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Gatekeeper Galio Interaction with Ashe - Loretime

The mute Swan··9 votes·4,012 views

Soooo, I've watched this video and noticed the Interaction of Gatekeeper Galio with Ashe. > "Let your Mom die, huh?! Circle 9!"

This made me question a few things I knew about Ashes Lore and I looked again at the official Rito lore (I think Ashe's one has never changed even once) : > "When Ashe was only fifteen, her mother was killed while commanding the tribe on a brash raid. Suddenly thrust into the role of leader, Ashe made the difficult decision to follow her childhood vision instead of seeking the revenge she craved."

Let's for now go on to Circle 9. Some of you will know, some of you wont, but this is the representation of hell in the first part, named "Inferno" of the "Divine Comedy" by Dante Alighieri (14th Century). So, ye, some really ancient stuff. In this book, hell is represented in 9 Circles + the center of hell, the higher the number gets, the nearer you get to the center and the harder is your punishment. Circle 9 is the last circle before getting into the center (big news) and stands for Treachery. This could make sense even without the accusation of murder (like, she did not try to get her revenge). Little sidenote: circle nine is a goddamn frozen lake, an icy region, like Freljord (the sinners are mostly partially trapped in the ice).

BUT we still have Ashe accused of Murder of her mother, which lead me to four Theories:

  1. Ashe killed her Mother by her own Hand. Does no seem very likely, she does not seem the one that would kill her own mother to get what she wants.
  2. Ashe killed her Mother by not helping her either willingly or unwillingly when she got killed during that raid. Makes more sense. At least that's what I think.
  3. Rito did not think much about it and somebody fucked something up (which can happen)
  4. Rito maybe plans on updating Ashe/Freljord Lore sometimes soon, maybe even some gameplay elements and this is a teaser

If you got maybe some more Ideas, criticism etc., feel free to comment/upvote

The Swan Song

(Ashes to Ashes and dust to dust.)

39 Comments

Epicurus4 votes

Interesting. "Let your mother die" is not matricide. It would be extremely contrary to Ashe's character for her to flat-out kill her mother, or even to cause her death in a less direct way. Even if Ashe's mother was evil (for some reason), Ashe would seek a peaceful solution. So I think it's more likely Ashe tried to save her mother, but failed. Circle nine seems pretty harsh for an accident, though.

Darn it, now I'm hyped for some proper Freljord lore.

The mute Swan2 votes

You agree that in Ashe's case, it is not stated as matricide. But I dont think its an accident too. As you said, you dont get circle 9 for a simple accident. Circle 9 is for treachery. So there has to be something that happened. I know that feeling though. This simple video made me waste some hours reading old lore board threads and dev posts :D

Epicurus9 votes

There is another possibility: Galio is just a jerk.

The mute Swan2 votes

NO PLS. Let me have a hope I didnt waste my time for nothing QwQ

50000000000000001 votes

I mean, Gatekeeper Galio might be a jerk while classic Galio isn't.

Skorch1 votes

"So if i torture YOU the OTHER YOU feels it 3 seconds later? Jackpot." Ekko

Glory ln Death4 votes

I mean, he is Demacian, after all.

ImTheSideKick1 votes

the gatekeeper of the under world looks into your soul and at what you have done in your life

Ashe clearly did something wrong. he isn't being a ass to be a ass, he is only punishing those who have done wrong. to go to circle 9 after he peers into her soul. she did something big and bad when she was younger. surely she has changed but that doesn't make up for what she did, least not in galio's eyes

HalfTangible1 votes

Something bad?

"Wetting the bed and saying your sister did it" gets you circle 8.

Stars Shaper3 votes

Sejuani is guilt of Matricide. I guess they're sisters now.

50000000000000001 votes

What if Lissandra turns out to be the mother lul retcon pls

Whyte Lyon2 votes

I would say Riot approached this as Ashe would feel like she belongs in Circle 9 because she would blame herself for her mothers death. Which is why Gatekeeper taunts her like that when in reality Ashe probably wasn't at fault. IDK blaming oneself for the death of a loved one is an issue commonly found in character arcs. I could totally see Avarosa's death playing out like that iconic Lion King scene from Ashe's perspective.

But current lore doesn't exactly confirm that Ashe was present to her mothers death. In fact the Freljord lore has a few holes in it.

Epicurus2 votes

Sorry to break the news to you, but Avarosa was not Ashe's mother. Nor was Serylda the mother of Sejuani.

Other than that, I agree with your analysis.

Whyte Lyon1 votes

I will admit that Serylda's relation to Sej hasnt been confirmed. I guess it just always felt like it, clearly i let that cloud my judgement. On the other hand that Ashe thing was me miss reading the wiki

Granted the sisters a centuries old, which wouldnt make much sense if their kids were runining around only now. Fuck now i feel stupid.

However that is dissapointing as it makes Serylda a really nothing of a character.

The mute Swan1 votes

so if ashe is a descendant of avarosa and sejuani was the daughter of serylda, wouldnt that make sejuani quite old? If you look into lissandras lore, you can see that quite some time passed. I mean, usually you dont talk about a lady's age, but that would clearly make sejuani at least a hundred years old :)

Epicurus1 votes

Ashe is considered to be a descendant of Avarosa, but Avarosa and Serylda lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. We think that Sejuani is the descendant of Serylda, but I don't think this has been confirmed.

Don't feel to bad about it. Freljord lore is still a mess.

HalfTangible1 votes

It's somewhat likely. We know that True Ice artifacts can only be wielded by the Iceborn, and possibly those descended from a direct bloodline. Both Ashe and Sejuani make use of powerful true ice weaponry.

Epicurus1 votes

Have you heard of the phrase "thread necromancy"? Just some food for thought.

HalfTangible2 votes

sigh yeah, I didn't notice how old the thread was, my bad.

The mute Swan1 votes

errr. did you just say avarosa was ashes mother? and serylda sejuanis? Correct me If I'm wrong, but ashe and sejuani are merely descendants from avarosa and serylda.

But what about gatekeeper Galio not seeing ashe as ashe and sejuani as sejuani (some sort of soul-reincarnation things, and Yes I know this is going deep into Illuminati-bullshit), But as their ancient great-great-gandmothers or something like that. We know that avarosa, serylda and lissandra were sisters, but I've never heard anything about her mother. And as they 3 had dreams about how to rule the iceborn, I would think that their mother was some kind of leader of the iceborn, they all 3 killed her to take the lead and then argued about how to do this. thats how the three tribes were created.

still just a theory

Epicurus1 votes

Well if you believe Illaoi, soul reincarnation is actually what happens to people after death in Runeterra. Unless Thresh gets to interfere, of course.

But the three Iceborn sisters were granted their powers from the Frozen Watchers, which they then overthrew. So there wouldn't be much point in betraying whoever their biological mother happened to be.

Glory ln Death3 votes

Greek plot twist: One of the Watchers was their mother!!!

Epicurus1 votes

The Watchers look like a cross between Willump and Vel'koz, so this plot twist would be pretty concerning. Not impossible, mind you. But concerning.

Glory ln Death1 votes

Plot twist behind the plot twist: Vel'Koz and one of Willump's ancestors are the parents of the Watchers!!!

XIII Vanitas1 votes

there powers

http://ci.memecdn.com/7362186.jpg TRIGGERED

GreenLore1 votes

They might have chosen circle 9,simply because it is ice related.

Or maybe Ashe chose to not help her mother on this raid and that caused her mothers death?I mean what if her mother wanted to attack a group of people that ashe saw as innocent?It would make sense that Ashe wouldn't want to participate in such a raid.

The mute Swan1 votes

I think that choosing circle 9 because of the ice-relation, would be particularly careless from the Riot dev and lore teams. And Matricide is a bit too hardcore to just put in because they wanted it to fit with the ice-lake.

I agree on the second statement though.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Sejuani was stated to commit matricide so maybe it'll be a recurring theme in the updates.

The mute Swan1 votes

I think matricide works more with sejuanis actual theme than with Ashe's, so I concentrated on Ashe. Even though that is another twist someone could think about, yeah. But what is interesting is that both rivals, Ashe and Sejuani are stated having committed matricide. insert Illuminati meme here Edit: Lissandra would also get into Circle 9 for betraying her tribe. NOW THINGS GONNA GET INTERESTING

GreenLore1 votes

Uhm when was this stated? Sejuanis lores never made any mention of her parents.

The mute Swan1 votes

Its stated in the video :)

GreenLore1 votes

Ah thanks,didn't watch the whole video :)

Wrathof3001 votes

I believe the Freljord is going to get updated maybe late this year or early next year...this may be a set up of sorts? What if on whatever exploration/hunt they come across a watcher ruin. Inside they find a but of true-ice weapons including what would be Ashe's bow. Ashe's mother gets possessed by a watcher or one of their minion guard things and Ashe had to kill her and escape.

SchaakaKon1 votes

What is Lissandra transformed into a visage of Ashe and killed her mother (as well as convinced Sej to kill her own, which prob wont take much) and then that lead everyone to believe that Ashe was the cold hard killer even though she didnt want it.

Ashe cant really seek out revenge on the killer because:

  1. she doesnt exactly know who it was
  2. Freljordians probably think Ashe is a badass for killing her mother (a barbarian lot they are), so there isnt much pressure to seek revenge
Matoe1 votes

I thought this line for Miss Fortune , maybe it's an accident .

ZURELL1 votes

isnt this gate keeper an asshole. and isnt the emote the taunt? he's just being an asshole, right?

The mute Swan2 votes

In everything lies a seed of truth. I mean, he even referred to teeto as his lord, so there has to be something true in there, right?

Teemo

Rolling Girl1 votes

It's much more likely that, as you said, Gatekeeper Galio sees Ashe as having inadvertently "killed" her mother by not aiding her in the raid or sees Ashe choosing not to seek revenge as an act of treachery. Also, as someone who's never been super familiar with Dante's Inferno, learning that Treachery's circle is frozen over like the Freljord is pretty interesting, and is probably why the writers chose to include this particular line. Hell is all about ironic punishments (most of which rhyme), after all.

Also to keep in mind is the fact that Gatekeeper Galio seems to see every person as damned, regardless of how small their perceived sin is. (With lines like "Heaven? Hehehe, nobody goes there...")

HalfTangible1 votes

It is, actually. Circle 9 is frozen over because it's just THAT FAR from God's light, and the ice keeps the devil contained in a lake... kinda like the Frozen Watchers are held down by the wards in the Howling Abyss, hmmm?

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