that you've sorted her visuals conceptually and lore which means you're just modelling/animating to get her in game am I right? Hopefully only a few months for that (probably more due to all dem skins). :D

Pretty excited, I mained her back in season 2 but when I realized I was winning not because I was good but because she was just so stupidly overpowered (8 seconds invulnerability, seriously?) I couldn't get any enjoyment out of her anymore (also I miss triple philo-stone XD). I know E is staying but I hope Q largely remains the same as the hammer to the head followup to the battle-tackle is soooo satisfying. Something that Vayne lacks which is why I didn't enjoy her wall stun.

TyberAceJul 19, 20151 votes

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Well, so good news and bad news:

Good news: Poppy will get a visual update. She's in the same camp as Sion, Taric, Urgot, etc which will recieve complete overhauls which will not only increase fidelity and introduce a newer and cleaner design, but also will aid in clarify and mechanical expression. We did a lot exploration on Poppy and are happy with what we've got. She's currently in the art production pipeline as her kit has been locked for some time. Now it's a matter of time and the technical work of getting that new character to live in game.

"Bad" news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the "feeling" of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I'e played her, and she's really, really fun. I think players old and new will find a home with her. I think that's what's going to bring her into a place where she'll be loved by passionate players but also new players alike.

So shipping the visual update probably isn't going to turn people onto existing, present-day Poppy as much as it will excite people to try what is fundamentally a brand new character which takes what we love about Poppy, amplifies it, and makes her more cohesive. Our goal on ChampUP is to excite enthusiasts, to get at what the real and visceral emotional attachments that bind them to a character and hone them, making that feeling more clear, maybe even stronger. Often that means pretty substantial change, for multiple reasons. Unique identity, clear role and play pattern, character/kit/art cohesion, among other things. A sub-goal is to bring that character up so at the very least new players are aware of the character and can approach it comfortably. To bring that champion back into some rotation even if it's with a smaller but dedicated slice of players.

The team is very excited about Poppy. I'm happy to have been part of her development and can't wait for people to get a hold of this take on her. Though things change, the spirit is there I feel.

While Meddler made me sad, you have given me all the hope! I love you Iron! I'm so excited! And I'm so happy you were on this project!

KrizalidJul 19, 20151 votes

...Something's telling me that Poppy's new ult will make her go full-Hulk.

patmax17Jul 19, 20151 votes

I know some people who used to love pre-rework Sion, and what disappointed them most was the shift in role: pre-rework sion was a carry (AP or AD), then he became a tank. Not that he's weak, he's actually a good tank at the moment, he just isn't a carry animore.

Are you shifting Poppy's role in a similar way? I know many people who play her as a glasscannon carry, relying on passive and ult to survive. I know you are not keeping her passive and ult, what role will the reworked Poppy be?

Brownie LocoJul 20, 20151 votes

can you hint where the abilities are taking her? is she a tank jungler / top ? assasin?.. ?

ZixcikJul 20, 20151 votes

Man before Sion, if I heard this, I would have been really really scared of what's gonna happen to Poppy because I'm fairly attached to her kit. However, after seeing the absolutely beautiful work that was done with Sion's kit I'm kinda excited to see what happens.

ShénzhìJul 21, 20153 votes

new Sion is amaze

8th EspadaJul 21, 20151 votes

Does updating or reworking a champion influence their IP worth?

ZixcikJul 22, 20151 votes

No, it's ip worth will not change, nor will it affect the rp worth of their skins.

The only time a champion's ip cost changes is when a new champion is released then a series of champions will decrease in ip by a set amount depending on their tier

No Fun PoliceJul 21, 20151 votes

{quoted} "Bad" news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the "feeling" of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I'e played her, and she's really, really fun.

I wonder which "feeling" are you keeping. As long as it's "unkillable armored nightmare", I'm OK with all possible changes - her nuke resistance and ult are most iconic parts of her kit and I really hope they'll stay without change.

ShénzhìJul 21, 20151 votes

Yea I was thinking about how rage and adrenaline allows a person to mitigate pain. In Poppy's case she'd probably have a rage-gene like Gnar though not as potent as Gnar.

Her passive Valiant Fighter (if not changed or renamed) would have Poppy enrage similar to Gnar's visual representation prior to becoming Mega Gnar.
Since she's small and somehow releases tons of damage, how exactly is she doing that? Her weapons must be upgraded with rocketry! Additionally, the raging Poppy idea would have her rocket-weapon explode on hit.

Explosions. Rage. Poppy. When Poppy pops... you goin' die.

AlexeiJul 22, 20151 votes

Shortly after Poppy's rework was announced, IronStylus said that two things that were definitely not going to make it to the next iteration of Poppy were her ult and her passive.

Yagura the 4thAug 12, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Well, so good news and bad news:

Good news: Poppy will get a visual update. She's in the same camp as Sion, Taric, Urgot, etc which will recieve complete overhauls which will not only increase fidelity and introduce a newer and cleaner design, but also will aid in clarify and mechanical expression. We did a lot exploration on Poppy and are happy with what we've got. She's currently in the art production pipeline as her kit has been locked for some time. Now it's a matter of time and the technical work of getting that new character to live in game.

"Bad" news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the "feeling" of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I'e played her, and she's really, really fun. I think players old and new will find a home with her. I think that's what's going to bring her into a place where she'll be loved by passionate players but also new players alike.

So shipping the visual update probably isn't going to turn people onto existing, present-day Poppy as much as it will excite people to try what is fundamentally a brand new character which takes what we love about Poppy, amplifies it, and makes her more cohesive. Our goal on ChampUP is to excite enthusiasts, to get at what the real and visceral emotional attachments that bind them to a character and hone them, making that feeling more clear, maybe even stronger. Often that means pretty substantial change, for multiple reasons. Unique identity, clear role and play pattern, character/kit/art cohesion, among other things. A sub-goal is to bring that character up so at the very least new players are aware of the character and can approach it comfortably. To bring that champion back into some rotation even if it's with a smaller but dedicated slice of players.

The team is very excited about Poppy. I'm happy to have been part of her development and can't wait for people to get a hold of this take on her. Though things change, the spirit is there I feel.

May I ask where on the Art Production pipeline she is?

Markus VakarianSep 8, 20151 votes

Complete kit and not only new passive W and R? Please don't tell me she has a brand new Q too. She IS "charge and big boom with hammer"

VenowolfSep 8, 20151 votes

I can´t wait to see her in the Rift.

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