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Mikagura··2 votes·553 views

The community in LoL is considered one of the most "Toxic". Has anyone even thought about a possible reason? When i think of it.. there are 2 that come to mind.

1 it's more that people have no backbone anymore. This is not entirely our/their fault. This is just global society in 2015. BUT IT'S A BIG ISSUE IN THIS GAME. For example... Back in the day when you did something wrong and your dad gave you a bitchslap, you cried and tuffened up.. Now.. If your dad hits you or even tries to hit you, he gets sue'ed. Back in the day when your coach yelled at you and put you on the bench for playing bad you just listened and became a man. Now.. You either quit your sport or go to court and sue the coach for being an emotionless, non fitting person flaming younger kids so he'd lose his job.

Back in the day when a guy flamed you, you just punched him in the face.. Now.. When you see "noob" or "unskilled" you report a person. That's just pathetic.

This is what i mean, the society nowadays is like one big pampered family.. that cries when they don't get what they want.. and do everything to get what they want.

I'm not making this thread to promote flaming.. Ofc flaming is bad, unnecessary and childish. I'm just saying that when a guy says "noob", "unskilled" "stfu" and etc that you should man up and ignore it.. THESE WORDS ARE NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY CONSIDERED CURSEWORDS unless some braindead company agrees that they are.. HHmm? CSGO is for instance another big game where these words mean nothing and honestly, i could keep going on about games where it dosn't matter.

When you see ppl saying "cancer" or any kind of hurtful things, pls do report this.. cuz this is the moment when a player is not thinking anymore.. this is just brainless shittalk to another person and it should be punished.

ALSO, take into consideration that not everyone is trying to be offensive when using a curseword. I myself am pretty passive-agressive and i won't deny that i use offensive language at times. It's not that i want to, it's basically me being impulsive about a situation that occurred but couldve been prevented if ppl or myself listened. I am old enough and should be able to restrain myself but i am this kind of person for 28 years now and i just can't change like that. I wont tell you that you 'should get cancer' or "die irl".. but i will mention your flaws and missplays if you don't realise them yourself. You'll never get better if you can't take any type of criticism. I want ppl to tell me what i did wrong so i can get better.. how else do i get better if i don't even notice my own mistakes and someone else just did?

The reporting system is good, and necessary but imo it's also getting abused by the kind of ppl that i mentioned up above " ppl with no backbone".

This makes me come to the second point..

2 Criticism.. Back in they day when your teacher told you to work harder, you just ignored it.. laughed in her face but in the end you did listen. Now.. when a teacher tells you to work harder, you ignore it.. take it to the principal and tell him/her that she's bullying you.

Back in the day when your coach said you had to work on using both your feet.. you went home and trained and trained day after day.. Now.. you just don't give a shit unless you actually have some selfrespect. which is pretty uncommon :D

If i notice you make a mistake, you should be alerted.. thats what makes you better. getting info about what went wrong. Ofc if he noticed his own missplay just shut up and let it go. he knows, thats all there is too it. This is the next abuse in the report system.. Acoording to RIOT, you should NOT be notified cuz it protects pampered, spineless ppl to accept criticism and make them better in any way. when someone actually mentions your mistakes he's 'tilting'.. so if he sees the words "oh my f'ing god' thats the moment he'll press the button.. EVEN if that guy actually notified him, or carried him.. that imo is ridiculous. I'm not saying ppl that carry should be able to use such words.. but it should be taken in consideration that it's not his first language and thus uses whatever comes to mind. may it or may it not be some kind of offensive word.

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19 Comments

Jamaree2 votes

Were you banned and felt like it is unfair?

Mikagura1 votes

I've had warnings.. a chat restriction and a ban yes..

Did i feel like it was unfair.. its on a 80/20 scale.. i fairly disagree with it but at a certain point i can agree that ppl were intimidated by it.

On the other hand, I'll never raise my voice if it is not necessary or meaningless.. Do i use bad phrasing, offensive language.. yes i do.. but i wont say 'cancer' or w/e hurtful things there are more.. nor do i want to offend that person. my english doesn't go any further then what is ee on tv ^^:D

When i speak, its to point out what had to be done, what couldve been prevented but wasn't cuz he refused to listen or take any type of advice/criticism. Otherwise i wont talk at all since i'm 99% of the time in ts with a premade.

What i point out in my post is pretty much the reason what this community is tbh.

I'll mostlikely get permabanned anytime soon, cuz i am who i am.. and they are who they are.. Ppl are playing with emotions.. ppl that win are euforic and neglect most of the negative feelings they had to put up with during the game.. ppl that lose just press the button, considerate or not.. thats just how it is.. and therefore i think the reporting system is in many cases pulled out of context.

Randomonium2 votes

The people you describe make up a very small percentage of the population. Very few parents actually threaten to sue if someone at school says something bad about their "perfect little angel." Very few kids actually quit sports when faced with adversity.

I think the bigger issue now a days is people no longer treat others with respect. Kids used to always address their parents and teachers and coaches as Sir or Ma'am. In today's world you are lucky to even get a response from a kid when you ask them a question. Kids today think they can tell adults to go fuck themselves and don't understand that if an adult is talking to you 9 times out of 10 they are usually trying to help you with something they struggled with themselves. Kids today think its alright to tell people to kill themselves or to STFU because they can hide in the anonymity of the internet.

This isn't the age of coddled kids, this is the age of disrespectful kids. Riot has no problem with people giving constructive criticism. I've been giving constructive criticism since season 1 and I have NEVER been punished because of it. When you act disrespectful though that's where they draw the line.

Mikagura1 votes

I wasn't trying to ridicule it, as it may look a bit exagerated ^^ But you catch my drift? what i'm trying to say, don't you? ^^

I agree 100% with you and i couldn't have said it any better. I actually wish i could phrase it just like you.

on a side note.. I understand that riot draws the line at a certain point, and they should. But the reporting system does have flaws.. If a person starts stating stuff like cancer, trash etc etc ofc it should be punished.. but for saying 'well that was a noobie mistake' etc.. nah that's ridiculous.. i mean common.. i would rage for that when i was 5 but now?? zzzzzzz I also can honestly say that when i gave constructive criticism either in a good or a bad way that they never accepted it. Not a single soul has mentioned 'ye you were right' or 'thanks'.. and i'm also around since season 2.. so ive seen the game evolve pretty much as much as you

Randomonium2 votes

I think the mistake you are making is you are treating people like you know them when they are strangers. For example, let's say I'm not paying attention and I trip over a crack in the sidewalk and fall on my face. If one of my friends says "dude, what are you retarded? Watch where you're walking" my response would probably be "yeah you're right" or I'd make a joke back. If the same thing happened and a stranger came up to me and said the same thing I'd probably tell the guy to fuck off and mind his own business.

Its the same thing in league. You might mean well by saying "that was a noob mistake" but since you don't know the person you just come off sounding like a disrespectful ass. The dude knows it was a mistake, just like I knew I should watch where I'm going, and pointing it out doesn't do ANYTHING except piss the person off. There are different rules of courtesy and what is "acceptable" depending on how familiar you are with the person.

When dealing with strangers you need to develop a relationship with them, even a tiny one, before you can criticize them. This can easily be done in a game by saying "wp" or "gj" anytime someone gets a kill or ganks for you. If a teammate makes a mistake instead of making a negative comment try to put a positive spin on it. Don't sugar coat the truth or baby them, just be positive rather than negative. Saying something like "if we timed our ults better we would easily win that fight" works a million times better than "noobs use your ults." Once you get a little familiar with people then you can start making suggestions like "hey ADC you should get a QSS to deal with their Zed" or asking the jungler to peel more and that criticism will be much better received.

The psychology of getting people to work together in video games is very similar to the psychology of getting people to work together in the workplace. Just as everyone wants to win in the game, everyone wants to keep their job and get paid in the workplace. However, motivating people and changing behavior is incredibly difficult because in most cases you aren't friends with the people who work under you (or play with in league.) If you are super critical or rude to the people who work for you they will do the bare minimum to appease you (which is pretty much nothing in league) and overall productivity (or chance of winning in league) will go down because they will no longer be invested in the "team" mentality of the company (or the game.)

I think the point of all this is that you shouldn't say something just to say it, even if its right. Think about the goal behind your words and carefully consider if the words you are thinking will accomplish the goal that you want. In the words of the Buddha, "do not break the silence unless you can improve upon it." 99% of the time in the real world you can say the most correct thing in the world but if you do not say it in a way that resonates with the person you are talking to then they will ignore you or fail to truly comprehend the message.

Mikagura1 votes

Wow.. that actually makes more sense then I wanted to admit at first. I'm actually stunned and amazed.. And I agree with every single aspect.. i would be a complete loon if i didnt.

What i'm trying to say though is that not everyone who raises their voice (as a matter of speech) should be considered verbal abusive or negative even though it sounds like that. thats what i'm trying to say.. every person is unique and different and "out" (cant find the proper word atm) themselves in their own way. I can say GJ to you and a minute later if you missplay that it was a mistake, doesn't mean i'm offending you either. this happens to me too.. Just saying that a program like riot is using now can't tell the difference between good or bad.. It shouldnt matter if i act arrogant or act like a totall wuss.. words are meaningless, deeds on the other hand show everything.

This is probably to protect myself that i'm saying this but, i'm trying make ppl understand that not everything a 'flamer' says should be considered negative or toxic. And why permaban ppl from a F2P game? I can be a totall prick carrying game after game.. Do you actually think i should be removed from the game then? I think the solution to stop the toxic behaviour is not permabanning.. cuz a person that is bound to play LoL will just buy another account or lvl one up again. And he'll be in the scene anyway. its taking away the goodies..

  • take away the rights to buy any skins for an amount of time.
  • 10-20-50 and finally 1 year chatrestriction. and when i say chatrestriction i really mean no chat at all. It protects those who have the urge like me to speak. and after a year there should be improvement. if not, then i do agree on a permaban.
  • put them in low prior Q's
  • deny them ranked games for 1 week, 2 weeks, 3~~~

I'm just annoyed, i'll be honest here.. On my next report i'll mostlikely get permabanned cuz i've had the 14 day ban a while ago. And you and others might think that i deserve it, i'm 100% sure i don't. I'm also positive in bad situations i also get honored from both sides but sometimes it gets the better of me and i start to nag about a mistake especially if it's a player that makes mistakes one after another. I know i should look at my own game.. but with the evolvement of the game its pretty much GG if you end up 4v5.. unless the others really suck or missplay cuz of greed.

I really hope you somewhat understand my point of view..

Randomonium1 votes

I get what you are saying and I feel you. We've all had idiot teammates that piss us off.

Recently I had a game where I was a Jayce vs an Irelia (which is a bad match up for me.) The Irelia was beating me pretty hard and constantly pushing so our jungle Fiddlesticks came to gank. He pinged twice and hid in the river bush. I moved towards the river bush and started auto attacking Irelia to bait her. She fell for the bait and all inned me. I fought back expecting fiddle to pounce on her but he didn't do anything, not even auto attacks once, and so I died.

Pretty frustrating experience. Was the fiddle trolling me? Maybe. Or maybe he got distracted by something in real life and completely messed up the gank. Or course I was pissed and said "don't ping that you are going to gank if you're just going to hide in the bush." Do you think that helped matters? Absolutely not. He of course reacted defensively and talked about how long he's been jungling and how I should STFU (even though I'm a jungle main.)

What do you think the net result of that conversion was? I didn't get another gank for the rest of the game and we ended up losing badly. Was my criticism of fiddlesticks correct? Absolutely. Did it help my team win? Absolutely not. Just because something is correct doesn't mean it's the right thing to say.

League of legends is like a club. If you repeatedly break the rules of a club they kick you out of the club. League is no different. If you break the terms of use over and over again Riot is going to ban you. They explicitly say this in the terms of use that you agree to every time a new patch comes out. It may sound harsh but if you don't agree to the terms of use (which is a contract) then you should not agree to them and not play the game.

If I get pissed off at my team you know what I do? I yell at my computer screen (my wife probably thinks I'm crazy.) I keep my typing to a bare minimum because I've only got so much APM and I'd rather devote it to winning rather than saying something that will most likely be ignored. The only time I type is when I have a set goal in mind that requires me to type something to my team.

You've dug yourself into a hole by your past actions. Doesn't matter if you were right. Doesn't matter if you had the best intentions. All you can do is move forward and improve. I'd seriously recommend not saying ANYTHING for at least 100 games. Your account has been flagged too many times and you need to have a large stretch of games where you aren't reported to get the spotlight off you. Once you do that then play 100 games where you only say positive things (i.e. gj, wp, etc.) Only when you have hundreds of games with no reports should you try offering advice or criticism, and ONLY if there is a specific reason for it that will help you win the game.

EvilDustMan2 votes

No. Considering your views here, I highly doubt your criticism was constructive. Post a reform card if you wish to argue otherwise, but from what I see here, you surely deserved whatever you got.

Mikagura1 votes

I'm not having a conversation with a salty person like you anyway. the way you respond to this you're mostlikely one of those that i mentioned. If i had a reform card i would post it.. i have no problem with that.

nerak231 votes

How many times do you hear people calling out players for Not liking being insulted/ect. in game and then be accused of not having a backbone ?

Telling someone nicely what they might do to improve their game is one thing and this doesn't get punished. Being a Jerk and complaining all game does get punished sooner or later.

The people who feel the need to complain all game about others mistakes are the people with no Backbone, the crybaby's etc. The others that keep their cool during the game are the mature one's.

Mikagura1 votes

No one likes to be flamed at, neither do i. But i wont report a guy cuz he called me a noob or unskilled.. I'd rather report him for stupidity then for being toxic if it was possible :D. So in the end, unless he fed his ass of i wont even bother to care about a report.

Telling someone nicely or in an agressive way is the exact same for 95% of the ppl here. Cuz they simply do not accept advice from others.. I've experienced it so many times now. doesn't mean that you are different that you can speak for all of them. If you do accept it, i'm happy that you're a man..

If i see a mistake i'll tell it, end of story.. Just as much as i want others to tell me my mistakes or flaws if they can back it up ofc. i wont ramp on about it cuz that indeed is annoying him, the team and mostlikely my own gameplay. so i agree with you on that point.

nerak231 votes

But i wont report a guy cuz he called me a noob or unskilled.. I'd rather report him for stupidity then for being toxic if it was possible :D.

Neither do I, in fact it takes a hell of a lot for me to report someone in-game. Here is the thing though if you call 1 person a noob in one game Nothing is going to happen to you. It takes more then that. :)

Actually, having a report for stupidity that does nothing more then let a frustrated person get some of that out by hitting the report button--- then maybe it is a good ideal. I would be okay with that lol :) In fact..I would use that both in game and on here and I'd feel better haha

Mikagura1 votes

As i said above.. I'm a very kind and loving person irl, but when it comes to a competitive thing i'll go all the way even for a game. I never denied that i don't say stuff like "wtf r you doing" or "that build makes no sense at this point" or "wtf was that".. EVERYONE does it once in a while. and when the game goes bad at that moment ofc he gets annoyed.. and perhaps i shouldve just backed off.. but if i dont mention it and back it up with a response.. neither he nor the team will benefit from it. cuz in the end he'll keep doing it and it will eventually makes us lose. As i said also back it up with what should be done or what he should be getting. As it is a teamgame.. i feel like all input should be accepted.. doesnt mean that he should do it.. but atleast he knows alternatives.. 90% of the ppl that happen to be in this situation will report me aftwards.. thats a guarantee. :)

I AGREE and yes i am saying this I AGREE that those quotes i just made sound agressive.. but thats becuz i have no other way of explaing myself in english. Doesn't mean i'm flaming him, does it?

nerak231 votes

I AGREE and yes i am saying this I AGREE that those quotes i just made sound agressive.. but thats becuz i have no other way of explaing myself in english. Doesn't mean i'm flaming him, does it?

I wasn't meaning to imply your toxic or anything :) I was just stating an opinion.

In fact I got told once, "Get Better !!!" , I didn't say anything to them during the game and I didn't report them either. Instead I asked him to be friends and I asked for an explanation. Guess what, we talked for about 30 mins. after that game ( we are still friends) and it was one of the best pieces of advice I ever got. But, I agree some people may have gotten upset and hit report for saying only that. They would have missed a good friend and great advice, and a fun, nice partner to play with...but the 1st player would not have been punished for saying only that and I guess that is part of my point.

You never really know who wants advice and if your (anyone) is going to try to give some they should try to do so in a respectful way.

P.S. If I sound harsh then I suppose it's because of your OS sounds a bit harsh to me-- Not because I think your mean or toxic or w/e. I just disagree with some of it. K ;)

Mikagura2 votes

I do think according to the Riot-standards that i am toxic i guess :D. fairly disagree with it most of the time, but ye.. :P I do get salty aswell.. i'm still a human being after all :D would be really weird if i was always laughing O.o

I had similar situations :D. Actually one happened to be last week. He was salty, i was salty.. i added him.. flame flame flame from both sides, adrenaline rush from the last game was over and suddenly we laughed like friends that knew eachother for 50 years..

We both ended up wishing eachother gl in game and rl.. Toxicty in this game is also more a 'heat of the moment disrespect' it should be taken in consideration even if its bad. My rl's and i also flame eachother on ts for missplays but thats what keeps us going too.. :D we ignore eachother for a day and after that we just Q up again xD.

what does OS stand for? :D I know i sound harsh, but it doesnt mean i am.. i dunno why i sound like this either.. probably cuz im a sarcastic, dry humour, says what comes to mind-kind of person. ^^. But it's fine, we can both have our own arguments.. ppl will like yours, others will like mine.. thats life. And ofc you can disagree man.. would be akward if everyone started to agree.. i should be going for president then :D

4ManVotedAgainst1 votes

Rank/Elo-Systems attract the most elitist-minded classists/racists in all of existence...

catraven1 votes

{quoted}

Rank/Elo-Systems attract the most elitist-minded classists/racists in all of existence...

it's only because they're pandered to artificially.

nerak231 votes

what does OS stand for? :D

For me I just meant Opining Statement :) Not sure what to call it really.

Ranromonium, like the way you put things :P

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