I am scared to come back after 14 day ban

Xterixna·Jan 7, 2016·10 votes·4,946 views

So, i got banned for 14 days on the 29th for toxic behavior, and i definitely deserved it. Now, on my days off, i have been researching the Permanent ban phenomenon occurring after the 14 day ban which truly scares me. People in the same scenario as myself, came back with thoughts of being more positive or neutral and received the permanent ban? I'm stuck here and have no idea what to do, i hope the same doesn't happen to me.

EDIT: I am not worried that i will be toxic, I have put a stop on typing to people completely or applauding good plays (been working on my smurf)

42 Comments

disregardableJan 7, 20166 votes

Just don't type anything and you'll be fine. Mute all, drag the box off the screen, don't type. I've been loosening up on that recently now that I've had the account back for over 2 weeks, but the first few games I was too scared to risk instantly tilting.

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

I made a post right when i got banned, and someone said that it is still possible to get perma banned for not even uttering a word

Awkward CouchJan 7, 20162 votes

That's not true. I'll link you this

IF I CAN'T CHAT IN-GAME, WON'T I BE BANNED FOR FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE? Players are never banned for not communicating through chat in-game. In fact, a large portion of our games are completed with very few words being said at all. If you feel you need to communicate to your team, then you should use our improved Smart Ping feature. Smart Ping will allow you to communicate all vital information you might need in a manner that is much quicker than typing. Smart Ping allows the following commands to be given: On My Way, Enemy Missing (MIA), Be Careful, and Assist Me.

However I have seen Riot employees talk about doing things like buying multiple tears, spamming wards on the base etc. getting people banned.

MymMbzKIgCJan 8, 20162 votes

In fact, a large portion of our games are completed with very few words being said at all.

fuck. lying again. jesus christ riot lies so much about player behavior.

DeynaTaggerungJan 8, 20161 votes

But it's true, a lot of people don't really use chat at all, that's fine

PersianShinobiJan 9, 20161 votes

I'd really like to see the data (and see the data collection in process as well as the code behind it, to make sure they're not faking it). They pull statistics out of their ass about every topic while we're supposed to eat it up and blindly follow like sheep. Doesn't really make sense in my opinion.

HEAljvLykdJan 7, 20164 votes

You will get permabanned. Just stop playing now.

Deep Terror NamiJan 7, 20163 votes

The people that came back and went straight to their permaban were still toxic. It only takes one misstep to validate a report, and the severity of that one reported offense is irrelevant if it pushes you over the line. People that just got punished will already be on the line because the only way to diminish your toxic record is by diluting it with non-negative games. Finishing a punishment does not erase your record.

If your problem is toxic chat and you're afraid you might mess up, don't chat for a while. Play a lot of games where the only things you say are positive, or don't say anything.

XterixnaJan 7, 20163 votes

No, i have learned through a smurf to stop feeding negativity and just being neutral or positive, but i have read that you can still be permabanned from previous games, before the ban?

Deep Terror NamiJan 7, 20164 votes

What you probably read was that your prior matches are still on your record. If you're thinking you will log in and an old report will trigger the next punishment without you even playing a match, that won't happen. If by some oversight that is possible and it happens, that's what Support Tickets are for.

XterixnaJan 7, 20163 votes

Oh my, this is exactly what i was talking about, thank you so much for the clarification.

TrulyBlandJan 7, 20161 votes

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The people that came back and went straight to their permaban were still toxic. It only takes one misstep to validate a report, and the severity of that one reported offense is irrelevant if it pushes you over the line. People that just got punished will already be on the line because the only way to diminish your toxic record is by diluting it with non-negative games. Finishing a punishment does not erase your record.

If your problem is toxic chat and you're afraid you might mess up, don't chat for a while. Play a lot of games where the only things you say are positive, or don't say anything.

This. I think a lot of these people thought they still had some time to reform and were trying to slowly become a more positive person, not understanding that it was already a bit too late for "slowly". The fact that you (OP) understand that you are on the edge of a permaban means you have a solid chance of keeping your account. Just pull yourself together and exhibit all the self-control you can bring up.

And remember:

Don't react to trolls. It's not worth it.
Don't respond to ragers. That just starts a flame-war.
Don't ask for reports. The number of reports isn't relevant.

Good luck!

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

Thank you for the response! But, my main issue was that I heard you could get banned after your two week ban due to prior incidents BEFORE the two week ban. I have my toxicity locked in a cage never to be released, again.

TrulyBlandJan 7, 20165 votes

Ah, I see. Just to cover the unlikely scenario: If something like that does happen, it's a mistake and a support ticket should fix that as fast as possible. And it's very nice to see you're this determined to reform. Again, good luck!

Mama SorakaJan 11, 20161 votes

Just to be safe, put that cage inside a box and then put that box inside of another box and then mail that box to yourself and when it arrives... smash it with a hammer.

(Yes that is an Emperor's New Groove quote)

DJColdCutzJan 7, 20163 votes

Don't speak at all in chat. Mute everyone at the beginning of the game if you have to. There are tons of little "negative" technicalities that people can report you for that might get your account flagged for review. And if rito finds the slightest bit of negative/passive aggressive behavior in the chat, then the next punishment you'll receive is a permanent ban.

Don't say "gg game's over." Don't say "ff20." Don't comment on your team's actions, no matter how bad or frustrating they are, to them, to the other team, to no one in particular.. Don't say anything. Use pings only.

If you don't use chat at all, even if someone reports you for something and your account gets flagged, you should be fine. rito reviews accounts before permanently banning them, and if there's no chat, there's not going to be much for them to go on. If you get reported in a game you've used chat in the slightest, I wouldn't trust rito's review process as far as I could throw it that they'll spare you.

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

Yeah i am just going to mute everyone, wish there was a sort of setting for that

DJColdCutzJan 7, 20161 votes

/mute all

Just be careful to type that correctly, because saying something like "m/ute all" is very inflammatory.

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

Hope that works well

The Cut NinjaJun 29, 20181 votes

Omg I say gg and ff all the time... I didnt think it was toxic I'm so getting banned...

JamareeJan 7, 20162 votes

You could try not being toxic?

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

Sorry it wasn't directly stated but i meant to say i was going to be positive or neutral, in the future or just mute people. Sorry.

SarutobiJan 7, 20162 votes

If you are that worried just dont type anything, probably just Mute All the moment you get into a game. Pings can be used as communication so just use that.

DisneylordJan 7, 20162 votes

if you were banned for 14 days even if you say ''idiot'' or something like this youl get perma banned so its like you are alreaedy pearmed anyway

Sythriel DrakenJan 7, 20162 votes

I'm not letting the fear stop me. Since I came back on the first I've had a few false reports for offensive languages (games where the only thing I've said were Jungle, and Ty, when thanking for the leash) and yes, it's pissing me off that riot is allowing this behavior to continue when people who are being super toxic, intentionally feeding, and/or exploiting using scripting software such as bot of legends, which is currently undetectable if fed through a keyboard and mouse, to continue to play the game.

In fact, in the past 3 games I've played this evening I've been hammered with toxic chat, been told that I should kill myself, and had someone laugh in my face as he admitted he was scripting (in a normal game mind you). I'm starting to feel that just because I was on the 14 day ween that my reports are worthless. I'm honestly about to load up my OBS and start streaming my games on twitch just to put them on the boards to prove that riots system is not working as intended on a majority of the toxicity in this game (I was planning on starting that this year anyway).

I love playing this game, and I want it to be a good environment for everyone to play, but right now riots anti toxicity program is falling behind.

Both Heroes of the storm, and Dota 2 are leaps ahead of curbing toxicity at the moment. In the two weeks I was banned, I played Heroes of the storm (been playing on and off since alpha) and toxic players were dealt with in a timely fashion. No false reports were done to me, and all false reports against my account were immediately thrown out without any sort of pop up message.

what I want to see is riot actually care about their reports when they are done, and wait to do anything like a pop up unless it was a legitimate report

Also, if you want someone to play with, feel free to add me :D

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

This is so sweet, add me at "Xterixna" when i can play on Tuesday ^.^!!!! My cousins and I play all the time.

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

I also have heroes (i am really bad, just started), add me at zongron#1805

rand0mredneckJan 7, 20162 votes

Embrace that fear. Every time some jerkoff flames me, or starts calling me names and whatnot, I tell myself "It's not worth the permaban". And it's been working.

qetzelJan 8, 20162 votes

May I say well done for coming to that realisation and working on your behaviour. It takes a lot of work to change. If you were on EUW I would love to play with the new reformed you.

Duro De DawgJan 10, 20162 votes

Unfortunately I feel very close to this. After my first chat restriction, which I wouldn't say deserved, it was understandable. However, after playing the game like a normal person with casual jokes with not a single swear word or negativity directed at anyone. I was placed directly into a 14 suspension and when I returned I just muted everyone and didn't talk. Despite my efforts to avoid riots thirst for punishments I was perma banned. I sent an email and although the staff member could clearly see that it wasn't deserved he would consistently refer back to my old games saying "I read your previous logs and you are getting into unnecessary arguments and you get punished because other players express their distaste in it". He was anything but helpful; assumingly, that this was due to riot publicly announcing that they wouldn't remove punishments for any reason. There is absolutely no reason for this extensive of ignorance and bold punishments. Ultimately, this is abuse by Riot's staff, and it needs to be dealt with, however they see no problem in their flaws and most likely ignore the problems, primarily because its backed with forum trolls that are even more toxic than anything said in game.

RIP Riot Games.

shyvJan 7, 20161 votes

honestly yeah it's pretty terrifying, especially since i love playing off meta things so much and people always say they're going to report me for intentionally feeding. so far nothing has happened but i have gotten warnings from the automated system so i know i have been reported several times, but they were all false reports obviously or i would be permabanned

i mean i have faith in the system because so far i haven't been unfairly banned but ever since i've been banned, every time i log on and it takes more than a couple seconds to load the front page, i panic thinking a reform card is coming. every time something in the client glitches, every time i get a message on my screen, i have a fucking heart attack

i know permabans are reviewed a lot before they're given out but it's still pretty scary. one slip up and i lose everything. trying to not play any off meta things or joke around with my friends anymore just because i'm scared of that.. i don't even say the words bitch or gay in game anymore bc i'm worried i'll get banned for sexism / homophobia if taken out of context

lolptwoJan 7, 20161 votes

Never give in to retaliation. See the report button for more than it is, when people are toxic. Pretend that the report button will get them 100% of the time so there is no need to retaliate. Wait for your moment to get them(use that report button) but never put yourself in the position to be banned, not even telling other people to report someone.

XterixnaJan 7, 20161 votes

Again, my issue is not about being toxic again, it's me getting banned again for something that happened PRIOR to the 14 day ban (has happened to people)

HunkDorlianNAJan 7, 20161 votes

Just got permabanned in this stupid and retarded server. and the trolls are still lingering around, good thing i stopped buying RP 3 years ago since my first permaban

SwallowerJan 7, 20161 votes

Dear HunkDorlianNA,

The fact that you could get permanently banned more than once is surprising and crazy. The amount of toxicity/other behavioral issues needed for that is quite a lot and also insane. It really can reflect what kind of a person you are online.

XterixnaJan 7, 20162 votes

And I'm sure your attitude has nothing to do with it (sarcasm). Getting permabanned twice probably means they don't want you playing the game.

XterixnaJan 7, 20163 votes

And I'm sure your attitude has nothing to do with it (sarcasm). Getting permabanned twice probably means they don't want you playing the game.

SwallowerJan 7, 20161 votes

Honestly, easiest thing to do is to mute everyone. Also, don't type or say anything no matter how frustrated you might get.

JustJaysonJan 7, 20161 votes

I have had several games lately that were extremely toxic. Even an arranged group of 4 in a normal game that said they were all going to report me before laning phase even started and was telling the other team in all chat that i was toxic and to report me.

It happens, its frustrating. You can mute players and rely on pings which helps somewhat. It is always more fun to play with friends and get on teamspeak.

If you are easily irritated and explode on people in chat that say something negative try to just hit mute and go about your game.

I know that I have had people go off on me for saying some constructive criticism(apparently not a good idea to do as everyone thinks their way is the best because it has worked in the past). Soo I no longer tell them anything at all and just watch them implode and start blaming everyone on the team but themselves. Then quietly report them whether win or lose. If you start getting toxic in chat then you are just going to tilt your entire team making it difficult to coordinate any sort of team fight.

TenzosanJan 7, 20161 votes

You have nothing to worry about if you have truly reformed. If you come back and take the necessary steps to blocking out the hate speech and focus solely on the game then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The second you let your fingers start to vent the rage you're building that is when you have proven you deserve the perma-ban.

Steps to help prevent things: type "/mute all" at the start of the game Disable all chat actively use the mute function to block out hate speech instead of typing your anger vocally vent your anger

These steps are not always needed, but they do help prevent a lot of crap.

The Cut NinjaJun 29, 20181 votes

Same here man.. Ive been playing for a while after the 14 day ban and ive been trying really hard but some of my bad games get me terrified and after I finish them I just think "thats the one that gets me banned". I got so scared once I even apologized to someone when I was being rude in game.