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Please make trolling in normals games more punishable

williamhammy105··2 votes·868 views

I had 2 normals games where my teamates sat in base and did absolutely nothing. On the 1st occasion it was because I stole a Yasuo's pentakill later. he and his support proceeded to sit in base and buy 5 item 2045's. On the 2nd occasion it was because someone on the enemy team got super fed. We still had a chance of winning but ourWarwick decided to sit in base because he said we lost. He even got bored of sitting in base and splitpushed top and stood still whenever someone came and killed him.

Can there please be a reason for everybody to treat a normals game as if it was a semi ranked game. People give up way too easily and they have no reason to try and win the game so why would they even try? Extra IP dosent become a factor once you own all the runes and champions so there is literally nothing you can gain from normal's once you are level 30. I just want people to try their hardest even if it is just a normal game.

29 Comments

xXRaichopXx2 votes

It should be more punishable in RANKED.

ModPeriscope2 votes

I don't think summoners are punished differently in normals vs ranked.

His Dinoboy1 votes

surprised on this post. i thought it was gonna be about not allowing people to have a chance to play off meta builds and champ so they can get fun out of league. however i cant understand "I just want people to try their hardest even if it is just a normal game." everything else i agree with but why cant people have fun out of ranked? I want to screw around in norms so i dont tilt by tryharding all day long.

williamhammy1051 votes

I just see too many people say "Its just norms" and proceed to not even try. You can have fun and try to win at the same time.

GeminiRune1 votes

Those are both not exactly trolling more than they would be just being outright unsportsmanlike in behavior. Either way for it to happen in a normal should have some severity, but definitely not as much as it should in a ranked environment. To call the stuff that happened to you trolling and considering how most of the community also eludes "trolling" to anything they don't expect to be a possibility or "viable," that would just mean that putting a severity check on a normal casual game would hold down innovation or just having fun period even more.

williamhammy1051 votes

What should I call it then? Because people shouldnt be doing this in any type of game

GeminiRune1 votes

I can't really give you an answer to that one. I just see that they're ruining games by how they were acting. I think that's how I would've described it if I was in the predicament you were in. I have my own personal dislike for use of the term "trolling" as a player who likes to innovate where acceptable (usually in Normals and RGMs unless confident)

Astrovert1 votes

Afking and intentionally feeding are both already punishable, I guess you would need to be more specific about "more punishable".

However I find it much easier to get the whole team to report someone down for afking, it don't matter the game, you afk in my game no matter what side you are on, you are reported.

Lugg1 votes

People in norms need to be treated like ranked when it comes to behavior. The only difference is that you don't report someone for trying new champs or builds. Heck, I don't even report people in ranked for doing it if they do well.

Chønklord1 votes

Even if they don't do well on an off-meta pick, they're still not reportable. Doing poorly or having a bad game isn't a punishable offense, off-meta or otherwise. You can't expect to hold someone to a higher standard of play and tell them "you better play well 'or else'", just because they're playing something you're not comfortable with.

Lugg1 votes

A bad game is one thing, but when they go 0/19 someone's intentionally feeding.

Chønklord1 votes

You're working under the assumption that something over X amount of deaths is automatically intentionally feeding; unfortunately logic and critical thinking does not agree with you.

Simply because you reach a threshold of deaths, does not mean you are now suddenly an intentional feeder. All it means is that you've reached a certain number of deaths.

You can intentionally feed at 0-1 just as easily as you can intentionally feed up to 0-20. On the reverse side, you can un intentionally feed at 0-20 just as easily.

It all depends really on the player's state of mind, and their intention. Either you intend to feed, or you don't; nothing any outside source says will change that. It's very possible for someone to be so tilted, so frustrated, that although they are trying their best, they're just getting wiped out by a much better player/team (getting camped, trying to make plays, split pushing and getting aggro'd without team help, the team abandoning them every fight, etc), and reach something like 0-19.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Lugg1 votes

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You can intentionally feed at 0-1 just as easily as you can intentionally feed up to 0-20.

0-1 isn't intentionally feeding by ANYONE'S standards. I also promise you that 99.0% of the community will tell you that 0-19 is intentionally feeding. I can faceroll any champ in the game and get at least 1 kill in that amount of time.

AlienPrimate1 votes

I once went 0-11-0 on Urgot top against tryndamere without intentionally feeding. I lost 2 close all-ins early and then got dove all game. I ended up only being 400 damage behind my team's damage leader who was Ahri. Someone who is intentionally feeding doesn't nearly lead the team in damage.

Lugg1 votes

If you are playing a game, it's going to be against players who are around your skill level (unless you are boosted, in which case you should be reported anyway). If the game is an FF at 20 with all the enemy lanes getting a snowball, I can see not getting a kill, but you shouldn't ever die more than once every three minutes.

Yeah, you may be getting creamed in your lane, but that's when you roam to other lanes and help. The game where the guy went 0-19 was about 45 minutes long. If you can't get a single kill in that time, you are feeding, plain and simple, since time makes the gold, experience, and kill total gap smaller and smaller.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Tryn had 8 kills and did less damage to champs than me. Their LeBlanc had 17 kills and did more than twice as much damage as Tryn. That should tell you enough that it wasn't only me having a bad game. Also, you can't roam against Tryn ever. As soon as you leave lane for 30 seconds e is going to kill 2 towers.

Lugg1 votes

Trynd is indeed a split push god. However, he is super weak against hard CC. That's why you never see him in pro play, he is literally free kills if you have any hard CC and coordinate.

I do feel your pain, but it's pretty obvious when someone on your team is either doing the try hard or just feeding.

Chønklord2 votes

I don't think you understand what the word intentional means.

in·ten·tion·al inˈten(t)SH(ə)n(ə)l/ adjective done on purpose; deliberate. "intentional wrongdoing and harm" synonyms: deliberate, calculated, conscious, intended, planned, meant, studied, knowing, willful, purposeful, purposive, done on purpose, premeditated, preplanned, preconceived;

If you plan to go into a game (or during a game) to intentionally feed, you can intentionally begin to feed at 0-1 just as you can begin to intentionally feed at 0-10, etc.

On the inverse, just because you go 0-XX score, regardless of the game time, does not mean you have the intention to. Now, you could argue that going something like 0-20 in a 40 minute game is definitely not taking the mechanics and enemy champions' strengths vs your weaknesses into consideration, but that still does not negate the pure, logical fact that you can still be horribly negative in score and still not intentionally feed.

I really don't know how to put it any simpler than this.

I guess the only other, shorter way to explain it is....

A negative KDA does not equal "intentional feeding" -- the only thing that does, is playing with the intent to die on purpose so as to ruin everyone's game. Also in case you've forgotten, or don't realize, having a positive KDA is not the objective of League; taking objectives and killing the nexus is. You can go 0-20 and still be a participant in fights, or at the very least be a punching bag / distraction for the enemy team -- all while trying your heart out.

Lugg1 votes

When someone is down in lane and they still INTENTIONALLY try to fight the opponent when they don't have to, they are intentionally feeding by any definition and should be banned.

This isn't rocket science, pretty easy to understand.

Chønklord2 votes

Wrong.

Example given: "when someone is 'down' in lane and they continue attempts to fight their lane opponent".

Just because someone keeps fighting down in gold/items/levels and does so repeatedly, does not mean the intent to feed is there.

There are plenty of times I have been in such scenarios; there are a score of reasons why someone may believe themselves capable of either winning a trade, or at the very least making it 'even' -- i.e. mutually assured destruction (for example).

In many of these scenarios, after being able to gain an extra item, or outplaying the enemy / taking advantange of a mistake they made, often resulted in my being able to land a kill on them -- even if I was down in lane to begin with.

You cannot determine player intent simply from their gameplay unless there is an obvious sign of the intent to feed/ruin the game.

Your example, while using the word "intentionally", does not lend credence to there being an obvious sign of intent, other than the intent to fight a stronger lane opponent.

Lugg1 votes

If you tell someone "Hey, you are behind, don't fight them" and they still fight them, they are feeding. End of story.

You can try to justify it all you want, but they are intentionally fighting when they are just going to die every time.

Chønklord1 votes
  1. Many people mute all or hide the chat window, so you 'telling them' doesn't mean they see what you said
  2. Riot doesn't agree with you (tactical disagreements not reportable)
  3. You don't really like listening to reason and are hard stuck on your opinion huh
Lugg1 votes

Muting all and then feeding is definitely assisting the other team.

That isn't a tactical disagreement, it's someone feeding like a buffet.

Your #3 argument, you need to look in the mirror on that one.

Chønklord1 votes

/mute all is standard practice for many players and is heavily encouraged by Riot, for whatever reason the player needs to use it for. That's why there are smart pings.

I'm sorry you can't understand the difference between intentional and unintentional.

The former is doing something with a goal or purpose in mind, the latter is accidental and not meant to be done.

Lugg1 votes

Intentionally

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Chønklord1 votes

Buddy, I had perfect SAT scores with writing. Since I was 12 years old I was writing and reading at above college level, and a high proficiency with grammar and English language syntax. I can type approximately 80wpm, and I'm far past my college days of writing essay papers and the like.

Trust me, I know what the word "intentionally" means; far more than you do -- as evidenced by your clear lack of comprehension on the topic.

Lugg1 votes

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Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? If you tell someone "Hey, don't fight that guy anymore, he will 100% kill you" and that person intentionally still goes and fights them and dies.

They INTENTIONALLY went and fought them, so they are intentionally feeding.

This isn't rocket science.

Scary Door1 votes

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You're working under the assumption that something over X amount of deaths is automatically intentionally feeding; unfortunately logic and critical thinking does not agree with you.

Simply because you reach a threshold of deaths, does not mean you are now suddenly an intentional feeder. All it means is that you've reached a certain number of deaths.

You can intentionally feed at 0-1 just as easily as you can intentionally feed up to 0-20. On the reverse side, you can un intentionally feed at 0-20 just as easily.

It all depends really on the player's state of mind, and their intention. Either you intend to feed, or you don't; nothing any outside source says will change that. It's very possible for someone to be so tilted, so frustrated, that although they are trying their best, they're just getting wiped out by a much better player/team (getting camped, trying to make plays, split pushing and getting aggro'd without team help, the team abandoning them every fight, etc), and reach something like 0-19.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Even if I take what you say at face value; someone that goes 0/19 is making the same mistakes repeatedly, they know that what they have been doing has resulted in death time and again, but they continue to do so. They may not intend to die, but any reasonable person would know that if you perform the same actions repeatedly and get the same results it is foolish to continue doing them.

"Intentional feeding" implies a malicious act, but clearly someone that goes 0/19 is wreckless and/or careless. I believe that most of us wouldn't want someone that consistently performs that poorly on our team---even if said person has no malice whatsoever. Therefore, I report anyone that goes 0/19 for intentional feeding, because I don't want them in my games in the future. If you're that bad, then you need to learn the basics before you play PVP and waste others' time. If you're not that bad, then you're trolling and need to be banned.

Now that there is a practice tool in this game, there is literally ZERO excuse to have someone go 0/10, 0/15, 0/20, etc and the only conclusion one can reach is that they are trolling or so terrible that they don't deserve to play PVP.

Chønklord1 votes

Not at all. Just because someone is 0-19, doesn't mean you automatically know they are making the same mistakes repeatedly. Off the top of my head; they're getting camped extremely hard and not getting assistance from their teammate; they had a horrible laning phase so they're relegated to being a "split push bot"; they're a meatshield and just going full tanky if they started out poorly and don't want to get a kill in order to regain gold value.

There are many, many situations in where someone could be 0-19 and not be just going in and doing the same thing over and over without consciousness.

Being bad, isn't an excuse for others to flame that person for being bad; that just makes you an asshole.

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