Problems with ranked draft dodgers to "possibly" gain a ban advantage

ballisticSOUL99·May 7, 2019·1 votes·4,729 views

Soooo. tell me its not weird how people will sit and wait after hitting a button that confirms the fact the want to SIT and play a match, to only hit decline or dodge? is it for the rest of us to wait? or for your morg ban to not be there hopefully. EX. Your in ranked draft and after all picks are over someone leaves. faster than light speed the queue is ready again and your champ is now banned along with 75% of the champs picked last draft and notice your team is almost half comprised of the same folks.

Anyone else feeling me here? can we fix this?

14 Comments

ThingamajigMay 7, 20191 votes

well there is already a fix 2 dodges in a row and you can't play for half an hour

people dodge because they opgg their team mates and if your mid is jingle main and your jungle main is adc you have practically no chance at winning so they just dodge and wait 5-30min and save themselves 15 lp now it's annoying when they target ban you right after but you can just decline the queue after someone dodges and re-queue 1 minute later queues don't last for more than 4-5 minutes anyway

GatekeeperTDSMay 7, 20191 votes

Anyone else feeling me here? can we fix this?

If you want good replies and good discussion in threads like this, in addition to explaining the problem and what you feel isn't working, you should put forth some thoughts about what could be changed to fix it.

We all know it's frustrating when a game doesn't start, but really, the only thing you've lost is a few minutes and the person who dodged is probably someone you didn't want in your game or on your team anyway. Consider it dodging a bullet.

As Ornndyr2k19 said, if people dodge too much, they get blocked from playing for longer periods. Sometimes it makes the most sense for someone to take the -3LP than be in a game they're not feeling. Ya feel me?

rujitraMay 7, 20192 votes

Easy fix, dodging gives the player who dodged full LP loss as if they had lost the game.

GatekeeperTDSMay 7, 20193 votes

Nah, that's artificially messing with LP. You end up polluting the ladder, same as when people suggest that leavers should take more of an LP hit and stuff like that.

rujitraMay 7, 20191 votes

Champion selection is a part of the game - if you are leaving champion selection because you "lost" in team comp, then that should be counted as a loss.

Leaving already is given a full LP loss, so there's no reason to increase it more than that.

Krissi2197May 7, 20193 votes

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Champion selection is a part of the game - if you are leaving champion selection because you "lost" in team comp, then that should be counted as a loss.

Leaving already is given a full LP loss, so there's no reason to increase it more than that.

I disagree because I feel like something can come up IRL that will require you to step away from the computer and make it so you're unable to play the game.

Hell just the other day in champ select someone apologized they had to dodge because they suddenly got really nauseous and had to go run to the bathroom and didnt think hed make it back in time for the game to begin. So he dodged.

Things come up. You can queue up thinking you have time for a game but then during champ select something comes up and you have to dodge.

I dont think champ select counts as part of the game. In the chat logs it's called "pre game" for a reason. It happens BEFORE the game.

rujitraMay 7, 20191 votes

This is when a determination has to be made - people are punished for AFKing with full losses because there’s no way to determine if it’s an emergency or if someone is leaving for no good reason.

Krissi2197May 7, 20193 votes

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This is when a determination has to be made - people are punished for AFKing with full losses because there’s no way to determine if it’s an emergency or if someone is leaving for no good reason.

Theres a difference between going afk and dodging a game though.

Dodging a game prevents people from wasting their time and only gives the Dodger a penalty. If you go AFK in a game regardless of the reason you are IN THE GAME and deserve the full penalty given which is the LP loss. Not only that but youre also wasting your teams time at that point and causing them all to lose LP as well.

rujitraMay 7, 20191 votes

Dodging still wastes up to 5+ minutes of time because the player has to return to queue.

It furthermore wastes the enemy team’s time too, because the enemy is prohibited from using the benefit they gained in champion select to win the game.

Krissi2197May 7, 20193 votes

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Dodging still wastes up to 5+ minutes of time because the player has to return to queue.

It furthermore wastes the enemy team’s time too, because the enemy is prohibited from using the benefit they gained in champion select to win the game.

I'd rather have to wait another 5 mins than 15 or possibly more if my team decides to not FF.

I dont believe in the whole "the game is lost in champ select" and I believe every game is winnable from minute one... but I dont believe that making a full LP loss on one dodge is fair. After two maybe. But I think people deserve one "free" dodge per day.

rujitraMay 7, 20191 votes

But for some people, it may not be “waiting another 5 minutes”. It may be that they only had time for one game and the 5-10 minutes in queue plus another 50 minute game is not doable - thus them having time for one game turned into a dodge and not having time for another game.

The problem with giving free dodges is not just time - it’s artificially altering the matchmaking and LP system, making it less accurate. Players who are allowed to “free dodge” will necessarily dodge to try and get easier games - making the matchmaking less accurate. Given that team composition is a part of skill, the ability to bypass this should not be acceptable.

Telephone BoothMay 7, 20191 votes

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Easy fix, dodging gives the player who dodged full LP loss as if they had lost the game.

Ooof thats harsh. I hope they dont do that.

Shinji lkariMay 9, 20192 votes

For everyone in this thread trying to get draft dodgers banned, it's not going to work. Want to know why? Because it's only fair. There are times when players threaten to force losses in a game by playing off-meta picks with the intention of inting, or times where the enemy team just has a clear advantage in team composition and your team would simply never win. Instead of wasting everyone's time losing, getting tilted or having a troll player, they have the opportunity to dodge. That is their only opportunity, and the time penalty is already a lot. Sometimes a player who dodged just saved your team a loss.

Also, before you start trying to get players banned, why don't you consult the Riot Support team who has encouraged utilizing the first dodge of the day to deal with troll players in champion select? This was a solution given to me, but players like you would want me to lose all of my LP when I didn't lose anybody's game or displayed a lack of skill.

League of Legends isn't a "punishment ranking system" your behavior does not translate into skill unless you were having an epileptic seizure or smashing things in your room.

ButterwoodMay 7, 20191 votes

I truly only dodge if the team falls apart in pre-game chat or I see I'm queued up with multiple people with abysmal winrates. If I see a 30% WR mid main that was clearly autofilled jungle then I'll take the -3 LP and the wait.