14 day ban with no prior infractions or penalties

pOzXgNancy·Oct 30, 2019·37 votes·17,579 views

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Anyways, riot refused to check my chat logs at all, Not giving me anymore information than what the ban message with a empty chat log gave me

https://i.imgur.com/Px9h1R2.png

I'm just going to buy a account and play on it now there's point giving money to riot when they treat me like this, copying and pasting the same response not caring at all.

would you spend 5-30 minutes looking into a case or would you just say.
Nope, everything looks fine here and be done.

I'm pretty sure you guys would pick the 2nd option, lets be realistic.

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Cya guys

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104 Comments

pyscHOTicTwinkleOct 31, 201915 votes

This is why you were banned.

Let's review shall we? OP picks Garen. Purchases ONLY boots, no potions, no wards, just boots. Proceeds to die to the enemy adc at 1:34. Dies to the enemy mid just after the 2 minute mark. Dies to the enemy top at around the 3:45 mark. Then appears to go afk. That is not a disconnection, that is not a leaverbuster penalty. What you were doing was intentionally feeding the enemy team. There are many more cases of behavior like this in your match history, but I cannot be bothered to link and describe them.

You were punished for griefing. The system mistakenly classed your punishment as a chat violation instead. Probably a glitch in the system.

My question to you - Why go through all the effort to make this post and try to play innocent? You know damn well why you were banned. Did you not realize that posting this and garnering as much support as you have would result in people actually digging into your account history? You need to be honest with yourself, and with everyone here about why you got banned. Take ownership for your behavior and start taking steps to change it.

edit: or just delete everything lmao. I can understand that people get toxic from time to time. What I don't get is the dishonesty. This was never going to work. You couldn't have realistically expected it to. Just be a man and own up to your shortcomings.

ModPeriscopeOct 30, 20198 votes

I guess that's kinda weird to have that response if you can't type. Maybe there's an error in your code, where you don't see it but others do see your chat?

Although, I was thinking it's related to you leaving games:

I'd also be curious about all the matches where your items go to 0 in some of your longer matches. You do mostly receive leaver-buster for AFKs, but there are many similar games throughout your match history. This outfit of match histories isn't all-encompassing, but I think more careful analysis where I could look at your build order could also reveal more matches. You even have an afk'd game as the first in your match history on the account you're currently posting on.

pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20192 votes

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I guess that's kinda weird to have that response if you can't type. Maybe there's an error in your code, where you don't see it but others do see your chat?

Although, I was thinking it's related to you leaving games:

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3186572613/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3179995087/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3176988628/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3175786222/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3170889491/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3169447464/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3164139035/2275709168838912?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3163674644/2275709168838912?tab=overview

I'd also be curious about all the matches where your items go to 0 in some of your longer matches. You do mostly receive leaver-buster for AFKs, but there are many similar games throughout your match history. This outfit of match histories isn't all-encompassing, but I think more careful analysis where I could look at your build order could also reveal more matches. You even have an afk'd game as the first in your match history on the account you're currently posting on.

If it was for leaving games, wouldn't i had got a leaver buster penalty at-least once?

and yeah those are afk games ~~but its a really a tiny amount when you consider i played around 160 games in 28 days~~

rujitraOct 30, 20196 votes

Given it’s clear that you know the rules and are intentionally trying to evade punishment or detection, that would be why it was escalated.

MasterDCloneOct 30, 20193 votes

escalation doesn't start from 0, for it to escalate he needs to be given a warning first, and for leaving a couple games the warning isn't a 2 week suspension. On my old comp, my client would crash me out of game so often that i would have the 5 game ban fairly often but it never escalated to a 2 week, even if some of his dc's are intentional, it would have to be a crazy circumstance to ban the guy for 2 weeks over a couple afks.

rujitraOct 30, 20194 votes

It’s many more than a couple. It is clear this person has attempted to figure out how to circumvent the detection and punishment systems.

MasterDCloneOct 30, 20194 votes

and how is that clear? so far on this thread all you have done is made accusations against op and then your comments show up as delete. So far all we know is that he got banned for 2 weeks over something related to chat, then you're saying that he has managed to escape leaverbuster somehow and riot issues him a 2 weeks, and his method to avoid detection onto what he has done is to make a boards post about it for all to see, what would be the point

rujitraOct 30, 20192 votes

It does not have to be a chat punishment. It very well could be that the punishment is correct but the category it is under is incorrect.

MasterDCloneOct 30, 20191 votes

Ok still doesn’t make the type of ban given the right kind

rujitraOct 30, 20193 votes

And that’s what they’ll be told by Riot support if that’s the case.

The punishment is not going to be removed just because the reason given by the client was wrong.

Furthermore, given the obvious rule-skirting behavior identified here (and yes, it’s obvious that the OP is clearly trolling in games), I highly suspect the OP is not being truthful with their account history. Nobody on the boards can confirm or deny the OPs DM history. But in many similar cases, players think they can get away with it because it is DMs, then they get caught and try to get a ton of community support thinking riot will “have” to unban them if they get upvotes.

Simply put, the OP was either punished for behavior in DMs that they’re never going to admit to here, or the punishment is still valid given their obvious attempts to evade detection for trolling.

MasterDCloneOct 31, 20192 votes

I checked the match history and I didn’t see any obvious sign s of trolling, show me some evidence of either trolling or attempting to evade trolling. We still have yet to see the real reason, and the only way to get banned through dms is extreme cases which makes no sense in this case for him to come to the boards

pyscHOTicTwinkleOct 31, 20192 votes

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I checked the match history and I didn’t see any obvious sign s of trolling, show me some evidence of either trolling or attempting to evade trolling. We still have yet to see the real reason, and the only way to get banned through dms is extreme cases which makes no sense in this case for him to come to the boards

Tristana game

Garen game with boots start and no potions (first blood given at 1:34 to the enemy botlane, appears to be an autofill support game)

Yasuo game

There are others as well. I think I've seen enough to form my opinion. I'll let you come to your own.

MasterDCloneOct 31, 20191 votes

Those are most likely rage quits, maybe 1or2 can be actual dc but you’re right some are rage quits. Although the punishment for this isn’t usually a 2 week. No doubt he has, but I just feel it isn’t enough, I’ve rq and dc more than this without rq I have friends who rq more than that and in ranked as well so I find this out of the blue ban a little odd still.

rujitraOct 31, 20194 votes

The punishment for intentionally leaving games is the same as for other forms of griefing behavior. The reason LeaverBuster does not issue such penalties is because LeaverBuster operates solely as a "did you DC? y/n" system. This sort of punishment requires human intervention.

However, as I said, the punishment for intentionally leaving games (i.e. ragequitting) is that of griefing - because that's what the behavior is.

rujitraOct 31, 20194 votes

Sure, it doesn't make sense - that's why everyone is trying to find the reason for it. But people have before tried to come to the boards and lie about their logs just to get called out by Rioters (unfortunately, the Rioter who was the one most frequently here transferred to another department, so he doesn't come by anymore). It's happened before and there's no reason it can't be the case here. People will try anything to get around the rules - if they are punished for something and think they can "pull the wool over" the eyes of the community, then they'll try. There are multiple things here: not posting on the banned account; the fact the account they're posting on is botted (meaning they already don't care about the rules); the fact they try to "prove" that their chat in game is off so strongly (by doing things that most players don't even know about)... all of this suggests that the OP is pandering for community support/upvotes in the hopes Riot will see it and "have" to reverse the ban.

Like you agree, they obviously won't admit to flaming in DMs after the game - but it sure as hell wouldn't surprise me if they go to the trouble of turning off chat that they know they're toxic and would do so in DMs to attempt to avoid punishment.

Regardless, here's some examples of obvious trolling behavior on the banned account:

3 days ago, they sold all items at 14 minutes to buy only vampiric scepters. This is obviously trolling behavior. There is in no way any belief that is a viable build, especially when they built one way for the beginning of the game.
The game after, they sold all items at 12 minutes to build only a BF sword on Yorick. Again. No way this isn't trolling.
Many of their lost games have very suspicious death patterns - either multiple deaths in short succession (that would only be possible if they TP/walk to lane and instantly die multiple times), or deaths outside their lane (ex: one game they died mid at 4 minutes after dying top twice at 2 minutes, then went bot and died 4 times between 8-14 minutes).
Multiple games they sell all items at 15 minutes, suggesting heavily that they are doing it when an early surrender vote fails.
Multiple games that they left right after dying (ex: 4 days ago 20 minute tristana game - gains normal exp until after they die, when they never come back to that game) - yet they are able to load in fine and fully played multiple other games the same day.
4-5 days ago sold items to switch to AD ryze or anivia multiple times.

And this is just all I can identify off the very tip of their match history. If I would dig deeper and actually look further into it, I'm sure there's more games.

Inkling CommandoOct 31, 20192 votes

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Sure, it doesn't make sense - that's why everyone is trying to find the reason for it. But people have before tried to come to the boards and lie about their logs just to get called out by Rioters (unfortunately, the Rioter who was the one most frequently here transferred to another department, so he doesn't come by anymore). It's happened before and there's no reason it can't be the case here. People will try anything to get around the rules - if they are punished for something and think they can "pull the wool over" the eyes of the community, then they'll try. There are multiple things here: not posting on the banned account; the fact the account they're posting on is botted (meaning they already don't care about the rules); the fact they try to "prove" that their chat in game is off so strongly (by doing things that most players don't even know about)... all of this suggests that the OP is pandering for community support/upvotes in the hopes Riot will see it and "have" to reverse the ban.

Like you agree, they obviously won't admit to flaming in DMs after the game - but it sure as hell wouldn't surprise me if they go to the trouble of turning off chat that they know they're toxic and would do so in DMs to attempt to avoid punishment.

Regardless, here's some examples of obvious trolling behavior on the banned account:

3 days ago, they sold all items at 14 minutes to buy only vampiric scepters. This is obviously trolling behavior. There is in no way any belief that is a viable build, especially when they built one way for the beginning of the game.

The game after, they sold all items at 12 minutes to build only a BF sword on Yorick. Again. No way this isn't trolling.

Many of their lost games have very suspicious death patterns - either multiple deaths in short succession (that would only be possible if they TP/walk to lane and instantly die multiple times), or deaths outside their lane (ex: one game they died mid at 4 minutes after dying top twice at 2 minutes, then went bot and died 4 times between 8-14 minutes).

Multiple games they sell all items at 15 minutes, suggesting heavily that they are doing it when an early surrender vote fails.

Multiple games that they left right after dying (ex: 4 days ago 20 minute tristana game - gains normal exp until after they die, when they never come back to that game) - yet they are able to load in fine and fully played multiple other games the same day.

4-5 days ago sold items to switch to AD ryze or anivia multiple times.

And this is just all I can identify off the very tip of their match history. If I would dig deeper and actually look further into it, I'm sure there's more games.

buddy just stop. you're grasping at straws now at this point to try and get him punished. you're doing nothing except looking like a fool.

OneMustFallOct 31, 20192 votes

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buddy just stop. you're grasping at straws now at this point to try and get him punished. you're doing nothing except looking like a fool.

Really cause I think he gave a very detailed explanation as to why the user would be banned for griefing behavior. And he can't get him punished because not only does he not have the authority to do so, the user has already been punished.

I think someone is definitely looking like a fool here though...and it's not just one person.

Sinful SuccubusOct 30, 20196 votes

every time you update the ticket, it counts as a whole new ticket and goes back to the bottom of the pile.

try waiting instead

pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20194 votes

Yeah, That's what i'm going to do. Haven't said anything in the ticket since yesterday.

rujitraOct 30, 20195 votes

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KABLUMPOct 30, 201913 votes

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This usually means that the punishment was issued for private message chats, or was issued for a reason that Riot, for security reasons, will not disclose to you as the player.

and you've made a blatent assumption, and riot support would relay that basic information to him if they were witholding due to violent threats etc.

Nobody on the boards is going to sympathize with you nor can we do anything about the punishment. You are free to contact Riot to confirm if this was validly placed or not, but know that they are under no obligation to release information about it if releasing such information would endanger Riot, another player, or compromise their detection methods for various things.

Actually depending on the country he lives in, they may very well be under legal obligation to release all transactional and chat history.

Note that continuing to reply to your ticket is continuing to bump it to the bottom of the pile - you do not have some "right" to jump the queue of all other players asking about whatever they're asking about.

I think he does if he legitimately did nothing wrong and got wacked over the head because of a shittily coded bot having a misfire when it got overloaded from it's datamining duties and needed to reboot before confirming the validity of the latest batch of ~~ stuff to send to the chinese communist party~~ Useful marketing information to help guide you to great purchases!

rujitraOct 30, 20192 votes

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MasterDCloneOct 30, 201911 votes

but if the player is unable to type due to chat being turned off how would he do something wrong verbally?

Silent GravityOct 30, 20192 votes

Could be in pregame, postgame or in private messages.

MasterDCloneOct 30, 20193 votes

ususally it records pre game and postgame, but ya its a possibility and pm's have to be real life threatening or terrorist for it to be valid, which if it was the ticket would be pointless

AJStarhikerOct 30, 20194 votes

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There is no country that requires companies to release data to individuals. This is not what would be considered "private" or "personally identifying" information under things such as the GDPR in the EU.

And no, he did not "legitimately do nothing wrong" - or he wouldn't have gotten punished.

The bot CANNOT issue punishments like this. Punishments from the bot will always link a game or chat logs. This was a manually issued punishment for severe toxicity outside the normal course of punishments.

Maybe, but Riot will release account data including chat logs if requested. It just takes a month before you get them back.

KABLUMPOct 30, 20196 votes

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There is no country that requires companies to release data to individuals. This is not what would be considered "private" or "personally identifying" information under things such as the GDPR in the EU.

Not sure you're right on that. I got my chat logs by simple request.

And no, he did not "legitimately do nothing wrong" - or he wouldn't have gotten punished.

oh wow, riot games has cracked the code, we should just implement riot's policies to eliminate all incarceration of innocent people in the world bc riot games is infallible

It's not like i've ever seen people do nothing wrong and then get massively harassed or just mistaken for someone else.

The bot CANNOT issue punishments like this. Punishments from the bot will always link a game or chat logs. This was a manually issued punishment for severe toxicity outside the normal course of punishments.

maybe, but also maybe not, see the issue isn't that you could be right or wrong, it's that you think something could be the case, and instead of probing or sharing what you know, you're pointing the finger at this guy and calling him a toxic pos who deserves everything he got without knowing the situation. even if you are by chance correct, you're still wrong because you just point and screech.

KVbqbFsC8eOct 30, 20195 votes

Think maybe its because you bought your account?

zPOOPzOct 30, 20194 votes

have you been toxic in private messages lately?

pOzXgNancyOct 30, 201915 votes

No, i haven't. I only have three friends on my friends list and i've never said anything rude to them.

zPOOPzOct 30, 201912 votes

That empty chat log usually means you were punished for something outside of in-game chat such as private message, dodged champ select (I think), or something confidential like personally identifiable information or extreme toxicity.

I believe there had been one or two cases where the game mistakenly issued you a verbal punishment when it should be a gameplay punishment (or vice versa), which would explained the empty chat. Looking at the last game you played, you either went afk or you trolled that game.... The kennen game before that as well.

You know what? If I scroll down far enough in your match history, your account looks to be a botted account.....

Are you sure you want support to look into your account? This should be a permanent banned, not 14-day.... Maybe support will rectify it.

pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20197 votes

Do you actually have to be so rude and aggressive?

rujitraOct 30, 20191 votes

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pOzXgNancyOct 30, 201912 votes

I really don't understand people like you. Looking to spread hate and resentment the first chance you can get.

Telling me my ban shouldn't had been 14 days but a permanent ban Then saying you hope it happens

But you're trying to say i'm the toxic one, its hilarious actually.

rujitraOct 30, 20193 votes

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pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20198 votes

If you read more than just the title of my post you would of realized that i'm not posting from the account that was banned.

And people don't have multiple accounts just because they were banned on others. I got this account so i could tryout ranked before i played on my main.

The only person lying or trying to mislead is you, my ban has nothing to do with this account at all. So why even bring it up.

You're just trying to attack me with whatever excuse you can come up with.

Umbral RegentOct 30, 20193 votes

If you read more than just the title of my post you would of realized that i'm not posting from the account that was banned.

Okay, seeing this, now I'm a bit more curious about the situation. I had glossed over (rather; read the body, but not the screenname) of your Support Ticket image, and had mistakenly assumed you were referring to this account.

Looking at the account in question, there are a good couple games on Monday, the 28th, and there are a lot more questions raised now.

I'd still say to wait on Riot's response via the Support Ticket, but now the likelihood of this being an unmerited punishment is a bit more dubious.

pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20193 votes

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Looking at the account in question, there are a good couple games on Monday, the 28th, and there are a lot more questions raised now.

Yeah, i looked opgg earlier and realized that i did play on Monday & edited the post.

I woke up around 20 hours after the ban and remembered playing "The Outer World" All day Monday so i thought i didn't play league at all on monday but i played two games :/

rujitraOct 30, 20191 votes

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pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20193 votes

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So why are you being deliberately obstructive and hiding information from us?

How am i hiding anything at all?

The account name is in every screenshot but the honor level one.

Again you're just using whatever excuse you can to attack me.

And what? You're seriously expecting us to believe you bought an account simply to "try ranked"? That's probably the most obvious lie I've ever seen on the boards.

Again just trying to attack me.

Not everyone wants / has to play all their games on one account. Why do you think some popular streamers have 4-5+ accounts

14daysuspensionkOct 31, 20192 votes

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How am i hiding anything at all?

The account name is in every screenshot but the honor level one.

Again you're just using whatever excuse you can to attack me.

Again just trying to attack me.

Not everyone wants / has to play all their games on one account. Why do you think some popular streamers have 4-5+ accounts

I think you have to play all your games actually, leaving or just straight up inting is completely against the rules, and I highly doubt you weren't inting in some way with shit like 4x item 1053 on Veigar or item 3070 and 5x item 2015 on fucking Malphite (considering that the Malphite game was also a ranked game, if you wanted to try whatever off meta ''build'' you were going for, go do it in a normal game first) I don't understand why they didn't claim to ban you for throwing instead of being toxic in chat, because then this would make a lot more sense.

HazareOct 31, 20192 votes

Sadly this can be bought at the last second by selling all items. You'd have to check OP.gg to check buy history to figure out if it did happen.

rujitraOct 31, 20192 votes

Yes, and upon checking that, there are a couple games where they do this at the obvious end (i.e. right before end of game), but there are more where it's done well before.

JuleviOct 30, 20199 votes

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So why are you being deliberately obstructive and hiding information from us?

Gotta agree with OP: **they did not hide information from us ** (at least when you refer to the account-name issue).

Why not make this post from the affected account?

Some people here tend to think that once their account is banned in-game they don't have access to the boards as well. I don't know if that's the reason, but come on - it's irrelevant which account it is posted from as long as OP showed the concerning account.

VreivaiOct 30, 20193 votes

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I got this account so i could tryout ranked before i played on my main.

What exactly do you mean by this?

JuleviOct 30, 20192 votes

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pOzXgNancyOct 30, 20193 votes

The account i'm posting on has nothing to do with my ban.

They're just trying to bring up random things to try to attack me, not spread awareness

JuleviOct 30, 20193 votes

Sorry but I think we all didn't check the attached screenshot carefully enough and therefore didn't see that those are two different accounts!

pyscHOTicTwinkleOct 30, 20192 votes

{quoted} You know what? If I scroll down far enough in your match history, your account looks to be a botted account.....

Are you sure you want support to look into your account? This should be a permanent banned, not 14-day.... Maybe support will rectify it.

This is the correct answer. Look at the account name, it's random gibberish with a random name tagged onto the end of it. I could link op.gg's of several other accounts just like this. Fresh level 30, no previous ranked history, etc. Hell I could link you the Ebay seller he got it from lmao.

OP you're barking up the wrong tree with this post. Why the hell would you make a forum post complaining about a ban when you know that you purchased the account?