Lissandra and Nunu
I am really confused about the new bio. Why is Lissandra taking care of Nunu or even allowing him to be near her or the Frostguards? Isn't she the evil incarnated?
I am really confused about the new bio. Why is Lissandra taking care of Nunu or even allowing him to be near her or the Frostguards? Isn't she the evil incarnated?
Have you read or seen Narnia? The White Witch in Narnia wants to murder Asland. However, she realizes that she will NEVER get close to Asland by herself, which is why she turns her efforts into "befriending" Edmund and being all sweet and motherly to him when she discovers the children are in Narnia and under Asland's guidance. After properly gaining Edmund's trust, he's able to seed doubt about the White Witch, and allow for her to find an opening to get to Asland and stab him to death on the stone table.
Lissandra is very much like the White Witch here in her relationship with Nunu. Her people found him after his caravan was raided. She knows his mother was an accomplished bard, and has taken particular interest in a lot of the songs he remembers regarding the Yetis and true ice, because clearly she's trying to figure out how to gain access to the Yetis and their magic. She's his "mother figure" in the Frostguard, and Nunu does not know that she's secretly a centuries old Iceborn who's been murdering and ruling the Frostguard since long before any can remember. After all, Lissandra's rule has to look legitimate, and she can't do completely off the wall things and draw attention to herself or her people. She can't wantonly murder people to progress her plans, or else people will start to wonder why the Frostguard matron is taking it upon herself to randomly murder people. By all intents and purposes, Lissandra HAS to act very normal in her day to day life, and that's how Nunu knows her. When she's not acting openly as the matron of the Frostguard, the disguise comes off and she can be the Ice Witch, and move her plans forward as a mythical "boogeyman" of the Freljord.
But the thing is, some of her machinations and alliances from her being herself as the Ice Witch have been folded into the Frostguard society. For instance, in parts of Nunu's VO when he's interacting with the Krugs, he talks about how the Frost Troll in the village won't leave because he's petrified of hurting himself and stepping on the rocky Krugs, which is why Nunu has taken it upon himself to get rid of them. So yeah, she's slowly normalizing her plans and her alliances with her Frostguards so that I believe her end goal of a grand reveal can finally happen.
She knows his mother was an accomplished bard
Is she level 7? 
Instead of Turkish Delight it's Black Ice Slushies.
Lissandra didn't take care of Nunu. Frostguard brought children in as new recruits for her army and she talked to Nunu because he unknowlingly possessed information about the artifact and the yeti. Once she got what she needed, she lost any interest in him. Other Frostguard, given how easily he left their base, too didn't care about him. Quite possibly, nobody even bothered to look for him.
I also wonder, whether Notai being attacked by raiders and Frostguard just happening to be nearby is a coincidence or a part of Lissandra's way of getting new soldiers.
Ulterior motives.
She's only keeping him around because she wants information on a certain song his mom knew.
I don't think she cares about him at all.
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Ulterior motives.
She's only keeping him around because she wants information on a certain song his mom knew.
I don't think she cares about him at all.
True thats why she had a interest about his songs..
No, not really. She has goals, but she isn't evil. I don't think there is any current info on what Lissandra is actually trying to do now, and what's happening .Riot is trying to portray the void and everything as the ultimate evil etc.
Read her lore just recently and her lore describes her as a malevolent evil. I was actually surprised when she took Nunu in and shared stories and everything with him. Riot's lore is a bit messy if you ask me.
She's evil, but that doesn't disqualify her from doing ostensibly well-meaning things for evil ends. In fact, that's pretty much what Lissandra does - she deceives people, whether it be the Frostguard, or Nunu, or whomever - deceit comes to her as naturally as murder and identity theft.
Read her lore just recently and her lore describes her as a malevolent evil. I was actually surprised when she took Nunu in and shared stories and everything with him. Riot's lore is a bit messy if you ask me.
Well she is the Lissandra we know only in secret..She is a normal lady during times like that.
Damn... No one is evil in LoL for some people. Even Mordekaiser and Thresh are some misunderstood characters.
Lissandra is ultra evil character, at least top 5, and you are telling me now she is not evil. Are you ok? What makes you think she is not evil?
What? She is a villain, no doubt about it, but she is that kind of villain who thinks he is doing the right thing. She doesn't enjoy killing people, it's just her and her loyalty to the Watchers, everything is a mean to her purpose. One of her quotes is "I will restore Freljord's greatness", it's so obvious that she is doing what she thinks it's right. Does that make her a hero? Hell no, but she is not the typical evil guy "I want to conquer the world and kill everyone! huehue!"
What? She is a villain, no doubt about it, but she is that kind of villain who thinks he is doing the right thing. She doesn't enjoy killing people, it's just her and her loyalty to the Watchers, everything is a mean to her purpose. One of her quotes is "I will restore Freljord's greatness", it's so obvious that she is doing what she thinks it's right. Does that make her a hero? Hell no, but she is not the typical evil guy "I want to conquer the world and kill everyone! huehue!"
she is a gray character
NVM, it got retconned so HARDDD!
Has anyone even thought about how each candidate for queen does their things? Lissandra is evil to some degree, everyone can agree of that, but it's not really her at all. As far as I'm concerned, she's doing as the watcher's teaching taught her just like in the old Frelyord. Heck, her methods are gruesome. Replacing her own child/successor and any other by shapeshifting to their leader to make herself the next ruler, while killing her previous husband making it look into an accident in some cases just like how Quinn found out and decided to run/fly the hell out of there to report to Demacia about it. But unlike her other sisters, she treats her people better. Think about it. Ashe is basically 'allied' or friendly towards Demacia. Heck, her standards are similar to them when it comes to politics, except for the mages part. But the horrible thing about it was the fact that Demacia ain't exactly as gold as they describe. They force a doctrine upon you. Basically, if you follow their every command, you will not have trouble. But refuse once or try to say otherwise to ANY and I mean any of their rules or doctrines, good or wrong mind you, it will end up in exile. Worst case scenario, Death. Ashe follows that kind of thing. How many people do not want to go to war just to end up forced to fight without being able to put their opinion in fear their family might even be purged out for their mistake? There is a good reason why Fiora had no choice but to kill her own father, heck, even Sona follows that. And she herself is downright depressing given she's a mage. In a mage racist like place. So dont get me started with Demacia's doctrine and even less Ashe. The best part? Ashe has a power complex. She married Tryndamere in the old for one thing alone. Power and number of people. Pretty much it. No love involved. Basically, she's just selfish and wants to outright rule Frelyord like it or not. And Sejuani? Oh boy. I know the noxians are supposed to be the 'Bad guys' According to Demacia and other countries but even that is entirely wrong in itself. Noxus itself started from people Migrating from MULTIPLE countries forming into one tribe, then tribe rulling after tribe till they formed the current noxus. Power rulling all tied up to one single thing. Loyalty. Unlike Demacia, Noxians are free to do as they please. As long they dont hurt their own people for no reason. Nobles are allowed to fight. But noxus at least protects their people and lets them choose. Basically, they can join and leave as they like with the exception of nobles. They have their own Nobless Oblige after all. And on top of all. The tri's goal is to make everyone stand as an equal. Hence their power struggle with one another by challenging each other through duels without a king but a ranking system from strongest to weakest. In a way, they are scavengers by natural means after LONG ages of being hunted down by other countries who thought of them wrong. Sejuani follows something similar. Except one thing. No loyalty. The strong eats the weak. Follow me or die. No choice. Only the strong will remain. Sorry pals. But this one is even worse than Ashe. Basically it's the same as the nobles of our own history with their Rping and pillage and screw everyone because we are strong. And as for Lissandra... True... Her means are horrible. But she treats her people better. A liar, a real murderer and a mage, yet still the better evil than Ashe and Sejuani combined. In a way, I kind of see Lissandra really taking care of nunu given his Ice born linage. Perhaps for profit or other reasons. But she does in fact care for her people. Otherwise why would even nunu bother mentioning that Lissandra will get mad at him? Sounds more like Nunu went out for adventure without telling her. Scary mom in a way. Wait, does that make Lissandra a tsundere?[sg-zephyr]* Edit. Also, Lissandra confirmed blind by volibear. Ouch. Also, the fact that all 3 sisters aren't good is described on Nunu's Bio. Mind you. So take your pick for lesser evil >:3 Also, from my point of view, I think he's trying to change lissandra's mind I guess? ? ? God... why does this reminds me of Lillie and Lusamine's relationship?
Has anyone even thought about how each candidate for queen does their things? Lissandra is evil to some degree, everyone can agree of that, but it's not really her at all. As far as I'm concerned, she's doing as the watcher's teaching taught her just like in the old Frelyord. Heck, her methods are gruesome. Replacing her own child/successor and any other by shapeshifting to their leader to make herself the next ruler, while killing her previous husband making it look into an accident in some cases just like how Quinn found out and decided to run/fly the hell out of there to report to Demacia about it. But unlike her other sisters, she treats her people better. Think about it. Ashe is basically 'allied' or friendly towards Demacia. Heck, her standards are similar to them when it comes to politics, except for the mages part. But the horrible thing about it was the fact that Demacia ain't exactly as gold as they describe. They force a doctrine upon you. Basically, if you follow their every command, you will not have trouble. But refuse once or try to say otherwise to ANY and I mean any of their rules or doctrines, good or wrong mind you, it will end up in exile. Worst case scenario, Death. Ashe follows that kind of thing. How many people do not want to go to war just to end up forced to fight without being able to put their opinion in fear their family might even be purged out for their mistake? There is a good reason why Fiora had no choice but to kill her own father, heck, even Sona follows that. And she herself is downright depressing given she's a mage. In a mage racist like place. So dont get me started with Demacia's doctrine and even less Ashe. The best part? Ashe has a power complex. She married Tryndamere in the old for one thing alone. Power and number of people. Pretty much it. No love involved. Basically, she's just selfish and wants to outright rule Frelyord like it or not. And Sejuani? Oh boy. I know the noxians are supposed to be the 'Bad guys' According to Demacia and other countries but even that is entirely wrong in itself. Noxus itself started from people Migrating from MULTIPLE countries forming into one tribe, then tribe rulling after tribe till they formed the current noxus. Power rulling all tied up to one single thing. Loyalty. Unlike Demacia, Noxians are free to do as they please. As long they dont hurt their own people for no reason. Nobles are allowed to fight. But noxus at least protects their people and lets them choose. Basically, they can join and leave as they like with the exception of nobles. They have their own Nobless Oblige after all. And on top of all. The tri's goal is to make everyone stand as an equal. Hence their power struggle with one another by challenging each other through duels without a king but a ranking system from strongest to weakest. In a way, they are scavengers by natural means after LONG ages of being hunted down by other countries who thought of them wrong. Sejuani follows something similar. Except one thing. No loyalty. The strong eats the weak. Follow me or die. No choice. Only the strong will remain. Sorry pals. But this one is even worse than Ashe. Basically it's the same as the nobles of our own history with their Rping and pillage and screw everyone because we are strong. And as for Lissandra... True... Her means are horrible. But she treats her people better. A liar, a real murderer and a mage, yet still the better evil than Ashe and Sejuani combined. In a way, I kind of see Lissandra really taking care of nunu given his Ice born linage. Perhaps for profit or other reasons. But she does in fact care for her people. Otherwise why would even nunu bother mentioning that Lissandra will get mad at him? Sounds more like Nunu went out for adventure without telling her. Scary mom in a way. Wait, does that make Lissandra a tsundere?[sg-zephyr]* Edit. Also, Lissandra confirmed blind by volibear. Ouch. Also, the fact that all 3 sisters aren't good is described on Nunu's Bio. Mind you. So take your pick for lesser evil >:3 Also, from my point of view, I think he's trying to change lissandra's mind I guess? ? ? God... why does this reminds me of Lillie and Lusamine's relationship?
i really want lissandra to become tsundere and at least a bit more gray character. I think you can actually compare her to symmetra from overwatch, both character have been brought up by "evil" forces and now they just follow their customs but they do think for themselves and find most of these customs wrong, Both have a vision of better future and want to acomplish one thing no matter the cost, The only difference is that lissandra wants to free the watchers and thats a bit questionable because we dont know much about them and they could be evil while symmetra wants to make a world better place and to make peace but she thinks that is acomplished by order which can be sometimes contradictory
Damn... No one is evil in LoL for some people. Even Mordekaiser and Thresh are some misunderstood characters.
Lissandra is ultra evil character, at least top 5, and you are telling me now she is not evil. Are you ok? What makes you think she is not evil?
well you kinda can debate that she isnt that evil, she wants to bring back the watchers and she will do anything for that. Lucian is ready to kill and murder to free his love and he isnt considered evil
Lissandra was originally introduced in the old lore as an ally of Ashe,someone who supported Ashe becoming the queen of Freljord.
When Lissandra was introduced as a champion,they actually kept the old lore intact,which they did this by designing Lissandra as a master manipulator and schemer who keeps her enemies in the dark about her true nature. This is what Lissandra looks like when she acts as the leader of the frostguard: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/28/Lissandra_Disguised_2_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20180424042229
But thats just a facade,she acts all benelovent and noble on the outside,in the lore no one except for certain members of the frostguard knows that Lissandra is actually the feared ice witch.
Definitely excited by the prospect of more Lissandra lore.
Anyone who's interacted with a young kid to any degree will know that when asked about their interests or something important to them, they're only too happy to tell you all about it. As Oleandervine pointed out, deceit is second nature to Lissandra, so I'm sure she had no trouble putting on an excellent façade of the "wise mystic" to get Nunu, a lonely, potentially traumatized kid, to open up.
Because no one knows that she is The Ice Witch, she looks like a normal human.
if were making a lissandra thread can we talk about increasing the size of her ult radius, or perhaps buffing her Q base damage, or buffing her W scaling? 40%?? wtf