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A few questions about Vayne the Night Hunter

DreamerR··4 votes·1,035 views

Hello guys,

As you can tell from my Summoner name, Vayne is my most favourite champion and I love drawing fanart and short comics, making up cool little stories with her. I was very excited and hyped for the Demacia event and I absolutely loved everything in the lore and color story update that Vayne received. However, when the Demacia QnA took place I felt it would be impossible for my asks to get noticed. So, now I made this Discussion in order to ask and see if I can learn a few more things about her.

  1. Would Vayne participate in helping during Harrowing?
  2. I know she might be an individualist but would Vayne ever consider an alliance with people like Lucian, Shen, Tryndamere, Kassadin. People who hunt monsters like her.
  3. What would the people (that I listed above) think of Vayne?
  4. Does she take trophies with her?
  5. In both Vayne's lore and story, both monster ladies are described as unbelievably beautiful. Why is noting their beauty so important? Does is mean that Vayne finds attraction to them even though, killing them is greater pleasure? Some guys also asked her hand but, she was indifferent. Does she find both sexes attractive? (whether she does or not doesn't matter in the end because she is monster-slaying-mage-killsexual but I found it interesting and still want to know)
  6. Are the bats her bat-children? (crazy bat-lady... oh wait that sounds like an April Fools skin)
  7. Do you think that Vayne can be saved? It seems to me as if the path she is taking is leading her to a bad and tragic ending
  8. Will we get to see her in more stories in the future?
  9. What does 'I smell black magics' really mean? Was she trained to smell magic? Is she able to see things beyond what common people can see? I assume that for a person who meddles with the dark or with magic would get to that point. (I think)
  10. It's obvious Vayne loves having fun, making reckless decisions because she is a fight junkie but, imagine if she got serious. That idea makes me hyped. What if on one hunt she realises her enemy is pretty strong and has to tryhard? How strong is Vayne exactly? Where would you put her in terms of lethal human champions terms? Would you put her next to someone like Darius for example?

Well, I think ten questions should be enough. :D I will be glad to discuss with everyone about what they think about Vayne and if they feel there are more questions to answer about her. Thank you very much for your time! 8)

Vayne

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ForgottenLuck6 votes

OK I am not Sharjo so I can't say I am an expert but I am a fan of the lore and would like to give you my thoughts on these matters.

  1. Vayne would most likely participate in the Harrowing trying to kill as many as possible, she would probably shiver in joy at the possibility of it (depends on how deep her sadistic side is), yet I also feel like she prefers the hunting and tracking of them rather than straight out combat.

  2. This question would depend more on the lore and how it shapes up to be at the moment but for right now I feel like she is a truly only works Solo and would not want to join with others, especially those that also use magic (Shen, Kassadin) as how she hates it so much she killed her teacher. As for Lucian and Tryndamere, I think they are a bit nobler than her and might view her tactics a bit... much. Though I don't mean to insult Vayne in any way her methods do seem a bit extream.

  3. I think they might question her in many ways and might think of her as crazy, the closest parallel I can think of is how everyone in Marvel comics treats The Punisher, as a nutjob yet extremely skilled.

  4. I would not be surprised if she did but would think they would be little things, a memento more than a trophy.

  5. I would say she is more focused like a hunter, a hunter watches their kill with beauty and wonder, appreciating their kill, (though in a personal note I also did find it a bit interesting and kinda like to imagine she is a lesbian, at the moment head-cannon only)

  6. I find it's just pure aesthetics.

  7. At the moment... No, but I don't really want to see her go down a path of ruination like many others, I find if she finds someone that has lost like her like let's say Lucian then maybe there's a chance, but killing your teacher/mother figure is a big jump to make that is hard to come from.

  8. I am always eager to read more of the LORE and hers can be a bit interesting.

  9. I think it's just a detective saying like you know " I smell foul play", she was originally based on Batman, though I am pretty sure they changed her to be more like The Punisher

  10. There once was a post catering to the actual strength of every character we have so far, I would recommend you search it since it is quite insightful and interesting read if I find it I will edit it in a link EDIT: Found the link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/h5YM39JK-the-strongest-and-weakest-champions-in-the-lore You can find Vayne in the G-list.

DreamerR1 votes

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OK I am not Sharjo so I can't say I am an expert but I am a fan of the lore and would like to give you my thoughts on these matters.

  1. Vayne would most likely participate in the Harrowing trying to kill as many as possible, she would probably shiver in joy at the possibility of it (depends on how deep her sadistic side is), yet I also feel like she prefers the hunting and tracking of them rather than straight out combat.

  2. This question would depend more on the lore and how it shapes up to be at the moment but for right now I feel like she is a truly only works Solo and would not want to join with others, especially those that also use magic (Shen, Kassadin) as how she hates it so much she killed her teacher. As for Lucian and Tryndamere, I think they are a bit nobler than her and might view her tactics a bit... much. Though I don't mean to insult Vayne in any way her methods do seem a bit extream.

  3. I think they might question her in many ways and might think of her as crazy, the closest parallel I can think of is how everyone in Marvel comics treats The Punisher, as a nutjob yet extremely skilled.

  4. I would not be surprised if she did but would think they would be little things, a memento more than a trophy.

  5. I would say she is more focused like a hunter, a hunter watches their kill with beauty and wonder, appreciating their kill, (though in a personal note I also did find it a bit interesting and kinda like to imagine she is a lesbian, at the moment head-cannon only)

  6. I find it's just pure aesthetics.

  7. At the moment... No, but I don't really want to see her go down a path of ruination like many others, I find if she finds someone that has lost like her like let's say Lucian then maybe there's a chance, but killing your teacher/mother figure is a big jump to make that is hard to come from.

  8. I am always eager to read more of the LORE and hers can be a bit interesting.

  9. I think it's just a detective saying like you know " I smell foul play", she was originally based on Batman, though I am pretty sure they changed her to be more like The Punisher

  10. There once was a post catering to the actual strength of every character we have so far, I would recommend you search it since it is quite insightful and interesting read if I find it I will edit it in a link EDIT: Found the link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/h5YM39JK-the-strongest-and-weakest-champions-in-the-lore You can find Vayne in the G-list.

I can see what you mean :O However I believe that Vayne doesn't hate magic in general. She hates those of the occult, those who use forbidden magic. I think she'd still be very wary and suspicious of mages like Lux or Taliyah. I think that she'd be fine with mages who shield heal and cure with their magic. I can imagine what kind of big hype she would be if all shield-heal related champions focused all their magic on her while she goes all in. (wait that didn't sound quite right) Also I think Shen doesn't use magic but rather technique, similar to how Yasuo has his wind, Zed has the shadows, etc. Another thing I personally believe is that Vayne might enjoy/respect people who think like her? As in she'd probably be high as fuck if she met let's say Olaf. :P Them Freljordians like to kill stuff and yell at the sun while at it, it must sound like fun for her.

Krabohod1 votes

The thing is that Vayne hates black magic so much she wouldn't believe in good magic whatsoever. She would kill the user just so they would never can use it in evil way.

Shen is using magic. Spiritual magic to be specific.

Also, I think she just not care for others, who thinks that way.

DreamerR1 votes

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The thing is that Vayne hates black magic so much she wouldn't believe in good magic whatsoever. She would kill the user just so they would never can use it in evil way.

Shen is using magic. Spiritual magic to be specific.

Also, I think she just not care for others, who thinks that way.

I think that Vayne isn't that extra. She hates those who practise the dark arts, the people and creatures she hunts are big threat cases. Her hatred is towards the occult, there is no reason to hate all mages but I am sure she wouldn't trust them. There is no reason to go after Taliyah or Lux for example. They don't oppose threats, but there is a possibility they get corrupted by their magic just how we were shown in the Demacia story with Garen and Lux. So, she would keep her distance and find it suspicious and untrustworthy, but her attention falls to other people like Evelynn (please rito make her be the demon who slew Vayne's parents), Sion, Ahri, Vlad, etc. :p

DreamerR1 votes

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OK I am not Sharjo so I can't say I am an expert but I am a fan of the lore and would like to give you my thoughts on these matters.

  1. Vayne would most likely participate in the Harrowing trying to kill as many as possible, she would probably shiver in joy at the possibility of it (depends on how deep her sadistic side is), yet I also feel like she prefers the hunting and tracking of them rather than straight out combat.

  2. This question would depend more on the lore and how it shapes up to be at the moment but for right now I feel like she is a truly only works Solo and would not want to join with others, especially those that also use magic (Shen, Kassadin) as how she hates it so much she killed her teacher. As for Lucian and Tryndamere, I think they are a bit nobler than her and might view her tactics a bit... much. Though I don't mean to insult Vayne in any way her methods do seem a bit extream.

  3. I think they might question her in many ways and might think of her as crazy, the closest parallel I can think of is how everyone in Marvel comics treats The Punisher, as a nutjob yet extremely skilled.

  4. I would not be surprised if she did but would think they would be little things, a memento more than a trophy.

  5. I would say she is more focused like a hunter, a hunter watches their kill with beauty and wonder, appreciating their kill, (though in a personal note I also did find it a bit interesting and kinda like to imagine she is a lesbian, at the moment head-cannon only)

  6. I find it's just pure aesthetics.

  7. At the moment... No, but I don't really want to see her go down a path of ruination like many others, I find if she finds someone that has lost like her like let's say Lucian then maybe there's a chance, but killing your teacher/mother figure is a big jump to make that is hard to come from.

  8. I am always eager to read more of the LORE and hers can be a bit interesting.

  9. I think it's just a detective saying like you know " I smell foul play", she was originally based on Batman, though I am pretty sure they changed her to be more like The Punisher

  10. There once was a post catering to the actual strength of every character we have so far, I would recommend you search it since it is quite insightful and interesting read if I find it I will edit it in a link EDIT: Found the link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/h5YM39JK-the-strongest-and-weakest-champions-in-the-lore You can find Vayne in the G-list.

Alright, I read the list again and it just made me wonder; Vayne kills monsters and mages/witches of the occult. Any great and dangerous threats of cultists, demons and stuff like that. Wouldn't that mean that if she were to fight a regular human with no magic capabilities, that it would be as easy as blowing an ant off your hand? Would that be the similar case with other Champions? Tldr I'm pretty sure that in each ranking the characters are a lot more able and dangerous, but at the same time I understand why they were ranked the way they were. (also about Frey she used black magic she knew it is forbidden and she knows how Demacia loves magic. I'm pretty sure Demacia doesn't show any mercy to these people even if they have good intentions/have control over their power. They'd kill them even if they were family. If they are fine now they could turn into a form of destruction any moment so... I think Vayne is justified -- she just lost all emotion while the normal reaction would be to lament a little bit but yeah :P I do think it will be hard for her to make a step to come back into feeling things since her emotion span is hatred and pleasure)

Overall, I really like your thoughts. I enjoy it a lot when I talk lore with other people and hear their view on things. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! 8)

Krabohod1 votes

With all honesty.. F the saving trope. For whatever reason I want Vayne to be just this sick f-k that cannot be saved. It suits her very well aswell

DreamerR1 votes

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With all honesty.. F the saving trope. For whatever reason I want Vayne to be just this sick f-k that cannot be saved. It suits her very well aswell

But, she always was the person who doesn't need saving :P Now the addition is her being a little psychotic.

Ralanr1 votes

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Alright, I read the list again and it just made me wonder; Vayne kills monsters and mages/witches of the occult. Any great and dangerous threats of cultists, demons and stuff like that. Wouldn't that mean that if she were to fight a regular human with no magic capabilities, that it would be as easy as blowing an ant off your hand? Would that be the similar case with other Champions? Tldr I'm pretty sure that in each ranking the characters are a lot more able and dangerous, but at the same time I understand why they were ranked the way they were. (also about Frey she used black magic she knew it is forbidden and she knows how Demacia loves magic. I'm pretty sure Demacia doesn't show any mercy to these people even if they have good intentions/have control over their power. They'd kill them even if they were family. If they are fine now they could turn into a form of destruction any moment so... I think Vayne is justified -- she just lost all emotion while the normal reaction would be to lament a little bit but yeah :P I do think it will be hard for her to make a step to come back into feeling things since her emotion span is hatred and pleasure)

I'd argue no. There's such a thing as being too specialized in a given field (you don't ask a geologist to do rocket science for example) and while Vayne is skilled in fighting monsters I'm not sure she'd be as efficient as fighting trained human warriors. Could she beat them? Oh most likely, she's a champion after all. But the odds aren't in her favor, especially against another champion who is trained to fight.

I'd imagine she couldn't beat Pantheon or Graves in lore, though Graves depends on who gets the first drop.

DreamerR1 votes

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I'd argue no. There's such a thing as being too specialized in a given field (you don't ask a geologist to do rocket science for example) and while Vayne is skilled in fighting monsters I'm not sure she'd be as efficient as fighting trained human warriors. Could she beat them? Oh most likely, she's a champion after all. But the odds aren't in her favor, especially against another champion who is trained to fight.

I'd imagine she couldn't beat Pantheon or Graves in lore, though Graves depends on who gets the first drop.

I see. :o I just either assumed monster hunting characters in franchises are overpowered or simply underestimated their enemies. In reality every champion puts their lives on the line and it's not always up to who is stronger but also it's up to skill. But, yeah if there was Shen or Pantheon vs Jinx I'm pretty sure we'd know the winner. :p

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes
  1. Harrowings, unlike the Halloween, can happen in any moment, in any place... they are like a natural disaster. So, she cant simply "go to the place where the Harrowing happens" and help... because no one knows when or where it can happen.

But, sure, Is safe to say that she would help if a Harrowing happens in a place where she is.

  1. I dont remember the answer 100%, but Riot said that she preffers to work alone or something like that...

  2. As far as i know, the "Bats" are only particle effects that are not canon, she cant summon them or anything like that.

  3. Its a way of saying "I feel that there is someone using black magics in this place" or something like that. Not literal.

DreamerR2 votes

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  1. Harrowings, unlike the Halloween, can happen in any moment, in any place... they are like a natural disaster. So, she cant simply "go to the place where the Harrowing happens" and help... because no one knows when or where it can happen.

But, sure, Is safe to say that she would help if a Harrowing happens in a place where she is.

  1. I dont remember the answer 100%, but Riot said that she preffers to work alone or something like that...

  2. As far as i know, the "Bats" are only particle effects that are not canon, she cant summon them or anything like that.

  3. Its a way of saying "I feel that there is someone using black magics in this place" or something like that. Not literal.

Rip bat children :(

Lady Faceless1 votes

Okay, this are my personal headcanons, take them or don't, I don't care.

  1. As Ebonmaw Dragon stated, the Harrowing has not a fixed date and location. If Vayne would be caught in this time, sure, she would kill as many as possible. However, she probably wouldn't actively seek it out like Lucian. Vayne probably prefers to kill magic user and monsters, undeads are less likely on her radar.

  2. Vayne prefers to work alone and after Frey's "betray", she probably is highly paranoid and won't trust anyone anymore. For the "higher good" she probably could work with Lucians order as well, but I think they wouldn't really trust her, since Vayne loyality only belongs to herself.

  3. I think you can easily describe Vayne as ice - pretty to look at, but you REALLY don't wanna have it anywhere near to you. Aesthetic speaking Vayne is probably incredible gorgeous and aristocratic, but she is as cold as ice. Everythink about her basically scream, don't come near me. There is no warmth, no empathy in her.

  4. I could imagine she does it. One of my personal headcanon was always she had a big collection of magical artifacts, which she keep away from the public.

  5. She probably has an eye for aesthetic, considere she is a noble. Personally, I see her as bisexual aromantic, she does enjoy looks and maybe feels even some sexual attraction, however she has probably no desire to get in any meaningful releationship.

  6. I think the bats are only visual.

  7. I think, Vayne probably will end ever dead, corrupted or commit suicide. If Vayne suddenly stop seeing her world in her black-white world-viewing, the sheer guilt of killiing so many possible innocent people would drive her into the suicide.

  8. No idea, I always hope for Vayne and Black Rose stuff, but this probably never gonna happen.

  9. It is probably a metaphor, however magic probably leaves some kind of traces, which she can notice. If she can smell it? I doubt it, but it could depend on the kind of magic.

  10. Vayne' strengh is not pure strengh. Someone like Darius and Garen could easily defeat her in such case. I see her like Quinn - her strengh lies in her agility and mobility. She is setting up her fight, she prefers to work in the shdow and use it to her advantage. Her fighting stlye in this case is don't getting hit and using precise strikes to take her oppoment out. However, I think Quinn is able to fight not much worse in close combat as well, there Vayne would definitely struggle.

DreamerR1 votes

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Okay, this are my personal headcanons, take them or don't, I don't care.

  1. As Ebonmaw Dragon stated, the Harrowing has not a fixed date and location. If Vayne would be caught in this time, sure, she would kill as many as possible. However, she probably wouldn't actively seek it out like Lucian. Vayne probably prefers to kill magic user and monsters, undeads are less likely on her radar.

  2. Vayne prefers to work alone and after Frey's "betray", she probably is highly paranoid and won't trust anyone anymore. For the "higher good" she probably could work with Lucians order as well, but I think they wouldn't really trust her, since Vayne loyality only belongs to herself.

  3. I think you can easily describe Vayne as ice - pretty to look at, but you REALLY don't wanna have it anywhere near to you. Aesthetic speaking Vayne is probably incredible gorgeous and aristocratic, but she is as cold as ice. Everythink about her basically scream, don't come near me. There is no warmth, no empathy in her.

  4. I could imagine she does it. One of my personal headcanon was always she had a big collection of magical artifacts, which she keep away from the public.

  5. She probably has an eye for aesthetic, considere she is a noble. Personally, I see her as bisexual aromantic, she does enjoy looks and maybe feels even some sexual attraction, however she has probably no desire to get in any meaningful releationship.

  6. I think the bats are only visual.

  7. I think, Vayne probably will end ever dead, corrupted or commit suicide. If Vayne suddenly stop seeing her world in her black-white world-viewing, the sheer guilt of killiing so many possible innocent people would drive her into the suicide.

  8. No idea, I always hope for Vayne and Black Rose stuff, but this probably never gonna happen.

  9. It is probably a metaphor, however magic probably leaves some kind of traces, which she can notice. If she can smell it? I doubt it, but it could depend on the kind of magic.

  10. Vayne' strengh is not pure strengh. Someone like Darius and Garen could easily defeat her in such case. I see her like Quinn - her strengh lies in her agility and mobility. She is setting up her fight, she prefers to work in the shdow and use it to her advantage. Her fighting stlye in this case is don't getting hit and using precise strikes to take her oppoment out. However, I think Quinn is able to fight not much worser in close combat as well, there Vayne would definitely struggle.

Hello!

  1. First of all, the undead of the Shadow Isles are made from the curse in that place, and general undead are products of necromancy. Vayne would go after them as she would for Void related beings. You are right in your next two points, Vayne is a very controversial person and wouldn't trust others. But, I like to imagine there might be some monster-killing people that could get as close as respecting them or considering working with them once in awhile.
  2. I believe the same. She is pretty apathetic and the only pleasure she gets is from killing those of the occult. Vayne is clearly not interested, a relationship would hold her down when she is a full dominant lady, besides she probably can't feel... a lot of things :P But, sexual attraction should be a thing.
  3. Vayne doesn't care about innocents anymore. She enjoys her twisted life, being reckless but flashy while killing monsters. She will kill people who are afflicted with curses of the black arts but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be very pleased with these kills. She is the perfect person for the job of a monster hunter, because she won't hesitate. It does seem that Vayne walks a path to ruination however. She might just die, but it's clear she doesn't care about death. The hunter is nothing without the prey. I feel that in a case of her losing her sanity would be if she found the demoness dead. Then maybe she'd go full nutty evil (SoulStealer everybody?)
  4. It's true she is not as strong as Garen and Darius. Hell she is probably not as strong as her own preys that she hunts. What I am trying to ask is if she is able to put down a giant monster then, would it be a walk in the park fighting another regular human? That is something I am curious about since, Vayne likes being reckless if she got serious then where does her limits lie? How much more faster/stronger/whatever is she?

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GreenLore1 votes

1.She would likely try to kill the undead,but she likely wouldn't try to help anyone.She merely wants to hunt evil beings for her own amusement,if she saves someone in th process,then its likely more of a side effect.

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