What do players truly consider Toxic?

Og Biestro··2 votes·375 views

Riot the almighty has a very loose definition of Toxicity in my opinion. I just want to know what players believe is really a problem. I believe that riots definition of being toxic is being mean to other players. That's fine but in my opinion i don't care if some rando is being mean to me unless he's also playing like trash and losing us the game (but i'm still gonna report him cause i think it's funny that he could lose his account). I've noticed in my games, usually players only report each other when they lose, and the majority of toxicity comes from losses. So, is it the players actually crying out to Riot because they are sad/mad about what another player said to them or are they just trying to get him banned because they are salt that they lost the game and it's 2 simple clicks in the pregame lobby? I can understand banning people for running it down mid or typing constantly to the point that they are basically AFK but is calling someone a bad name really the end of the world?

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ModThe Djinn2 votes
  1. Truly hurt
  2. The more bans the merrier

Secret 3rd option: I'm not personally hurt or offended, but that player's behavior was inappropriate and made for a decidedly less enjoyable game experience.

Og Biestro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yf5etRy6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-24T14:57:12.370+0000)

Secret 3rd option: I'm not personally hurt or offended, but that player's behavior was inappropriate and made for a decidedly less enjoyable game experience.

No, just 2 options... If you're not personally hurt of offended then is it really worth getting them banned? Or are you just trying to get them banned as revenge? All i'm saying is that at the end of the day you're playing an online game with a bunch of kids and half the reports that happen are purely out of spite when nobody really cares and everyone forgets about it 2 minutes after they leave the post game lobby, but fortunately for everyone you can complain right after them game with 2 clicks and be on your way with your fingers crossed that they get banned for pretty much nothing

usul12021 votes

I think djinns third option would be a good addition to your poll. I personally am not insulted when people tell me kys or similar things, that doesn't mean I find them to be acceptable things to say. I'm not personally hurt, but I find that the community is improved if behavior like that is discouraged, so I report.

Og Biestro1 votes

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I think djinns third option would be a good addition to your poll. I personally am not insulted when people tell me kys or similar things, that doesn't mean I find them to be acceptable things to say. I'm not personally hurt, but I find that the community is improved if behavior like that is discouraged, so I report.

Community is what it is... every person I've known to get permaed still plays, it's not hard to get accounts, just a pain or 20 bucks, getting them banned isn't solving any problems. only a fool would think it has any impact... Look at tyler1's stream, that's leagues community like it or not

usul12021 votes

T1 is a perfect example. Accounts banned -> new account ->banned and back again. T1 wants to play the game though, so he keeps coming back. Now he's controlling his chat, and not feeding, playing as a member of the community, and no bans. Sure it took 20-something more accounts than riot would prefer, but very few people are willing to continually pay for new accounts or keep leveling them.

The system isn't perfect, but it has its merits.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Og Biestro,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yf5etRy6,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-24T15:15:01.358+0000)...then is it really worth getting them banned?

Yes, because it's disruptive, often intentionally antagonistic behavior, which goes against the good sportsmanship Riot wants to encourage and makes my League experience (and the experience of others) less enjoyable. The League community is improved when that sort of behavior is absent.

That doesn't mean i enjoy having bans go out or am personally offended. I'd frankly rather everyone take the first chat restriction as a warning and improve their behavior. :)

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

"made for a decidedly less enjoyable game experience." - Then why is the case only with flaming? I mean, there are a lot of players who make the game experience shit for his teammates, but get no punishment for what they do. Why is flaming more severely punished than any other kind of "bad behaviour"? I just cant find the logic there, if this is the reason.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}Then why is the case only with flaming?

It isn't. Trolling and intentionally feeding are also not permissible and are punishable. The difference is that a lot of players have a bit of trouble telling the difference between someone having a bad day and someone intentionally feeding, or someone not agreeing with their call and someone intentionally throwing.

Additionally, players have a right to play and experiment and have fun as long as they're trying to win. So that Ziggs jungle may not be a troll, but just some guy experimenting with a build to see if it works at all. There are shades of grey in all of this, and those shades are harder to distinguish than the shades of grey in player behavior, which is why players are often frustrated that they see what they perceive to be less action against "trolls."

Trolling and feeding (intentionally), when accurately identified, are actually are punished MORE aggressively than all but the worst flaming -- an immediate 14-day ban.

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

It is. This is a fact. Everybody can see, that the majority of punishments are handed out to flamers, while flamers usually flame trolls, and assuming that the enemy team wont flame the troll, and the troll wont flame himself, there should be an approx. 4:1 ratio on flame and troll punishments. Lets say players tend to see trolling, when there is no trolling, make this ratio 20:1. I'm totally sure, that the real ratio between these 2 kind of punishments is totally different (I mean more for flaming). But nvm, this doesn't really matter.

Experimenting in ranked should be punished. If you want to try out nunu adc, go and try nunu adc, IN NORMAL. When you are confident enough to not totally suck with it, go to ranked idc. But a ranked player who has never played jungle goes ziggs jungle bc why not, is not really an useful teammate. And going back to your point: "decidedly less enjoyable game experience" - Do you think an experimenting useless jungle doesn't affect your game experience? Or the adc, who starts buying tank items and inevitably throws your game? Or the toplaner who mindlessly pushes whole game and dies 15 times in 25 min, with almost 0 kill participation? These all ruin the game experience for both teams. So if your idea that we should punish players bc they ruin the game experience should be used on these kind of players too, don't you think?

So lets be honest with each other, we both know that Rito does almost nothing with trolls/inters. (Just for testing this, I have another account where I troll almost every 2nd or 3rd ranked game, just to see when does it get banned? The acc is still not banned (not even a warning) for like 2 years. So yeah, tell me trolls are punished too xD

BTW I am not saying that anybody who goes 0-15 in 25 minutes bc he had a brainfreeze for some random reason should get banned (same with ppl who spam "kys"), you don't know what happened to them, maybe they are just too frustrated, but didn't see this before they started a game. Why cant you just ban them from PvP games temporarly? You sucked in ranked and ruined the game for 9 players? --> Go win some PvE until you l2p or chill. You got a brainfck and flamed like a moron whole game bc the jungler fed your lane? --> Go play some PvE until you chill and can focus again. Actually when players get tilted, they tend to flame or troll, so why cant you just close them on a playground where they can chill? And OFC, if this happens regularly, you can still go for perma, but this shouldn't be that easy.

And one more thing I would like to point out: The flaming problem is SOLVED with the mute button. Yet players have no way to deal with trolls/inters.

y0r1ck2 votes

Good points I like the suggestions too. To add onto it, flaming, trolling, and hate speech should be looked at in a wider context than they currently are.

sleepysithlord1 votes

The only thing that can make the game a less enjoyable experience imo is somebody playing poorly in a ranked game. By this I mean being lazy on vision, afking under tower until minions spwan instead of watching for invades, and playing a champion that they havent truly practiced in ranked. As far as the poll goes I report everyone all the time just becasue I assume I'm getting reported by everyone all the time

Telephone Booth1 votes

Neither. I report because I have to follow the rules. If I have the willpower to stfu in the face of horrible teammates, berating insults, and trolling... then you do too. Why do I have to be quiet, while you get to say whatever the fuck you want? No. You're getting reported. If I have to follow the rules, so do you. If I have the ability to not type insults to a stranger, so do you. You don't get a free pass. That's why I report.

Og Biestro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yf5etRy6,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-25T00:09:34.234+0000)

Neither. I report because I have to follow the rules. If I have the willpower to stfu in the face of horrible teammates, berating insults, and trolling... then you do too. Why do I have to be quiet, while you get to say whatever the fuck you want? No. You're getting reported. If I have to follow the rules, so do you. If I have the ability to not type insults to a stranger, so do you. You don't get a free pass. That's why I report.

Rules are rules i guess but if your not cheating and you're playing the game at the best of your abilities then i don't really think you should be punished like riot punishes. they only punish for flaming and imo that's the last thing that people are actually worried about

Telephone Booth1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Og Biestro,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yf5etRy6,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-01-25T10:15:05.401+0000)

Rules are rules i guess but if your not cheating and you're playing the game at the best of your abilities then i don't really think you should be punished like riot punishes. they only punish for flaming and imo that's the last thing that people are actually worried about

I agree. People should be able to tell eachother whatever they want. But that's just not the case here. So if I get banned for being toxic, why should you get to be toxic? I'm just saying, that's why I report.

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