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Honor 0 - bans: 0

weltmaxx··1 votes·526 views

Got a 10 game chat restriction, honor 1. Reformed back and got rewards enabled but was still kept on honor 1 for some reason. Got another 10 game chat restriction about a month later after 150 games, now honor 0. Now have 70+ muted games since I took the enter button out so I can't flame trolls/borderline trolls. The fact you can get honor 0 for 6 toxic games in the space of like 200 is vile (3 short term toxic games is a 10 game chat restriction + the time it takes for ban penalty to reset back to 10 game chat restriction + honor 1 to honor 2 = about 200 games).

Anyway took my enter button away. Fuck communication with the amount of smurf/old player trollers in high silver/low gold because they can't climb on more than 1 account/for more than 1 season. I'd rather focus on my rewards and use pings, rather than communicate well with players who actually want to win with trolls also in the mix. I don't have enough self control to watch somebody intentionally lose my 30-40 minute game and know that Riot's system wont punish them unless they run down mid with troll items and say they are doing so. FeelsBadMan.

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Chermorg3 votes

The honor level measures your sportsmanship over time. A high honor level represents someone who is cool under pressure and calm and polite in every game. If you are chat restricted not once but twice, you certainly haven't shown yet that you have a high level of sportsmanship over time

Dragfin1 votes

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The honor level measures your sportsmanship over time. A high honor level represents someone who is cool under pressure and calm and polite in every game. If you are chat restricted not once but twice, you certainly haven't shown yet that you have a high level of sportsmanship over time

You people act like chat restrictions only evolve from the punished player when in reality there are so many underlying causes that never get talked about because the actual people in charge have no integrity or common sense.

I could care less about the fluff you are going to send me because it will make me throw up if you talk about proof without acknowledging the underlying problems that do exist, proof or not.

There has to be a better way that is more fair. I am not sure what that is but you people who ignore the underlying causes of chat restrictions make me sick. Those are to blame as much as a person who just loses his shit for his own petty reasons. Not everyone was raised to be the passive sheep like RIOT encourages by this system and actually will stand up for themselves when they are wronged for truly legitimate reasons.

Chermorg1 votes

I’d love to make it more fair.

However, to improve the fairness of the system, it’s necessary to identify exactly how the system is unfair currently. I would be more than supportive of any idea that identifies unfairness in the system and corrects it.

Sadly, I have yet to see anyone identify a specific unfairness and why it’s unfair.

Dragfin1 votes

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I’d love to make it more fair.

However, to improve the fairness of the system, it’s necessary to identify exactly how the system is unfair currently. I would be more than supportive of any idea that identifies unfairness in the system and corrects it.

Sadly, I have yet to see anyone identify a specific unfairness and why it’s unfair.

People get banned for defending themselves.

Underlying causes are clearly in the game but are avoided and excuses are made by RIOT.

I already told you why it wasn't fair but as is typical from anyone having anything to do with RIOT, they choose to ignore that and ask questions that have already been answered. Twist it however you wish. All I am asking is for an acknowledgement that underlying causes lead to chat bans but you can't even do that.

Next will be a bunch of excuses as to why underlying causes are not looked into.

Instead maybe we should be productive and us as a community could maybe come up with some ideas to alleviate these underlying causes and start punishing them. RIOT is too lazy to do that though and take the easy way out by just banning people for things that might not totally be their fault. It's not as simple as don't type and you won't get punished. But I guess RIOT would rather just leave it that way because it's much easier for them instead of creating a better environment for everyone.

That is where the lack of common sense comes into play.

Chermorg1 votes

  1. People are banned for harassment regardless of the reason, because the “defense” isn’t really a defense. Flaming someone doesn’t stop them from flaming you, from feeding, from playing poorly, or from trolling. In many cases, it may make them troll more.

  2. People can claim they are toxic only because of other players, but all that means is a lack of self control. In the real world, you can’t say “well he made me angry so I punched the wall/shot a gun/sped and crashed into someone else”. That’s not a valid excuse, and it isn’t an excuse in League either. I agree that verbal toxicity isn’t the only problem in League - but there’s absolutely no reason we should not combat verbal toxicity and these other problems. It is perfectly reasonable to just expect players to have the common decency and self control to not retaliate against negativity with negativity.

weltmaxx1 votes

Your 2nd half of the 2nd reason is relative. If someone wasted 30 min (yes, wasted, because I am a competitive player and play competitive ranked games to win) of my time in real life on a team project, or anything really, I wouldn't ignore them or move along so easily and I doubt the majority of people would. You can't pick and chose what parts of being toxic relate to IRL to make a point when other parts clearly can't be explained and actually debunk that idea.

KnuckIe duster1 votes

I would really like to discuss further how flawed and broken the punishment system is, but there is no point in doing so with someone who thinks that an insult is equivalent to hitting someone with a car or shooting at them. Someone this deficient shouldn't be representing the community.

Drugoth1 votes

It is true, often players are baited into chat bans by gameplay trolls. I see why you are upset.

The system is currently flawed, I admit that. It has a hard time catching and punishing gameplay trolling because of how complicated it is to detect compared to something like chat logs.

However the fact remains that the underlying cause that you're talking about is actually punished harder than minor flame. Gameplay trolling and intentional feeding gets an immediate escalation if it is caught because Riot deems it zero tolerance alongside hate speech and self harm encouragement.

So, in conclusion, it's not an issue of lack of integrity on Riot's part, but a difficulty in finding a solution to the flaws that exist.

Pitchforking against Riot about something that they've shown that they care about but are having issues resolving isn't helpful and is kind of depressing frankly. You'd think Riot's player base would be more supportive of them because they made such an awesome game.

Drugoth1 votes

Excuse me, sir. I am neither passive, nor a sheep. I identify as a Russian Hind attack helicopter. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0wY_vhAlbM/maxresdefault.jpg

Telephone Booth1 votes

Hmm several chat restricts, yet you can't understand why you're not considered honorable? You just need a slice of humble pie bud. Eat it up. It's delicious. Be humble, don't act like you're better than anyone, don't insult anyone, and Riot will happily reward you with your precious honor level. That's just how they operate. Meh. Do it, or don't. But complaining does nothing. Make a decision.

weltmaxx1 votes

I'm not complaining, i just thought honor 0 was for the most toxic and dishonourable people, and I don't class myself as anywhere near as bad as what i've seen people say in games. And I never said I wasn't borderline toxic either, matter of fact I deserved those restrictions

Telephone Booth1 votes

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I'm not complaining, i just thought honor 0 was for the most toxic and dishonourable people, and I don't class myself as anywhere near as bad as what i've seen people say in games. And I never said I wasn't borderline toxic either, matter of fact I deserved those restrictions

Yeah the honor system isn't quite accurate as far as letting someone know how truly honorable they are. I could be a complete asshole in one game, get reported and drop from honor 5 to 0. Going literally from most honorable, to the least honorable. It's just aesthetic bullshit. I don't take honor levels seriously.

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