Banned for Flaming a Troll, I Look Today and Troll's Still Playing

BlameTheJung·Mar 9, 2018·7 votes·998 views

My pbe account was banned for flaming a troll last night. I deserved it as I didn't hold back, but now I see him playing games today?? Why did I get banned for yelling at a troll when he didn't for trolling?? Something reviewed the game to ban me, does it really not check to see if people are inting down mid??

(context) He was mad lissandra won the One-For-All vote and went jungle liss. He didn't farm just ran around to lanes trolling and laughing, actually inting down mid a few times. He finished the 20 minute game with 5 cs. I called him mean names and deserve to be banned, but why didn't he get punished too? Just the cs amount alone should show he wasn't trying to win...

31 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerMar 9, 20188 votes

Do not concern yourself with others. Their behavior is their own, and only between them and Riot.

If you break the rules, you face the consequences. And flaming, no matter the circumstances, is against the Summoner's Code.

BigBonedCartmanMar 9, 20187 votes

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Do not concern yourself with others. Their behavior is their own, and only between them and Riot.

If you break the rules, you face the consequences. And flaming, no matter the circumstances, is against the Summoner's Code.

lmao he is saying that he got rightfully banned and you think there is not a problem with the liss not being banned? LMAO

Imperial PandaaMar 9, 20184 votes

If it was One for All, a Liss did get banned. :p

LuminevMar 9, 20181 votes

LOL

BlameTheJungMar 9, 20187 votes

If you break the rules, you face the consequences.

That's not true if you're trolling though?

And I'm not trying to get unbanned I think you missed the point of the post, (If I'm replying to a bot mb)

Imperial PandaaMar 9, 20185 votes

Trolling takes longer to punish.

KVbqbFsC8eMar 9, 20183 votes

That implies that trolls are likely to be banned, which simply isn't the case. The issue isn't that it takes "longer", but the fact that they aren't banned at all unless they are trolling often enough to trigger a manual review.

Imperial PandaaMar 9, 20182 votes

Again, I blame the community for that. If people didn't report every simple thing they disagree with as trolling and what not. I also admit my fault in that as well.

KVbqbFsC8eMar 9, 20181 votes

Trolling isn't something an automated system can catch. It doesn't matter if people are reporting less than obvious cases, because its something that has to be manually reviewed anyway. Thats not the fault of the community reporting people.

Imperial PandaaMar 10, 20183 votes

I agree and disagree. A better system could have been made to properly mark the games for review though.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 9, 20188 votes

Trolls are almost never banned, bc this Is "just a bad game". Welcome to Rito logic!

Awf MetaMar 9, 20182 votes

Riot doesn't have enough staff to provide human eyes to every report. Life isn't fair.

I know it's not the answer you want but it is the truth. Not every crime gets punished. (Unless you are religious, then the all knowing and all seeing will surely bring justice.)

BlameTheJungMar 9, 20186 votes

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Riot doesn't have enough staff to provide human eyes to every report. Life isn't fair.

5 cs in 20 minutes is detectable by computer though, as is not farming and afking. I'd even bet some witty coder could find an algorithm for inting (If only the world was full of eager programmers right?) And that's assuming you actually couldn't hire a big enough specialized team to deal with trolling which I think you could making the revenue Riot does.

Also it would be a pretty shitty world if the police arrived at every crime scene and said "Well life isn't fair" and packed up and went home. Even when the killer left a video of his crime...

ModWulf HelhammerMar 9, 20187 votes

5 cs in 20 minutes is detectable by computer though

Ok, then I guess basically every support will get punished for trolling.

BlameTheJungMar 9, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zkfAfwp1,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-09T19:00:31.882+0000)

Ok, then I guess basically every support will get punished for trolling.

He was jungling as I said. And that seems like the very first exception they'd address. Are moderators supposed to hate monger by picking quotes out of context?

AraMoOseMar 9, 20183 votes

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He was jungling as I said. And that seems like the very first exception they'd address. Are moderators supposed to hate monger by picking quotes out of context?

No, they are supposed to moderate by guiding unreasonable people towards a more reasonable position.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 9, 20183 votes

Ok, so how do you determine someone is jungling? Draft pick may make it a little easier, but then people trade roles, so that doesn't work, and in blind pick that option isn't even there.

Smite? We had a whole thing of people getting upset that someone was banned for going smite support, so that's out.

If you think it's so easy, come up with a way to get it right 99.9% of the time, and pitch it to Riot. They'll be grateful for it, I'm sure.

y0r1ckMar 10, 20182 votes

This is exactly why manual review would help so much. A person would be able to distinguish between a jg and support in seconds.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 10, 20184 votes

That's simply not possible. The amount of people you would need to be able to check every intentional feeder/troll report would be astronomical, not to mention the time it would take to do that.

y0r1ckMar 10, 20182 votes

Are you really trying to tell me that riot can't distinguish between junglers and supports automatically?

XidphelMar 10, 20181 votes

And incoming from left field.

CynikulMar 10, 20182 votes

If this is genuinely the case, I find it incredibly unfair that toxicity outweighs trolling. Feeding, inting, basically any form of trolling, IN MY OPINION- if far worse than toxicity. Anyways, sorry about your luck mate, as others have said life is unfair and not every crime is known or punished. Riot probably just missed this one and it unfortunately happened to you...

ModWulf HelhammerMar 10, 20183 votes

toxicity outweighs trolling.

It doesn't; the two are equal.

The thing is: it's much easier to design and implement an AI that has word identification then it is make one that can determine the difference between someone actually getting smashed and doing badly in game, and someone actually intentionally feeding or trolling, especially when people abuse the "griefing" report button for people that weren't actually doing that.

Awf MetaMar 9, 20185 votes

It's easy for you to speculate. Try adding numbers into the situation.

27 million players per day. (Assume they play 1 game per day)

27 million / 10 = 2.7 million games a day

(Assume 1% of games have a report)

2.7 million * .01 = 27,000 reports a day

(Assume average game length 30 minutes)

27000 * 30 = 810,000 minutes of video

810000 / 60 = 13,500 hours of video

(Assume 8 hour work day)

13500 / 8 = 1,687.5 employees required per day

(Assume 7.25 minimum wage = $58 per day per employee)

1687.5 * 58 = $97,875 required per day

97875 * 365 = $35, 724, 375 required per year

Still think Riot can hire a big enough team? EDIT: Is it worthwhile to spend that much money on "policing" a single video game?

BlameTheJungMar 9, 20184 votes

EDIT: You're statistics are too black and white also, they obviously wouldn't watch the entire 30 minute game, and you're treating them like they don't have any computing power beyond looking up and watching games lol.

Awf MetaMar 9, 20184 votes

Do your own math?

The math I did isn't perfect by any means. It could theoretically get a lot worst. I assumed on the lower end of things. For examples: minimum wage is actually higher in California, 1 out of 100 games have a report, no down time in between games, players only playing a single game a day, etc.

Talk shit about me all you want. At least I put in effort. It really doesn't take much effort to say "Riot can afford this, no problem". Or, "Fix this NAOW Riot."

y0r1ckMar 10, 20181 votes

Just because you put in effort, doesn't mean you're right.

Umbral RegentMar 10, 20181 votes

That may be so, but in this case, FailedAbortion is right in that it's beyond infeasible to hire a team to manually review trolling cases. They could've even just said "you can't just throw money at a problem and it'll go away" and they'd still be right. Trolling isn't a problem that can just be magically solved by hiring a team dedicated to reviewing matches.

y0r1ckMar 10, 20181 votes

True, Riot first has to approach the issue as a problem that can be solved.

Umbral RegentMar 10, 20181 votes

In other words, ask Riot to do the impossible. Trolls aren't something that can just be "solved". If that were the case, videogames in their entirety would be completely devoid of trolls.

As long as there is something in the game someone can do to irritate other players - be it a mechanic (Anivia Wall, Trundle Pillar, Tahm Devour), a general gameplay tactic (competing/stealing CS), or what have you - there will virtually always be someone out there who will abuse it.

Riot can fight back against trolls, but they can't solve the problem of trolling. Of course, if you somehow know how to completely and utterly "solve" the Troll problem, you really should speak up.

y0r1ckMar 10, 20181 votes

I'm not saying I know how or that I'd be willing to spend the time to search for a solution. I'm saying if riot doesn't look at it as a problem with a solution then they won't find one. (Like how you say it's impossible, like dismissing the problem without searching for a solution)