I need a Rioter to solve this!

Tissoulis··1 votes·1,058 views

Greetings. Yesterday I got banned for the first time in my life and I am playing from early Season 2, I never flame and I am not toxic. In the reform card I recieved they say that my comments were excessively inflammatory and offensive. That's clrearly wrong because in the reform card I say nothing in a bad manner. On the other hand 2 players were flaming me and especialy one of them wished death and c***** to my familly. I was telling him to stop it because he will get banned quicker but he wouldn't listen, his friend was literally spamming in the all chat to report me. And here am I with a 14 days suspension for nothing. I've send a ticket of course and the guy in the support said "** From what I could see in the chat log, you were writing quite a lot and our system not only analyzes the offensive words, but also the volume of words used rather than playing the game.** " just by writting a lot it means I wasnt playing? He didnt even seen the replay I had 48% kill participation while Zed and Fizz had under 40%. Sorry am I not allowed to be talkative in the game? I'm very social and I like talking with people. we will get banned now because we are talking a lot? I need help to get my ban lifted!

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rework trundle2 votes

I read the logs and your post, nothing about the comments. This isn't justified at all. I mean you were a bit toxic but you didn't do anything wrong. Everyone can be a little tilted, but I see so much worse and so often. If a Rioter could justify your ban, bump me I'd love to hear the answer. And then if the other guys are banned then it's only fair, even though probably none of them are fair unless they used harsh words

Chermorg2 votes

I'd just like to point you to the fact that the OP has intentionally left out the full story behind both their account and their gameplay. OP is a one trick yi pony who will steal the role of jungle if they are not so assigned in game.

Furthermore, the chat log is not just "a bit toxic", it is in fact heavily toxic, beginning with accusations of flaming/reporting right as the game starts, lying about muting the other players in the game multiple times, and with almost no constructive chat.

If you look at his chat log, it becomes almost certain that he was autofilled support, did not want it, his team would not give him the lane, and as such he decided to fuck them and take smite and go jungle regardless. The team wasn't having any of it and he got reported, now he wonders why he got banned.

Tissoulis1 votes

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I'd just like to point you to the fact that the OP has intentionally left out the full story behind both their account and their gameplay. OP is a one trick yi pony who will steal the role of jungle if they are not so assigned in game.

Furthermore, the chat log is not just "a bit toxic", it is in fact heavily toxic, beginning with accusations of flaming/reporting right as the game starts, lying about muting the other players in the game multiple times, and with almost no constructive chat.

If you look at his chat log, it becomes almost certain that he was autofilled support, did not want it, his team would not give him the lane, and as such he decided to fuck them and take smite and go jungle regardless. The team wasn't having any of it and he got reported, now he wonders why he got banned.

Lol those accusations have no limit. It's heavily toxic? Well thats not what the Support Specialist said to me so you should learn to think a little bit better. Accusing someone of flaming is punishable? Now I've seen it all, since the guy flamed me at the 10th second of the game. Also I did not lie about muting them, I said I removed the mute after 5 minutes. Thank god you're not in the Support Team either. I hope I won't get you in my games after 11 days. :) Also keep in mind I can play whichever hero I want in whichever lane I would be assigned. The lesson of this ban was the follwing. When you're titled from the last game and you get auto-filled support you can just pick the hero you want and stay in the lane like its ok. If the team flame you don't answer back because it will make you toxic as well. :) Thanks for clearing this out for me. I will just pick support Yi again if I dont feel like playing support and will just mute all. The Support team can not say that I was trolling if I play normal just with a hero who is not ment by the normal stanrds to be support. So yea. :)

Koonta Kintae2 votes

Let's see here, verbal abuse, harassment, rude toward other players, foul language, inappropriate sexual references, negative attitude

LOL

summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11

10/10 Would ban! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Tissoulis1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Koonta Kintae,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zdmLEREb,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-05-30T03:39:02.283+0000)

Let's see here, verbal abuse, harassment, rude toward other players, foul language, inappropriate sexual references, negative attitude

LOL

summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11

10/10 Would ban! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Unless of course you're not joking I am glad you're not in the Player Behavior Team.

ModPeriscope1 votes

If you want, you can share the chat logs and we can discuss whether a punishment was warranted.

Aeszarck1 votes

Can you post the chat log here?

ME UNGA ME SMASH1 votes

Usually, people with this complaint post the chat logs from the game.

Also usually, when people post them, it's easy to tell if they deserved a ban. Your move Tissoulis

Tissoulis1 votes

Game 1 Tissoulis: flame me more irelia :) Tissoulis: ur ban will be quicker Tissoulis: i am not Tissoulis: he is just flaming my family Tissoulis: kk :) Tissoulis: cuz u are not the one who is being flamed Tissoulis: muted all bb Tissoulis: i am taking this Tissoulis: i can just sit here Tissoulis: idc Tissoulis: and i have muted ya Tissoulis: oups Tissoulis: :( Tissoulis: so u may lose quicker as i told u in the lobby Tissoulis: hahah Tissoulis: nice more for report Tissoulis: u are plat v Tissoulis: same with gold Tissoulis: and u have mmr gold Tissoulis: with mmr gold Tissoulis: thats wrose Tissoulis: its like a silver V Tissoulis: making fun of someone who is gold 23 Tissoulis: i need only 20 hours to get to plat Tissoulis: soooo Tissoulis: suck on it Tissoulis: i told u did not want support none wanted to give me the lane i asked nicly and u all started flaming me Tissoulis: next time give the man what he needs Tissoulis: rly? Tissoulis: irelia didnt flamed? Tissoulis: yea Tissoulis: if u were smarter than me someone could go sup Tissoulis: it was obvious Tissoulis: when i said i play onmly jungle Tissoulis: said the 0-2 Tissoulis: pro irelia :D Tissoulis: lel :D Tissoulis: ive seen that so many times Tissoulis: gets boring xD Tissoulis: the only thing u do irelia is flame me Tissoulis: just so to let u know i've recieved instant feedback a guy which i reported last gamr for flame Tissoulis: got banned Tissoulis: he flamed my family like u Tissoulis: i am not trolling Tissoulis: i dont think u sh Tissoulis: i dont thing u should report me cuz i did not to play sup Tissoulis: 22 Tissoulis: tell me a reason to lie to you Tissoulis: who does lie about his age rofl Tissoulis: that dmg damn ;p Tissoulis: 400 with a crti Tissoulis: you know, asking for reports its also punishable Tissoulis: i am not doing it on purpose bro Tissoulis: they would have given me the role Tissoulis: many have done it Tissoulis: so mad :D Tissoulis: i would have muted ya guys but i wanted to see what u will say to offend me Tissoulis: dont flame then Tissoulis: if u dont care Tissoulis: u have no right to wish cancer to my family! Tissoulis: no

Here you go guys. It only 1 Game. Where do you see flame or offence from me in those logs?

Navarune2 votes

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Game 1

Tissoulis: muted all bb Tissoulis: i am taking this Tissoulis: i can just sit here Tissoulis: idc Tissoulis: and i have muted ya Tissoulis: oups Tissoulis: :( Tissoulis: so u may lose quicker as i told u in the lobby Tissoulis: hahah Tissoulis: nice more for report

[SNIP]

Tissoulis: i told u did not want support none wanted to give me the lane i asked nicly and u all started flaming me Tissoulis: next time give the man what he needs

[SNIP]

Tissoulis: said the 0-2 Tissoulis: pro irelia :D

[SNIP]

Tissoulis: they would have given me the role Tissoulis: many have done it Tissoulis: so mad :D Tissoulis: i would have muted ya guys but i wanted to see what u will say to offend me

All of these are questionable at best, considering we can't see what exactly you are responding to.

  1. Stating you are muting someone is treated similarly to asking for reports
  2. Second quoted section makes it sound like you are potentially griefing or intentionally feeding, or at the very least not putting forth any effort.
  3. Third section is a directed attack towards the Irelia player.
  4. Fourth section is included as it bears similar elements as the first two sections.

Honestly, all in all this one game alone doesn't look like enough to garner a ban, but then you posted only THIS game in particular. There are likely other factors from other games that combined with this one to warrant your punishment.

Tissoulis1 votes

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All of these are questionable at best, considering we can't see what exactly you are responding to.

  1. Stating you are muting someone is treated similarly to asking for reports
  2. Second quoted section makes it sound like you are potentially griefing or intentionally feeding, or at the very least not putting forth any effort.
  3. Third section is a directed attack towards the Irelia player.
  4. Fourth section is included as it bears similar elements as the first two sections.

Honestly, all in all this one game alone doesn't look like enough to garner a ban, but then you posted only THIS game in particular. There are likely other factors from other games that combined with this one to warrant your punishment.

Since when saying someone that he is muted is a bad thing? I said it so he wont waste any time writting on me, I do that almost always and i've not been banned, so why now? About the second section, I've stated later in which you can see in the log that I did not did anything on purpose. I'm in MOBA's over 10 ten years I never fed or trolled. I'm totaly against it. Irelia was the one who wished c***** and death to my familly, that wasn't an attack was a deffence.And no there aren't any other games in the reform card it says only " 1 Game ".

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

While the reform card may have only shown one game, they don't necessarily show all games that a player was reported in. Obviously, I don't know anything about your account, being that I do not have access to that information/am not with Riot, so there may have been previous reports on your account that simply were not included in the Reform Card. The RCs show recent matches, so if you had any that were older, it's possible that they weren't shown. Or, you may not have had any. I honestly have no idea. Have you had any chat restrictions prior to this ban? I see where you said you haven't been banned before, but they will escalate up to a ban if a player receives multiple punishments in a short time span (typically chat restrictions) or if they are showing a pattern of progression of behavior.

And while there is nothing outright flaming in this match, there is a fair bit of negativity in it. The first report category encompasses negative behaviors, not just verbal negativity. Behaviors like farming your own team's jungle so much that you put your jungler so far behind that it made sure that he had an item deficit. Even the Smite Support Singed and Nunu didn't farm their own jungle to within ten neutral minions of their jungler, nor did they steal the first buff from their own jungler at level one. It really doesn't look good when you do that, and then have this "Tissoulis: when i said i play onmly jungle" in your logs. It makes it look like you tried to switch roles, he said no, and then you went out of your way to ruin the match. Whether that is what you did or not, in the future, I would recommend not taking smite and feeding your own team's buff to the enemy top laner. I see plenty of matches where you played Blitzcrank as a support in your match history. So, you do know how to play a conventional support. You may not like it, but everyone has to support sometime. It's a part of playing the game.

One last thing to keep in mind, I'm not sure what was said in the pre-game lobby as this "Tissoulis: so u may lose quicker as i told u in the lobby" is the only reference to it, but that doesn't look very good. And while the lobby chats are not provided with the Reform Cards, they are stored, and can be reviewed by Player Support. If something was said that was particularly bad, and the players happened to screenshot it, it's possible that they submitted it in along with their report in the post-game lobby. The IFS is what sends you the Reform Card, but if the Support Specialist reviewed your case and read the pre-game lobby and saw something elaborating on throwing the match, they likely would not have looked too favorably on it.

Tissoulis1 votes

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While the reform card may have only shown one game, they don't necessarily show all games that a player was reported in. Obviously, I don't know anything about your account, being that I do not have access to that information/am not with Riot, so there may have been previous reports on your account that simply were not included in the Reform Card. The RCs show recent matches, so if you had any that were older, it's possible that they weren't shown. Or, you may not have had any. I honestly have no idea. Have you had any chat restrictions prior to this ban? I see where you said you haven't been banned before, but they will escalate up to a ban if a player receives multiple punishments in a short time span (typically chat restrictions) or if they are showing a pattern of progression of behavior.

And while there is nothing outright flaming in this match, there is a fair bit of negativity in it. The first report category encompasses negative behaviors, not just verbal negativity. Behaviors like farming your own team's jungle so much that you put your jungler so far behind that it made sure that he had an item deficit. Even the Smite Support Singed and Nunu didn't farm their own jungle to within ten neutral minions of their jungler, nor did they steal the first buff from their own jungler at level one. It really doesn't look good when you do that, and then have this "Tissoulis: when i said i play onmly jungle" in your logs. It makes it look like you tried to switch roles, he said no, and then you went out of your way to ruin the match. Whether that is what you did or not, in the future, I would recommend not taking smite and feeding your own team's buff to the enemy top laner. I see plenty of matches where you played Blitzcrank as a support in your match history. So, you do know how to play a conventional support. You may not like it, but everyone has to support sometime. It's a part of playing the game.

One last thing to keep in mind, I'm not sure what was said in the pre-game lobby as this "Tissoulis: so u may lose quicker as i told u in the lobby" is the only reference to it, but that doesn't look very good. And while the lobby chats are not provided with the Reform Cards, they are stored, and can be reviewed by Player Support. If something was said that was particularly bad, and the players happened to screenshot it, it's possible that they submitted it in along with their report in the post-game lobby. The IFS is what sends you the Reform Card, but if the Support Specialist reviewed your case and read the pre-game lobby and saw something elaborating on throwing the match, they likely would not have looked too favorably on it.

Hello there. Yea in the same day I've just finished playing 25 games because I was chat-banned, it's ok I deserved them I was a little toxic. I think the last game is the 3rd after I was be able to talk without a limit I do not remember being toxic in the previous game. I rarely am. But even so what I did in the game why should affect my ban? It's different category. And I don't think there is a rule who forbits to play double jungle or I am forbit to take the other's creeps. And yes it's a fact I was maining support, I just did not want to play support in this week, month or season I don't feel like it. There is no rule for that. I want to win and I can play whatever I want as long I do not feed on purpose. Also I just remembered that my Fizz as long I have him muted he was telling the enemy team my location.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Then that is why you were given a 14 day suspension and not another chat restriction by the IFS. From the Support Site's Instant Feedback System FAQs:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

If you've just come off a 25 game chat restriction, but you keep getting reported and you have the sorts of things in your chat that you had, then yes, it would bump you to the next level. Ordinarily, it might have given you just a chat restriction, as many of the other commenters have said, but you just came off of one.

The thing about double jungling, or taking creeps from your jungler, is that it's perfectly fine... if you communicate that with your team in advance, and the team agrees on the strategy. If one player decides to do it, without anyone else agreeing to it, it's not going to help the team win anymore. As a Yi Jungle main, how would you like it if your support was farming your jungle to the point where you couldn't finish items? Look at how many of the jungle mobs you took? It's as if you literally cleared half the jungle from him each clear. You cannot do that in a match if your teammate does not agree to it, and not expect to be reported and/or punished for it. If you choose to play whatever you want without communicating with your team, you do risk consequences. If you choose to ignore the role you were drafted into because you don't feel like it, you risk consequences. If you want to play Yi support, get a targon's, wait til you hit 6, then have roaming support nightmare ganks. But don't ruin the match for your jungler and adc, from the very beginning because you don't want to support.

ModPeriscope1 votes

So, if it's just 1 game, I'm thinking you just got off a 14-day ban. Anything that's considered punishable after a 14-day ban would get you the permanent ban. I think the biggest punishable action you do is that you pretty clearly indicate that you're not trying to win. You state you didn't want to go support, and picked jungle Yi alongside a jungle Fizz on your team. No where here do you indicate that you thought this strategy would help your team win, or how it would help your team at all. You also threaten other players with reports, which you already know is reportable and at times punishable.

Tissoulis: just so to let u know i've recieved (sic) instant feedback a guy which i reported last gamr for flame Tissoulis: got banned Tissoulis: he flamed my family like u

Further, all but two lines are either toxic or meaningless banter. You in no way tried to diffuse the situation between you and the rest of your team; everything you did was meant to illicit a reaction out of someone on your team. "Tissoulis: that dmg damn ;p 400 with a crti" Those are the only two lines which indicate any sort of helpful information in your game.

Tissoulis1 votes

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So, if it's just 1 game, I'm thinking you just got off a 14-day ban. Anything that's considered punishable after a 14-day ban would get you the permanent ban. I think the biggest punishable action you do is that you pretty clearly indicate that you're not trying to win. You state you didn't want to go support, and picked jungle Yi alongside a jungle Fizz on your team. No where here do you indicate that you thought this strategy would help your team win, or how it would help your team at all. You also threaten other players with reports, which you already know is reportable and at times punishable. Tissoulis: got banned Tissoulis: he flamed my family like u

Further, all but two lines are either toxic or meaningless banter. You in no way tried to diffuse the situation between you and the rest of your team; everything you did was meant to illicit a reaction out of someone on your team. "Tissoulis: that dmg damn ;p 400 with a crti" Those are the only two lines which indicate any sort of helpful information in your game.

And I am saying AGAIN maybe for 10th time. The gameplay has nothing to do with the ban for being toxic while I wasn't, or writting a lot is considered that toxic as well? (Rhetorical question of course). I was trying to win, I stated earlier that I wasn't dying on purpose, I just couldn't play good while they were acting rude to me. I am in no obligation to indicate anything. And I do told them I would report them if they continue flaming me since we analise it so much my intention as you can see was good, I said it to make them stop in order to have a normal game without all the hate and flame.And no asking for report is punishable not stating that you will report. If no prove me I am wrong. All the other lines were toxic? I think you need glasses mate. No i wasn't trying to making someone angry. I just wanted to play my champion and the others flamed me for that because he was not the stuitable for the role. I did not picked him because I wanted to make them angry, that would be a waste of my time.

ModPeriscope1 votes

So how soon after your last punishment did this happen?

Tissoulis1 votes

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So how soon after your last punishment did this happen?

3 games after the chat-ban ended. Having the chat ban couldn't say more, lets say even I am a toxic person I would prefer to say something else rather than flame since I could talk every 4 minutes.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I see. They do punish pretty quickly when you have an offense really soon after getting off a punishment.

I am with you on the gameplay part. Weird picks can sometimes work. It's the intent I've pointed out. You may not be obligated to explain a strategy, but in all of your chat, you don't say a word about strategy (save 2 lines), instead arguing with teammates. To me, that says you have a higher priority of arguing instead of trying to win the game.

so you may lose quicker

This line in particular indicates you're not trying to win.

All the other lines were toxic?

I said all but two lines were dedicated to arguing or harassing a teammate. I wouldn't want that chat in my game. It's not helpful, and it clearly was instigating another teammate. You could have muted and stopped chatting; you chose not to do so.

You disagree with most people's assessments here, so I'd suggest writing a support ticket if you haven't already done so.

Tissoulis1 votes

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I see. They do punish pretty quickly when you have an offense really soon after getting off a punishment.

I am with you on the gameplay part. Weird picks can sometimes work. It's the intent I've pointed out. You may not be obligated to explain a strategy, but in all of your chat, you don't say a word about strategy (save 2 lines), instead arguing with teammates. To me, that says you have a higher priority of arguing instead of trying to win the game.

This line in particular indicates you're not trying to win.

I said all but two lines were dedicated to arguing or harassing a teammate. I wouldn't want that chat in my game. It's not helpful, and it clearly was instigating another teammate. You could have muted and stopped chatting; you chose not to do so.

You disagree with most people's assessments here, so I'd suggest writing a support ticket if you haven't already done so.

With what psychology I should go " hey guys lets go win this " since Irelia was wishing death and c****r to my familly and everything I love? No I was not harassing anyone and yes I argued with Fizz only about three things: One my age, two my division and three the role I was assigned. I've muted them all at first and then I unmuted them having a hope that we could communicate as a team. I've already sent a ticket the moment I was banned and he replied saying that I was only talking not playing and then saying the same phrase dont fight the fire with the fire. He was talking generaly and not specific. he said this " From what I could see in the chat log, you were writing quite a lot and our system not only analyzes the offensive words, but also the volume of words used rather than playing the game. "

I Snipe I1 votes

Tissoulis: suck on it

I Snipe I1 votes

While super annoying, like on an unimaginable level, I don't think you should be suspended. Stop typing and arguing so much though. You sound extremely stupid in that chat log.

Tissoulis1 votes

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While super annoying, like on an unimaginable level, I don't think you should be suspended. Stop typing and arguing so much though. You sound extremely stupid in that chat log.

You should see how the other four was talking to me. If you think I was annoying then the other will truly surpise you. :) I was dealing with four people against me. Even the enemy team was in my side.

Chønklord1 votes

Others being toxic/flaming/griefing you does not excuse you to do the same.

This isn't a schoolyard playground.

Tissoulis1 votes

Sniper said I was annoying because I was talking a lot but the things I've said werent even close to be called toxic or offensive.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Seems warranted.

As the mail said, focus less in angry typing at your teammates.

Tissoulis1 votes

Where do you see angry typing? I am the one who is getting flamed here.

PresBushDid7111 votes

Don't think it needs a rioter. You were auto filled support. You died at 3:00 mins deep in top lane. 6:00 mins die in jungle beside raptor's

You trolled because you got autofilled. Your chat in a couple of lines passively imply that you wouldn't be doing what you were doing if they had switched with you.

You tried to get around the system by not being toxic in chat, building items.... unfortunately you can't hide your game play.

Edit: I looked at it even further and I feel bad for your adc. They had a valiant effort, actually got the first kill in a 2 v1 (but then got killed by the supp). They went fairly even against a xen/thresh lane. You on the other hand never had a kill or death in bot lane all game. First tower went down at 9 mins, which I am going to assume was bot tower. So you cost the team dragon control, a good performance by your adc and allowed the enemy team to pressure the other lanes (the other two towers fell shortly after).

Tissoulis1 votes

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Don't think it needs a rioter. You were auto filled support. You died at 3:00 mins deep in top lane. 6:00 mins die in jungle beside raptor's

You trolled because you got autofilled. Your chat in a couple of lines passively imply that you wouldn't be doing what you were doing if they had switched with you.

You tried to get around the system by not being toxic in chat, building items.... unfortunately you can't hide your game play.

Firstly the reason they banned me is for being negative,toxic, offensive and all that. We agreed that I wasn't and we passed that. Secondly, whats wrong for trying to dive the top laner with me having red buff I left him with 20 hp or so. Thridly in the chat I imply that we would not reach this situation of getting me flamed by all the team and no I was not trolling you're more than welcome to check the replay as I stated in the game log which you can see that I wasn't trolling. I have 9 deaths, Caitlins has 12, Zed 11 and Irelia 10. Fourthly since I wasn't being toxic why should I even try to get around the system which does not tolerate toxic behavior? About the game, this has nothing to do with the ban I recieved for " Negative, flaming, offensive attitude" and all that.

PresBushDid7111 votes

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Firstly the reason they banned me is for being negative,toxic, offensive and all that. We agreed that I wasn't and we passed that. Secondly, whats wrong for trying to dive the top laner with me having red buff I left him with 20 hp or so. Thridly in the chat I imply that we would not reach this situation of getting me flamed by all the team and no I was not trolling you're more than welcome to check the replay as I stated in the game log which you can see that I wasn't trolling. I have 9 deaths, Caitlins has 12, Zed 11 and Irelia 10. Fourthly since I wasn't being toxic why should I even try to get around the system which does not tolerate toxic behavior? About the game, this has nothing to do with the ban I recieved for " Negative, flaming, offensive attitude" and all that.

We didn't agree you weren't being negative. Before I even checked your game I got the impression from your chat that you werent trying to win.

What's wrong is that you were support, not jungle. You started red... no where near your adc, then went top. You were basically dual jungling which is obvious not what the team decided pregame.

What is the replay going to show me? Was my description of events inaccurate? Catlin had 12 deaths? Imagine that, 2 v 1ing + their jungle gank ing her. With all that she still managed kills in the bot lane.

You were in fact negative, you were trolling. The fact that you think throwing a hiss fit in ranked because you got autofilled is going to get you far... well get ready for that perma.

Edit: It is also rather easy to see the trolls when they jump to kda as a defense... when they have an actual team comp they agreed on obviously the adc is going to have many deaths. Likewise, mid will once they rotate mid and now have 4, while you complain in chat about how it wouldn't of happened if you got your role.

Edit II: It also explains your opening line where you say "flame me more Irelia". I am fairly certain that their smite Yi supp just feeding red buff and a kill to their top lane may have annoyed them.

Tissoulis1 votes

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We didn't agree you weren't being negative. Before I even checked your game I got the impression from your chat that you werent trying to win.

What's wrong is that you were support, not jungle. You started red... no where near your adc, then went top. You were basically dual jungling which is obvious not what the team decided pregame.

What is the replay going to show me? Was my description of events inaccurate? Catlin had 12 deaths? Imagine that, 2 v 1ing + their jungle gank ing her. With all that she still managed kills in the bot lane.

You were in fact negative, you were trolling. The fact that you think throwing a hiss fit in ranked because you got autofilled is going to get you far... well get ready for that perma.

Edit: It is also rather easy to see the trolls when they jump to kda as a defense... when they have an actual team comp they agreed on obviously the adc is going to have many deaths. Likewise, mid will once they rotate mid and now have 4, while you complain in chat about how it wouldn't of happened if you got your role.

Edit II: It also explains your opening line where you say "flame me more Irelia". I am fairly certain that their smite Yi supp just feeding red buff and a kill to their top lane may have annoyed them.

Well your impression is mistaken I always want to win and If I don't it's ok so what its a game, if I wanted to troll I would do so I a way that anyone can see clearly, this isn't the situation. The game play-style has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they flamed me, they being toxic and negative, not me. I get banned for flaming not trolling or inting. What you say of what I did it was a very bad play from me because I had to endure all the hate coming from my team and as the Riot Games Player Support Specialists say when you flame someone you're not encouraging them to be better but worse. The fact that I took yi as support with smite has nothing to do with the ban I recieved with reason toxic, negative, offensive. I've played yi in all lanes because I can and I want and most of times I've won even with Yi as adc but of course when you're winning who cares, who cares if you played Yi Support when you've won the game. And don't say they wouldn't have reported me if we have won the game because they believe it's all about win or lose. If we have won the game they wouldn't care, it's a matter of perspective. They went angry, why they went angry, because we would lose and what happens when someone loses? He is demoted and losing points. If they have won they wouldn't care.

Edit 1: 10 days ago I played Yi as ADC http://prntscr.com/fdk3h0 all were spamming the same old phrase " report yi " , "c***** yi " death wishes especially that Lux. But when we started getting the upper hand suddnely all stop it. Why? Because they were winning. So who cares when you play as long you win. Thats all about when you win you don't flame when you lose you flame. Thats the majority of League of Legends community. Thanks.

PresBushDid7111 votes

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Well your impression is mistaken I always want to win and If I don't it's ok so what its a game, if I wanted to troll I would do so I a way that anyone can see clearly, this isn't the situation. The game play-style has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they flamed me, they being toxic and negative, not me. I get banned for flaming not trolling or inting. What you say of what I did it was a very bad play from me because I had to endure all the hate coming from my team and as the Riot Games Player Support Specialists say when you flame someone you're not encouraging them to be better but worse. The fact that I took yi as support with smite has nothing to do with the ban I recieved with reason toxic, negative, offensive. I've played yi in all lanes because I can and I want and most of times I've won even with Yi as adc but of course when you're winning who cares, who cares if you played Yi Support when you've won the game. And don't say they wouldn't have reported me if we have won the game because they believe it's all about win or lose. If we have won the game they wouldn't care, it's a matter of perspective. They went angry, why they went angry, because we would lose and what happens when someone loses? He is demoted and losing points. If they have won they wouldn't care.

Then continue on. I've told you the problems, and just like in gamr, you insist you'll do things your way.

I've said my piece, your ban doesn't effect me, so carry on.

Tissoulis1 votes

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Then continue on. I've told you the problems, and just like in gamr, you insist you'll do things your way.

I've said my piece, your ban doesn't effect me, so carry on.

As my ban doesn't effect you so it applies on me too. How I acted in the game has nothing to do with the fact that I was banned for being toxic while I wasn't.

PresBushDid7112 votes

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As my ban doesn't effect you so it applies on me too. How I acted in the game has nothing to do with the fact that I was banned for being toxic while I wasn't.

Well I thought you were, at least one teammate thought so, and riot thought so. So once again, continue on doing as you are doing... I'll see you when you are posting "my account was perma..."

Tissoulis1 votes

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Well I thought you were, at least one teammate thought so, and riot thought so. So once again, continue on doing as you are doing... I'll see you when you are posting "my account was perma..."

No, Riot didn't even bother to check. That was all the system as the Support Specialist said. " Our system not only detects certain words, but It also detects the volume of your words " Yea remind me next time to let them flame me freely and not say something like " hey stop it " or so. Hmm maybe If I mute all my team from the start will also get me banned? Can we talk or not? What will happen if I mute in everygame my team and they report me for being " negative " because I wasn't talking? I guess they will ban me as well because that who you are guys. When someone reports anyone for anything there is no way he could be wrong. What is here a pre-school class?

Chermorg1 votes

I think the comments below strike the nail on the head. Riot has a zero tolerance policy for trolling, and you certainly trolled (stolen the jungle role after being assigned a different one). It's evident from the game's publicly viewable statistics that the ban was justified.

Your claim that because the ban reason in client was just "chat negativity" means it was invalid is like a murderer who got charged with 2nd degree murder claiming "well I actually committed 1st degree murder so you can't convict me". It's absurd and stupid.

Further, your response with hostility to people trying to explain this to you shows that you don't really want anything but people to agree with you, which is not the purpose of the boards. Have fun not playing League on this account anymore, you don't deserve it after showing you can't be respectful of others and the ranked system.

ModPeriscope1 votes

They have a zero tolerance of hate speech. This wouldn't be in that same category.

Going with off-meta builds isn't punishable. I haven't read any posts from players stealing roles and were told they were punished specifically for stealing roles. It's lacking an intent to win that's reportable, Imo.

Chermorg1 votes

They have multiple zero-tolerance policies. Account sharing, hate speech, trolling, intentional feeding, etc.

This case is exactly the case of support nunu being banned for counterjungling. However, support nunu wasn't trolling, just playing off-meta (but everyone hated him for stealing roles).

OP here decided to intentionally troll a game and completely ignore his assigned role. That's part of the reason, if not the full reason, he got a perma.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I think I can agree with most, but trolling? That just sounds too general. Has any rioter or arbiter ever said that trolling is zero tolerance, or requires an escalated punishment?

This player did not receive a permanent ban. His punishment was 14 days following a chat restriction.

Chermorg1 votes

It's intended to be general to give Rioters leeway to issue punishment based on it or not based on subjectivity.

Further, as he only received one chat log (as we're led to believe), this must have been a manual punishment. As there's nothing in the chat log that shows why it would be escalated, it leads me to assume that it was a manual punishment for intentional feeding and/or trolling that was either entered wrong or glitched to give a reform card where one would not normally been given.

Regardless, there is a zero-tolerance policy for anything trolling - including stealing roles, intentional feeding, running down mid, spamming emotes while team is fighting, etc. Riot probably took one look at OPs account and said "yeah this guy needs to stop being a one trick yi jungler and start playing his assigned role" and issued the ban because of that.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Hate speech, intentional feeding, and account sharing all are pretty specific. I still don't think any Rioter has ever said that they have a "zero-tolerance policy for trolling."

Edit: Nvm, here it is: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ebWsBPQs-trolling-banable?comment=0004

Chermorg1 votes

I was looking for that post but stopped because I got a text from someone then forgot to keep looking.

I think bottom line is Riot gives their team the authority to do what is necessary in their opinion - some people get banned for one game, some don't get banned for 5+ if they're reforming.

It all depends. I think they made the right call in this case.

Tissoulis1 votes

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I was looking for that post but stopped because I got a text from someone then forgot to keep looking.

I think bottom line is Riot gives their team the authority to do what is necessary in their opinion - some people get banned for one game, some don't get banned for 5+ if they're reforming.

It all depends. I think they made the right call in this case.

Yea ban a guy who was deffending himself from those teammates who were wishing death and cancer to my familly and let them play freely having those things said. All for just 1 game. Congrats guys.

Chermorg1 votes

Firefighters don't fight fire with fire, they fight with water. Similarly you should fight toxicity by remaining neutral, muting them if necessary, and ignoring it.

The problem is not that you let them say the things. The problem is that you did not make use of the in-game mute feature, and furthermore not only did you not mute, but you actively trolled a game stealing a role you were not assigned.

Tissoulis1 votes

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It's intended to be general to give Rioters leeway to issue punishment based on it or not based on subjectivity.

Further, as he only received one chat log (as we're led to believe), this must have been a manual punishment. As there's nothing in the chat log that shows why it would be escalated, it leads me to assume that it was a manual punishment for intentional feeding and/or trolling that was either entered wrong or glitched to give a reform card where one would not normally been given.

Regardless, there is a zero-tolerance policy for anything trolling - including stealing roles, intentional feeding, running down mid, spamming emotes while team is fighting, etc. Riot probably took one look at OPs account and said "yeah this guy needs to stop being a one trick yi jungler and start playing his assigned role" and issued the ban because of that.

Rioters said they can not deside whether someone is trolling or not unless he says so like most people do. And I'm saying in the chat-log which I provided " I dont do it on purpose bro " I was talking to the enemy team. And this was the first time I refused to play a valid support champion because I was tilted by some other players who were flaming me or eachother you are welcome to check my account. And no it was not manual a Player Support Specialist informed me that I was banned by their automaticaly system IFS saying that it desides whether you were doing something against our ToU, and if necessary, applies a punishment. Yea is that IFS a living machine or something? No of course they did not look my account because I was banned right after the game. And I say again this was the first time doing such a thing. The fact is I never been auto-filled Support while I was playing Master Yi. I've been auto-filled anything else but Support.

Chermorg1 votes

"Rioters said" - provide a link to where they said this. They have banned people for role-stealing, a form of trolling before (see: Nunu Support). You did steal jungle on purpose, you took smite when another player also did.

More than likely the support ticket was a canned response and the person providing said response didn't actually look at your account. However, please know that, as provided multiple times above, it only takes one game of extreme role-stealing or trolling to get banned for it. It doesn't matter what you've been auto or otherwise filled, I find it hard to believe that every one of the past 20+ games on your account you've gotten jungle. More than likely you stole someone's role, and to us here on the boards it looks immensely like you did.

Tissoulis1 votes

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"Rioters said" - provide a link to where they said this. They have banned people for role-stealing, a form of trolling before (see: Nunu Support). You did steal jungle on purpose, you took smite when another player also did.

More than likely the support ticket was a canned response and the person providing said response didn't actually look at your account. However, please know that, as provided multiple times above, it only takes one game of extreme role-stealing or trolling to get banned for it. It doesn't matter what you've been auto or otherwise filled, I find it hard to believe that every one of the past 20+ games on your account you've gotten jungle. More than likely you stole someone's role, and to us here on the boards it looks immensely like you did.

I told you Its the first time I am stealing someones role but you don't want to understand it. It would be better to stop commenting on my post because you're making me angry with your attitude towards me. And making someone feel angry just by throwing some random stuff at him is not good neither polite. You of all people should know it. :)

Chermorg1 votes

And I (and others) have shown how stealing someone's role, even once, can lead to a punishment. You're lucky it isn't a perma. Also, I'd be careful, because Tantram patrols these forums and it's not unheard of for him to bump people to permas who have not shown remorse or have shown similar behavior after being punished. Just advice for you :)

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