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I got banned! Care to tell me why?

Sexy Fish Boi··2 votes·1,094 views

well the whole story is still here, but here's an update: i ended up sending a ticket in and talking to yet another wonderful rioter, they agreed that while it was an honest mistake, it was still a mistake. i got off with a 25 game chat restriction and a pretty good lesson. dont. repeat. slurs. seems simple, but if you dont wanna get banned dont use slurs in any context. also, if the rioter whose name i cant remember because im a bad person who also mains soraka sees this, i love you

and yeah learned a pretty good lesson so anyone who said ima toxic troll was pretty right

so here's the story, i played a game with a very toxic vi, she was constantly flaming and would not stop. when she kept flaming and threatening to report me lee sin support as troll, me and vladimir (my duo) asked her to stop. we said the normal thing, flaming does no good let's work together, and how i wasn't trolling. she then replied with, and i quote, "KYS FA- -OT!". i have taken the liberty to censor her words. i then said, "have fun getting banned" and asked the enemy team to report her. this is the only reason i can imagine i got banned, when i asked the enemy team to report her i said, "please report vi tho told me to kys and that i was a fa**ot".the only other thing that even comes close to "offensive comms" is "stfu". i don't say this braggingly, but i have cursed a lot worst in league. in fact, i've already been suspended for the same reason as vi. i learned my lesson and decided, it's much better to get to play league, then insult the people who play it by being extra toxic. there is no other use of profanity, no use of offensive language or wording, no other reason that the machine would decide to ban me. the only probable conclusion is that someone, likely the salty vi, reported me as well. the report wouldved said something around the lined of,"Sexy Fish Bio said kys fa- -ot to me". the system would see the word but not the context and decided to ban me. this is completely unjust! not only did i not use any kind of offensive language, i was just telling the enemy team what VI, emphasis on VI, did to me. after the game i got two notifications, one saying that my report lead to a penalty, and another saying that i was banned. im now sitting on, yet another, 14 day suspension. the first was deserved, the second is a mistake. i've included my comm report below so the people can review it, please pick through it and tell me if you can find any reasonable reason that i would be banned. i've already sent in my ticket saying mostly the same thing asking for a review, i have not yet received a reply. i'm hoping that by posting on the boards i can raise awareness and get others opinions. i have censored any profanity in the comms, rest assured vi did not take the same liberty.

Game 1 Sexy Fish Boi: wait but thornmail doesent give lethality Sexy Fish Boi: cant build that Sexy Fish Boi: lol jk Sexy Fish Boi: my duo lies Sexy Fish Boi: hes into this Sexy Fish Boi: not trolling! Sexy Fish Boi: ima lee sin support one trick! Sexy Fish Boi: lee support isnt that troll Sexy Fish Boi: see Sexy Fish Boi: i need you to w to Sexy Fish Boi: adc just chilling bot Sexy Fish Boi: sry Sexy Fish Boi: boo Sexy Fish Boi: rip didnt see the stun Sexy Fish Boi: dont flame Sexy Fish Boi: doesent do any good Sexy Fish Boi: dude Sexy Fish Boi: its called targons Sexy Fish Boi: shares gold Sexy Fish Boi: do you not know howw the support items work? Sexy Fish Boi: literly gives you gld Sexy Fish Boi: got u bb Sexy Fish Boi: vi stfu Sexy Fish Boi: stop flaming Sexy Fish Boi: it does no good Sexy Fish Boi: hey gj Sexy Fish Boi: wow Sexy Fish Boi: towers over baron Sexy Fish Boi: guys why Sexy Fish Boi: we needed to equalize the presure Sexy Fish Boi: you fools Sexy Fish Boi: ree Sexy Fish Boi: yo Sexy Fish Boi: we all need tabi and armor Sexy Fish Boi: we should be stacking armor Sexy Fish Boi: vi pls get tanky Sexy Fish Boi: stop backs Sexy Fish Boi: lol Sexy Fish Boi: this what you get Sexy Fish Boi: no Sexy Fish Boi: you are Sexy Fish Boi: and yoire toxic Sexy Fish Boi: you gfet this Sexy Fish Boi: lol Sexy Fish Boi: have fun getting banned Sexy Fish Boi: and we won lane Sexy Fish Boi: justy saying Sexy Fish Boi: lee sup isnt that troll Sexy Fish Boi: pleas report vi tho told me to kys and that i was a fa- -ot Sexy Fish Boi: and you know what, thats rude Sexy Fish Boi: not brandnew Sexy Fish Boi: lol no mana Sexy Fish Boi: dang Sexy Fish Boi: nope Sexy Fish Boi: die like men Sexy Fish Boi: with honor Sexy Fish Boi: it is Sexy Fish Boi: vi pls Sexy Fish Boi: why me? Sexy Fish Boi: im 4-5 and we won lane? Sexy Fish Boi: push mid Sexy Fish Boi: come on vi Sexy Fish Boi: go mid Sexy Fish Boi: we got inhibs go mid Sexy Fish Boi: GO MID Sexy Fish Boi: RUN IT DOWN MID Sexy Fish Boi: get inhib Sexy Fish Boi: vi we can win if we dont do that Sexy Fish Boi: give Sexy Fish Boi: go Sexy Fish Boi: base race Sexy Fish Boi: more like 6 Sexy Fish Boi: ill try to insec cait Sexy Fish Boi: focus her Sexy Fish Boi: gg Sexy Fish Boi: gg

54 Comments

Chermorg8 votes

There is no reason to ever ask for reports on someone else, and there is especially no reason to repeat toxic things they say, especially hate speech. Anyone that muted the offender had to see you repeating hate speech - you basically acted as a voicebox or proxy for them to be toxic through.

If you have never been punished before, Riot may be willing to reduce this if you contact them. That being said, it is not a guarantee as you are wholly at fault for your use of hate speech. Someone else doing it first does not make it okay.

If you have had other chat restrictions or bans before, it is extremely unlikely this gets removed or reduced.

Sexy Fish Boi2 votes

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There is no reason to ever ask for reports on someone else, and there is especially no reason to repeat toxic things they say, especially hate speech. Anyone that muted the offender had to see you repeating hate speech - you basically acted as a voicebox or proxy for them to be toxic through.

If you have never been punished before, Riot may be willing to reduce this if you contact them. That being said, it is not a guarantee as you are wholly at fault for your use of hate speech. Someone else doing it first does not make it okay.

If you have had other chat restrictions or bans before, it is extremely unlikely this gets removed or reduced.

how are people going to get banned if you don't report them? strength in numbers. and specifically, how do the other payers know why they're supposed to report said person if you don't give context? vi was trying to insult, i was trying to inform the others of something that just happened. why should i get a ban for quoting what someone else said in a request to report?

AeroWaffle6 votes

Because one report is all it takes for someone's behavior to get reviewed. Your report is your own, let other people decide how to use their reports without hearsay.

deathgod56 votes

The reporting system is automated.

It kinda works like this

There is a lamp with an On button and no off button. If the on button is pressed the lamp stays on. This doesn't change when multiple people press the on button.

It goes the same with reports. A single report weighs just as heavy as 10 reports. After this the automated system checks the players chat for what is toxic and not toxic and decides the punishment.

Reporting is based on text quality not quantity.

Edit: posted incomplete first.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

This was the most eloquent explanation I've ever seen for this (+1), do you mind if I borrow that lamp analogy in the future when I inevitably run into people who have the same misconception as the OP has?

deathgod51 votes

sure, have fun with it.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Thanks!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Kanzler2 votes

1 report = 9. You dont need to campaign for them and it makes me laugh every time i see it in game

Modl Ryden l3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Fish Boi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=znHN9t2M,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-04-05T12:13:10.422+0000)

how are people going to get banned if you don't report them? strength in numbers. and specifically, how do the other payers know why they're supposed to report said person if you don't give context? vi was trying to insult, i was trying to inform the others of something that just happened. why should i get a ban for quoting what someone else said in a request to report?

The players you match with aren't your personal army you can summon to "9x" someone for something bad they do.

Sukishoo3 votes

1 report is all it takes. There is no "strength in numbers" here as the system is designed to only look at one report for each game reported.

Battalion1 votes

I have to disagree with your final point on the use of hate speech. Hate speech is a directly aggressive use of discriminatory words against a person or group of people based on identifying features. Relaying what was said to him is not attacking anyone or being discriminatory, so it would not qualify as anything other than a total lack of tact. That being said, none of this excuses him from asking others to report another player.

Chermorg1 votes

The words themselves (the N and F words) have taken on such an offensive nature within society that there is no use where they will not be seen as offensive. Even the mere use of the word, in any context, even repeating it that someone else said, causes offense to many and had the potential to cause great impact.

Battalion1 votes

That sounds like a case of being overly sensitive to be blunt. If someone cannot retell what's being said to them without being seen as offensive we have gone in a very bad direction.

Person 1: " You're a insert hate speech " Person 2: " This guy just called me a insert hate speech " Person 3: " Person 2, you bigoted hate speech user, I'm reporting you."

That's hardly an effective way to moderate conversations nor is an appropriate precedent to set.

Chermorg2 votes

The issue here is that most people probably muted person 1 after they started being toxic.

Then person 2 comes on and repeats extremely hateful language - the entire reason that they muted person 1 in the first place. The words themselves cause emotion to well in people and for many bring memories of bad times/experiences, discrimination, and hate. The words have no place in League whatsoever, and by repeating them especially if you repeat them in an attempt to harass someone else by trying to get others to report them, you're part of the problem.

the word "you" here is used generically, not directed at anyone in particular.

Battalion1 votes

I agree that this is a case of repeating inappropriate language. The only issue I had with your comment was terminology, since hate speech and inappropriate language have two different contexts. Hate speech is used to put someone down, inappropriate language is like someone repeating it to tell others what they were called. Saying it's hate speech to relay what was being said to you is blaming the victim. I do agree that this was inappropriate and then when it was coupled with trying to get a ban on someone it's report worthy.

Chermorg1 votes

When a word is used in a hateful manner for a long enough period of time, it becomes hateful in and of itself. You do not have to agree, but Riot's stance is that the "F word" and "N word" are both hate speech - no matter what context they are used in - due to the effect they have.

Automated Riven1 votes

When you said f word I just thought fuck. And I was like, I use fuck all the time and never get banned. And then it hit me.

130x2 votes

They consider excessive chat spam. That is all I can think of.

Sexy Fish Boi2 votes

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They consider excessive chat spam. That is all I can think of.

but i wasn't spamming, i was just replying to what the others were saying. if everyone's typing up a storm and everyone else is replying is that spam?

130x1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Fish Boi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=znHN9t2M,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-05T12:15:09.802+0000)

but i wasn't spamming, i was just replying to what the others were saying. if everyone's typing up a storm and everyone else is replying is that spam?

I agree with you. I have just seen Riot call simply chatting spamming. And in this other case the guy won the game and had a 12kda.

Sexy Fish Boi1 votes

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I agree with you. I have just seen Riot call simply chatting spamming. And in this other case the guy won the game and had a 12kda.

even so the report card i get when i sign in say my comms were well below the standard and that it was due to offensive language, even though given the proper context i didn't do anything insulting. i asked the enemy team to punish someone worthy of punishment and gave them the context

130x1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Fish Boi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=znHN9t2M,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-05T12:22:22.753+0000)

even so the report card i get when i sign in say my comms were well below the standard and that it was due to offensive language, even though given the proper context i didn't do anything insulting. i asked the enemy team to punish someone worthy of punishment and gave them the context

Again I am completely on your side. I bet it is mainly due, or the main cause, is you repeating "kys". The auto detection doesn't consider context, it just looks for words.

Personally, after last year when I got a chat ban, I no longer type much in games. Rules are NEVER cuss no matter how small, never feed a troll(I know it is hard but just mute them right away), and really try not to chat with people at all(pings are sufficient, Riot doesn't want this to be a social platform. 10 line MAX per game)

I am glad I started following these rules because things get more and more restrictive every day, and my now habits keep me safe from losing my account for what I would see as no reason. The muting trolls one is the best so far. In so many games I mute a troll at game start and see the nice people on my team become frustrated and argumentative against the guy I have muted. So from my perspective there is no problem. Trolls actually tend to play average so you don't notice it in their playstyles most of the time either. It has made a world of difference.

Automated Riven2 votes

Which rules say never cuss? Was that issued to you as part of the chat restriction?

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I'm quite certain that cussing is allowed, Rioters themselves have verified this multiple times.

'Never cuss AT other players' is probably what the rule is. And that's because cussing at people is hostile and is often part of a broader pattern of harassment.

Automated Riven1 votes

Seems fair.

Telephone Booth2 votes

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Which rules say never cuss? Was that issued to you as part of the chat restriction?

He's just exaggerating and being dramatic. Still a little bitter from his punishment I imagine.

130x1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=znHN9t2M,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-07T02:35:09.285+0000)

Which rules say never cuss? Was that issued to you as part of the chat restriction?

Riot doesn't have to make any rules to ban you. All these reviewers have their own ideas of what should be banned and what shouldn'r. They review these all day, many many. Perhaps they have to review 100 per day. So they will skim all of them. If they see a fuck you here or a shit there they just press the ban and move on. Then if you wonder why and post your chat log tobthe boards, these people will beat you down even harder doing the exact same thing. Trust me, never swear.

Automated Riven1 votes

Saying 'fuck you' and 'your shit' are not the same as simply swearing. I swear in my games and have never been banned or recieved a chat restriction. But my swearing is specific to saying 'fuck' or 'damnit' if I mess up. I even say shit like 'i fucked up, my bad' and I haven't even recieved a warning.

Automated Riven1 votes

Saying 'fuck you' and 'your shit' are not the same as simply swearing. I swear in my games and have never been banned or recieved a chat restriction. But my swearing is specific to saying 'fuck' or 'damnit' if I mess up. I even say shit like 'i fucked up, my bad' and I haven't even recieved a warning.

Also the ban system is purely automatic unless you feel your ban isn't justified and request a manual review. Nobody reviews hundreds of games a day to see if people should be banned. That ended in like season 2-3.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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Again I am completely on your side. I bet it is mainly due, or the main cause, is you repeating "kys". The auto detection doesn't consider context, it just looks for words.

Personally, after last year when I got a chat ban, I no longer type much in games. Rules are NEVER cuss no matter how small, never feed a troll(I know it is hard but just mute them right away), and really try not to chat with people at all(pings are sufficient, Riot doesn't want this to be a social platform. 10 line MAX per game)

I am glad I started following these rules because things get more and more restrictive every day, and my now habits keep me safe from losing my account for what I would see as no reason. The muting trolls one is the best so far. In so many games I mute a troll at game start and see the nice people on my team become frustrated and argumentative against the guy I have muted. So from my perspective there is no problem. Trolls actually tend to play average so you don't notice it in their playstyles most of the time either. It has made a world of difference.

To be honest, I say fuck or shit after like every stupid mistake I make... and there's lots of them ;)

You can swear all you want, just don't insult people. Swearing/cussing has nothing to do with it. It's how you use it.

TheHobbits2 votes

A tip for future accounts. Rather than telling trolls to "stfu" and telling them what to do just mute them. Tell your duo to mite them too.

Muteing teolls the moment they start flaming anyone is the key. After the game you and your friends can quietly report them for negative attitude and there you go. All good.

Don't know what else to say really.

ZenaSpiritdragon2 votes

You could always submit a support ticket and ask them to look it over manually and see if they'll reduce/remove the punishment since what probably escalated it so far was that it picked up on the zero tolerance speech you repeated. I don't know if they'll do it since I suspect they'll say you should have known better than to repeat it but who knows.

fatherdarius1 votes

I didn't realize you'd posted this (I just posted more or less the same thing).

But yeah I think this is OP's best strategy.

kokoberi2 votes

you said kys and you got banned by the bot that is how it is they dont look at the context. kys is triggerword for instaban

Kei1431 votes

I see a lot of passive-aggressiveness in this chat.

Doing this over many games will indeed get you punished.

IamN00BL0rd1 votes

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HalcyonDweller1 votes

hey buddy, you could have left it at unjust ban. There was no need to bash literally everyone else in the comments here.

I would have agreed with you, but not anymore. Don't use ad hominems, you're more persuasive without them.

IamN00BL0rd1 votes

thanks for proving my point bud.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

My comment doesn't prove your point at all. Stop it.

IamN00BL0rd1 votes

you are on a roll bud.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

There was no need to bash literally everyone else in the comments here.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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you are on a roll bud.

What is he, a stick a butter or sumthin??? Tsss tssss fawkin homerun chippa.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

You repeated the things that Vi said to you, in an effort to get people to help report her. Now while I think that its kind of unfair for you to have been punished, there are a few problems with this that could lead to a punishment.

  1. If you knew it was punishable, why in gods name would you say the same stupid shit in your own chat?

  2. Multiple reports don't stack. It only takes one report from a game in order to trigger a review, and more reports beyond the first do nothing to increase the likelihood of a punishment. So asking for reports against someone is unnecessary and paired with other negative behavior can be considered harassment.

Also why are you wasting your time arguing with a toxic player about whether or not they are toxic? They're toxic, there's no point talking to them, so just mute them.

Don't feed them attention. That's like feeding pigeons. They will just come back and do the same shit over and over because they think it will get a reaction / acknowledgement from you.

fatherdarius1 votes

Though context doesn't matter, I don't personally think you intended to tell someone to kill themselves, or were purposely spouting hate speech or homosexual slurs at someone else. If I were in your summoner shoes, I would send a support ticket. In that ticket, I would explain (with a broken heart and a contrite spirit) that you realize you shouldn't have repeated zero-tolerance phrases even if you were just trying to get Vi reported for toxicity. I would also politely request your punishment status be reviewed, and if possible lowered a tier. Honesty and kindness goes a long way in this world - yes, even with riot.

And ultimately, the worst they can tell you is "no", in which case you're no worse off than you are right at this moment.

[edit]

P.S. One other thing you could do in the future, is instead of repeating 'exactly' what was said:

"pleas report vi tho told me to kys and that i was a fa- -ot"

You could always paraphrase:

"would you mind reporting vi? She told me to end my life and used a gay slur"

And then don't harp in it. You say what you need to say and then just let it be. Yet, as others have said, there's really no need to even gather reports. Your own report is sufficient. Might be best to just 'mute, report, and move on' as they say.

Automated Riven1 votes

Calling for reports is punishable.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

It can be, if done as a launching off point for further harassment, but I don't think that what FatherDarius is suggesting here would get someone punished. They are suggesting asking for it once and then leaving the subject alone afterwards.

Automated Riven1 votes

IDK. I report for it every time. I don't see the point and all it does is incite hostility in the game. Plus it typically is used as a club to beat someone over the head over a mistake. (someone fails a tower dive with a bad flash or something and the response is /all report x for feeding) I just assume it is always intended to be hostile. Altho I should point out that I don't see it often.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I suppose yeah, most of the time it's either a jumping off point for harassment or it's just feeding the trolls. I usually report it as well. But that's because most of the time I see it it's being used as one of those two things.

Automated Riven1 votes

You deserved to be punished. Depending on your ban history probably not permanent ban. You contributed to a negative environment and called for reports which are both punishable offenses.

Telephone Booth1 votes

How dare you expose the enemy team to such offensive words!!

Jokes aside, yeah you fucked up by repeating zero tolerance words. You could attempt a support ticket, explaining that you didn't know it was wrong to quote someone else saying zero tolerance words, but I doubt they will do anything. Still worth a shot though!

In the future, never repeat, never call for reports. It's literally pointless. You tried to start a witch hunt, and Riot frowns upon that sort of negativity. Next time, mute them, report them, and move on to the next game. 1 report has the same effect as 9.

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